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    A Closer Look at John Fernie

    PMPT pb, pg 44:

    "At 6:00 A.M. the telephone awakened Cliff Gaston. It was Patsy Ramsey. Priscilla took the call, and within minutes the White's were dressed and on their way to the Ramsey's house. When they arrived, the police and John Fernie were already there."

    By car the Whites live 2 minutes away from the Ramseys.

    By car the Fernies live 23 minutes away from the Ramseys.

    Patsy had called 911 at 5:52 A.M. She then immediately called the Fernies and the Whites in that order.

    John Fernie, a developer, lives at the Shanahan Ridge development on Table Mesa, below the foothills. How did John Fernie, after taking the call from Patsy, manage to get dressed, drive to the Ramsey house, and get there before Fleet White?

    Was John Fernie already on the road when Patsy called him? Had he taken the call by cell phone? And if so, WHY was he on the road so early in the morning on the day after Christmas. Had he already been to the Ramsey house earlier that morning -- perhaps to retrieve Little Luke from the disaster unfolding at the Ramseys house and take him home, and was on his way back to the Ramsey's when the call from Patsy came in notifying him she had called the cops and it was okay for him to return? Or was he already on the road for some other reason?

    (Those missing cell phone records for the month of December would have likely told one helluva interesting story.)

    JMO

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    BC, I see where you're coming from with this, buuuuut (you knew that was coming) have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps Patsy had quite a conversation with Barbara? Maybe Barbara took the call then tried to get Patsy to tell her what had her so upset and calm her down while her husband got dressed and left.
    You can't soley rely on PMPT for time schedules, it has a lot of innacuracies.

    I know if my friend called me early in the morning the day I knew they were suppose to leave town sounding really upset I'd try to talk to her and find out what was going on. I'd probably try to get her to calm down as well...that could take some time, like 20 or 30 minutes depending on the circumstances.

    I've never seen any documentation on how far apart the calls to the Fernies and the Whites were placed.

    And didn't I read somewhere that Patsy actually dialled 911 twice that morning? Funny we keep hearing about only 1 of those calls being placed at 5:52 AM. When was the other call placed? Anyone know?
    How far apart (timewise) between the 2 911 calls and then weren't the Fernies and Whites called after those 2 calls?
    Again, no timeline to show when each call was placed, or the duration of each call.

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    Anyone have a link to the LKL transcript wherein John Ramsey apparently goofs and says there was a lot of frenzied activity going on in the house at 2 a.m.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker

    I've never seen any documentation on how far apart the calls to the Fernies and the Whites were placed.

    And didn't I read somewhere that Patsy actually dialled 911 twice that morning?

    Seeker,

    The 911 call from Patsy (there was only one 911 call) was placed at 5:52 A.M. She called the Whites at 6:00 A.M. AFTER calling the Fernies. So the 911 call, and the call to the Fernies, and the call to the Whites, all took place within that 8-minute time span.

    The question is : How did John Fernie beat Fleet White to the Ramsey's house when the Whites lived just two minutes away and the Fernies lived 23 minutes away?

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    PMPT pb, pg 44:

    By car the Fernies live 23 minutes away from the Ramseys.
    That is not right at all.



    According to Yahoo maps (which I have found to be increasingly more accurate than Mapquest), the Fernies and the Ramseys were only separated by 3.6 miles and ten minutes of driving time, and probably a lot less time on an early December morning with a highly-motivated driver.
    "That is my theory, it is mine, and belongs to me and I own it, and what it is too." -- Anne Elk

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    Seeker,

    The 911 call from Patsy (there was only one 911 call) was placed at 5:52 A.M. She called the Whites at 6:00 A.M. AFTER calling the Fernies. So the 911 call, and the call to the Fernies, and the call to the Whites, all took place within that 8-minute time span.

    The question is : How did John Fernie beat Fleet White to the Ramsey's house when the Whites lived just two minutes away and the Fernies lived 23 minutes away?

    JMO
    BC I already said there is no real documentation of when the calls were placed. You're relying on Schiller's book...it's not accurate.

    I remember there were 2 calls placed (I think this was mentioned in a deposition, but cannot recall who's it was). The first where Patsy calls, says "Oh my God" hangs up and then calls right back. I know I read this, even commented on it at the time. I will try to find it.


    Thanks for the map why_nutt, I didn't think there was either.

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    bluecrab ....
    will the day ever come when you'll reveal just how you know all you know ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    Anyone have a link to the LKL transcript wherein John Ramsey apparently goofs and says there was a lot of frenzied activity going on in the house at 2 a.m.?
    Here you go Ivy.

    J. RAMSEY: Well, I don't know. There were a lot of people there at 3:00 in the morning.

    The rest can be found here.

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    Question BlueCrab

    Where did get the info that Fernies lived 23 miles away?

    This is important to your credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TressaRing28
    Where did get the info that Fernies lived 23 miles away?

    This is important to your credibility.
    Tressa, I think he said 23 minutes, not miles...


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    I still don't understand the Ramsey's decision to invite ANYONE other than the police, over that morning. I mean - they didn't give any more thought to inviting scores of friends over than they did the police! They called them all at the same time. Particularly when that note told them that if they did - they would KILL their daughter!

    Why the friends???
    This post is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by why_nutt
    ... the Fernies and the Ramseys were only separated by 3.6 miles and ten minutes of driving time, and probably a lot less time on an early December morning with a highly-motivated driver.

    why_nut,

    Yes, 10 minutes would be close to the amount of time needed to drive 3.6 miles in a town under normal circumstances. But this was in Boulder, it was December 26, the temperatures were around 9 degrees, and a light dusting of snow had just fallen. The roads would have been slippery.

    The 23-minute estimate was given to me by a local person in Boulder, and he was apparently referring to that night -- December 26, 1996.

    As you know, Boulder sits on the side of a mountain and the roads and properties are sculptured into the mountain. It would have been highly dangerous to have driven fast that morning -- and in fact those kinds of conditions would normally call for cars to creep. I don't know if the 23-minute estimate is accurate, but I think it was probably close -- and certainly more than 10 minutes.

    JMO

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    I seriously doubt that BC! How far is the Police Dept from the Ramsey's and what time did officer French arrive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker
    I seriously doubt that BC! How far is the Police Dept from the Ramsey's and what time did officer French arrive?

    Seeker,

    It took Officer French, the first on the scene, eight minutes to get to the Ramsey house. That's slow for a small town.

    JMO

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    You didn't answer the whole question BC, how far was the PD from the Ramsey's home?

    If it's farther than 3.6 miles then it surely would have taken longer than 23 minutes as you estimated for John Fernie to get there.

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