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    I give them a 6. I don't like the AA woman that can't judge. she is going to hang the jury unless they can somehow get rid of her during deliberations and get another alternate in.

    Also, there were several against the DP so I have to lower the rating. I do not believe the Prosecution will get a DP ruling out of this jury. I am also shocked that the judge calls this a DP qualified jury. In Calif they would have to be willing to vote the DP or they wouldn't get on the jury. He let any ol person on if he could bully them into saying they would consider it. The AA woman never said she could consider it and he still put her on.


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    I will hold off on giving a final number as I am still studying the pro and cons but here is my initial impressions:

    From what I have heard, jurors in favor of the DP are more likely to produce a guilty verdict and I don't see a lot of stong DP supporters in thios group.

    As to the make-up of them I feel good that there is 7 women in the 1st 12 seats and 2 as alternates which I think this is good for the state. However half of all the jurors have no children which may favor the defense.

    I did like 1340 & 3281 sorry they are gone as they were 2 of the stronger personalities which would less likely to be swayed by others.

    And lastly....It does seem the DT was a little loose in giving so many strikes so early in the process. I feel the SA maybe happier tonight than the DT.


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    I would give the jury a 7.

    The only person that worries me that this point is the woman who says she can't judge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meemom View Post
    ITA- The non judging lady really worries me. They did try to strike her twice and JB threw in the race card, and because SA didn't quote hung jury as an initial cause, HHJP declined to strike her. I am hoping that she will seek guidance from her pastor this weekend, and either decide it's ok to make a judgement from the evidence or somehow get herself off the jury and an alternate gets on. If that happens, I think I could take it up to a 10. JMO
    She worried me in the beginning too but the more I think about it might not be so bad. HHJP seemed to sway her rather easlily, I think if she stays she may just follow the majority in the guilt phase. Not so in the sentancing phase but I then again I don't see a lot of them as strongly favoring the DP from their statements so that may be a stretch anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cher352 View Post
    She worried me in the beginning too but the more I think about it might not be so bad. HHJP seemed to sway her rather easlily, I think if she stays she may just follow the majority in the guilt phase. Not so in the sentancing phase but I then again I don't see a lot of them as strongly favoring the DP from their statements so that may be a stretch anyway.
    she'll sway. not sure about him. he may not need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    Leila - in the guilt phase, the vote must be unanimous. In the penalty phase, majority... but I think the judge has the final say on the penalty.
    Thanks! I thought it was unanimous for guilt, but not sure as laws differ from state to state.

    I'm confident that with the evidence we've seen, although circumstantial, she will be found guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crucibelle View Post
    Leila - in the guilt phase, the vote must be unanimous. In the penalty phase, majority... but I think the judge has the final say on the penalty.
    The judge does, but he cannot "up" the penaty but if they come back with a death penalty he can bring it down to LWOP.
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    A solid 7 and a half .


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Neither of these two jurors worry me that much, and here is why.

    Baez's angle is to get as many minority jurors as possible because one of his major strategies is that LE rushed to judgement, lied, and railroaded her.

    If Casey was black or Latino, or even white, but poor and trod upon, then that strategy might work with these 2 jurors. They might buy it. I am sure they both have been treated rudely by cops or security because of their skin color. Sadly, it still happens. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THAT CASEY WAS TREATED UNFAIRLY. Quite the opposite. If a black suspect told the whopping lies that Casey did and had a missing child for a month they would have been arrested immediately, and these 2 jurors KNOW THAT.
    They will reject that part of Baez's strategy, imo.

    Also, they both say they are anti-DP. And if you noticed, it seemed that all of the African American PT's were strongly anti-DP. I understand because blacks are way more likely to get DP than other races, especially whites. So they generally object to it because it is being used unfairly if you look at the overall statistics. That being said, this is not a young black gang member caught up in the hood, doing a drive by and up for the DP. These 2 would not vote for that because of the racial inequities behind that whole situation.

    BUT THIS CASE---they will HATE ICA. She will get no compassion from them, even though they are passionate about the overuse of the Death Penalty. She is the opposite of what they are fighting against. They will see a young, white attractive, middle class girl with 2 parents and a nice home in a safe suburb, and she drops out of school, doesn't work, lies and steals from her family. AND FROM HER GRANDPARENTS. These two jurors will HATE THAT SHE STOLE FROM HER INVALID GRANDFATHER TO PAY HER CELL PHONE.

    And the DT is never going to convince these 2 that her home life was horribly abusive and frightening. No way.
    They will have seen far worse family situations in their wider communities, and will have no sympathy for a PTSD theory.

    These 2 jurors are religious and have conservative family values. Casey spits in the face of what they stand for. Once they get a load of how she speaks to her family, and how she disrespects her elders and steals from them all---I predict they will be easily swayed to give her a huge punishment.

    I don't care if she ends up with DP or not, I want her put away forever. And these 2 jurors may lead the charge. I am serious. The DT is going to be sorry
    in the end, imo/
    You bring up some valid points. The DT cannot portray KC as a victim of society..........she's not from a minority and she's not from a poor family. She had all the advantages of an average middle class family and chose to steal, lie, and not work.

    Every single member of the jury that has had to work to get where they are today is going to resent KC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GutFeeling! View Post
    The judge does, but he cannot "up" the penaty but if they come back with a death penalty he can bring it down to LWOP.
    Gut, in Florida this is different.

    From this link:

    https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...3f89428d759e92

    "Florida's death penalty statute is unique in that it allows trial judges to reject juries' sentencing "recommendations" of life imprisonment."

    So conceivably, the jury panel in this case could recommend LWOP and the judge could sentence death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathyn2 View Post
    I give them a 6. I don't like the AA woman that can't judge. she is going to hang the jury unless they can somehow get rid of her during deliberations and get another alternate in.

    Also, there were several against the DP so I have to lower the rating. I do not believe the Prosecution will get a DP ruling out of this jury. I am also shocked that the judge calls this a DP qualified jury. In Calif they would have to be willing to vote the DP or they wouldn't get on the jury. He let any ol person on if he could bully them into saying they would consider it. The AA woman never said she could consider it and he still put her on.
    I may be wrong, but the perception I got from this woman was that she cannot judge someone on rumor, or gossip, without knowing the facts, without knowing more than just conjecture.

    Like I said I may be totally off base, but I hold the same sentiments as this woman from what I know thus far... I do not judge anyone based upon what I hear from a rumor, or gossip, or onesided comments. That is how I perceived her responses. Hopefully I am not made to be proven wrong...but there is always that chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    Gut, in Florida this is different.

    From this link:

    https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...3f89428d759e92

    "Florida's death penalty statute is unique in that it allows trial judges to reject juries' sentencing "recommendations" of life imprisonment."

    So conceivably, the jury panel in this case could recommend LWOP and the judge could sentence death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamom View Post
    Listen to the juror who said she could not judge again. I did and it made me feel more comfortable with her. I think she will convict. But I don't think we will get a DP vote from her.
    That's a good point -- I will listen again.

    As long as she "convicts", it will not matter to me whether ICA gets LWOP or DP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrs0806 View Post
    SA tried to use a strike TWICE on this Juror and DT Objectived and said it was Racial Basis and JP would not let them strike her.
    Yes, I remember that, but I was hoping there was some kind of "loophole" in the laws that would still allow the SA to strike her. It just makes me "very nervous" when someone says they can't judge other people and they are sitting on a jury because "ultimately" you are judging people and evidence.


    I guess we can "thank" JB and his "shenanigans" for bringing up "racial" issues -- which has absolutely NOTHING to do with "Justice for Caylee" !


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Neither of these two jurors worry me that much, and here is why.

    Baez's angle is to get as many minority jurors as possible because one of his major strategies is that LE rushed to judgement, lied, and railroaded her.

    If Casey was black or Latino, or even white, but poor and trod upon, then that strategy might work with these 2 jurors. They might buy it. I am sure they both have been treated rudely by cops or security because of their skin color. Sadly, it still happens. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THAT CASEY WAS TREATED UNFAIRLY. Quite the opposite. If a black suspect told the whopping lies that Casey did and had a missing child for a month they would have been arrested immediately, and these 2 jurors KNOW THAT.
    They will reject that part of Baez's strategy, imo.

    Also, they both say they are anti-DP. And if you noticed, it seemed that all of the African American PT's were strongly anti-DP. I understand because blacks are way more likely to get DP than other races, especially whites. So they generally object to it because it is being used unfairly if you look at the overall statistics. That being said, this is not a young black gang member caught up in the hood, doing a drive by and up for the DP. These 2 would not vote for that because of the racial inequities behind that whole situation.

    BUT THIS CASE---they will HATE ICA. She will get no compassion from them, even though they are passionate about the overuse of the Death Penalty. She is the opposite of what they are fighting against. They will see a young, white attractive, middle class girl with 2 parents and a nice home in a safe suburb, and she drops out of school, doesn't work, lies and steals from her family. AND FROM HER GRANDPARENTS. These two jurors will HATE THAT SHE STOLE FROM HER INVALID GRANDFATHER TO PAY HER CELL PHONE.

    And the DT is never going to convince these 2 that her home life was horribly abusive and frightening. No way.
    They will have seen far worse family situations in their wider communities, and will have no sympathy for a PTSD theory.

    These 2 jurors are religious and have conservative family values. Casey spits in the face of what they stand for. Once they get a load of how she speaks to her family, and how she disrespects her elders and steals from them all---I predict they will be easily swayed to give her a huge punishment.

    I don't care if she ends up with DP or not, I want her put away forever. And these 2 jurors may lead the charge. I am serious. The DT is going to be sorry
    in the end, imo/
    katydid,

    These are some great points ! And I hope you are correct !!!


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