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    The "Hwy of Tears" tag is a great attention grabber but my guess it that this has nothing to do with hitchikers who have disappeared along the highway. When a young woman goes missing late at night after a gathering of other young people, the perp is almost always a young male who attened the gathering and was aware that the young woman was alone and vulnerable. The motive would be sexual.

    It is not clear whether she was the only party-goer who remained at the lake or just the only party-goer who camped at that particular spot. (I got the impression that the party was near where she camped) Does anyone know? Also, does anyone know if there was anyone else camped at the lake while the party was going on?

    May 27th is early for camping up there but not fishing. It is possible that an early morning fisherman saw her taking down her tent. Had anyone just seen her tent, then would not suspect that only a young woman was there; unless they recognized the truck.

    From what I can tell, Hogsback Lake is off the beaten track with no particular attractions. It seems like the kind of place only locals would go to or even know about. Whether it was one of the party-goers or a someone else who just happened to be at the lake that morning, was was almost certainly a local, and in such a small town, there are not that many possible suspects. (10,000 in the greater metro area).

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    http://hqprincegeorge.com/home/news/...derhoof-Family

    CBS Documentary Brings Hope to Vanderhoof Family

    'From that show I would like to clarify that there is not connection between Maddy's disappearance and the Highway of Tears," says Kelly, "the story also pointed to Fribjon Bjornson as being in a relationship with Maddy and being involved in her disappearance. I also want to clarify that he was not responsible for her disappearance or involved with Maddy when she went missing."
    Any man's death diminishes me,
    Because I am involved in mankind,
    Therefore, send not to know, for whom the bell tolls;
    It tolls for thee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    The "Hwy of Tears" tag is a great attention grabber but my guess it that this has nothing to do with hitchikers who have disappeared along the highway. When a young woman goes missing late at night after a gathering of other young people, the perp is almost always a young male who attened the gathering and was aware that the young woman was alone and vulnerable. The motive would be sexual.

    It is not clear whether she was the only party-goer who remained at the lake or just the only party-goer who camped at that particular spot. (I got the impression that the party was near where she camped) Does anyone know? Also, does anyone know if there was anyone else camped at the lake while the party was going on?

    May 27th is early for camping up there but not fishing. It is possible that an early morning fisherman saw her taking down her tent. Had anyone just seen her tent, then would not suspect that only a young woman was there; unless they recognized the truck. Madison was camping alone and everyone else had gone home.

    From what I can tell, Hogsback Lake is off the beaten track with no particular attractions. It seems like the kind of place only locals would go to or even know about. Whether it was one of the party-goers or a someone else who just happened to be at the lake that morning, was was almost certainly a local, and in such a small town, there are not that many possible suspects. (10,000 in the greater metro area).
    She thought that other`s were camping out, and a girlfriend promised to camp with her, but didn`t.

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    Cell phones might be the key.

    I am convinced that this was not a random crime by some highway drifter but rather a crime committed by someone who knew she might end up alone at the tent that night. There were friends but also people at the party that that were unknown to the core group of friends that organized the party.

    I believe that the key to solving this case might lay in simply analyzing the cell phone pings from that evening, not only looking at Madison's iPhone 4 traffic but also by taking a good look at *all* of the cell phones pinging off the towers that evening around Hogback lake as well as the small town from which most came. I would also look at cell phones that drifted back in town sometime after 2:50am when the last two brothers left her alone.

    It was mentioned on the show that the coverage was "spotty" but not that it was none existent. More than likely, each and every one of those people had a cell phone on their person that night. Unless they are a diabolical sober killer, they would not think to yank their cell phone battery as they headed back to the campsite to abduct her. More than likely they were drinking with the crowd and hopefully made a mistake due to their drunkenness.

    What might stand out like a sore thumb is seeing a cell phone ping off the tower, move toward their home town, then seeing it head South again back near Hogsback lake. This would especially be true of those that left in groups to head back home around 2:15am when a group of 6-8 left at the same time. This would allow them to establish an alibi then head back to commit the crime unnoticed. They would certainly know that an investigation would follow and they have their friends to back up their story, to a point. Their cell phone might tell a different story.

    I am not sure how the Canadians deal with their court systems and subpoenas for cell phone records but I sincerely believe that this is a solvable crime.

    As for the rings outside of the tent, my first thought it that someone was attempting to cuff her with either real cuffs or zip ties and she struggles to get free from them right outside of the tent, trying to face her assailant.

    I am afraid they have another serial killer in their midst and I hope they find him sooner than later.

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    Just a few thoughts after watching the 48 Hours episode last night. This is not meant to mean that Maddy's friend that left her at the lake that night has any knowledge of what happened to her, but she bothered me. The way she spoke about people blaming her for leaving Maddy that night, I didn't see any guilt from her about leaving, nor any sense of "if I had stayed maybe I would be missing too". Also, she said she went back the next morning and her tent was trampled, her rings scattered and no sign of Maddy, but I guess she didn't notify anyone? No call to Maddy's parents obviously, since they went out tothe lake on their own on Sunday based on the fact that they had not heard from her. Idk, she just didn't react the way I would have expected in that interview, but I guess everyone is different.
    Beyond that, I feel like this had something to do with the party....someone knew she was staying alone and either hid out and waited or came back. I think it may have been a rape that turned into a murder, and it's someone that was at that party that night.
    Was the birthday party for her bf that was murdered shortly thereafter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdawk20 View Post
    Just a few thoughts after watching the 48 Hours episode last night. This is not meant to mean that Maddy's friend that left her at the lake that night has any knowledge of what happened to her, but she bothered me. The way she spoke about people blaming her for leaving Maddy that night, I didn't see any guilt from her about leaving, nor any sense of "if I had stayed maybe I would be missing too". Also, she said she went back the next morning and her tent was trampled, her rings scattered and no sign of Maddy, but I guess she didn't notify anyone? No call to Maddy's parents obviously, since they went out tothe lake on their own on Sunday based on the fact that they had not heard from her. Idk, she just didn't react the way I would have expected in that interview, but I guess everyone is different.
    Beyond that, I feel like this had something to do with the party....someone knew she was staying alone and either hid out and waited or came back. I think it may have been a rape that turned into a murder, and it's someone that was at that party that night.
    Was the birthday party for her bf that was murdered shortly thereafter?
    I know she was ruled out but her demeanour bothered me also. She was so nonchalant about the whole thing. They were best friends!

    I don't think it was a birthday party for the bf. The best friend apparently posted she wanted to party or something like that and everyone decided to go including Madison. She admitted to not knowing some of the people who showed up.
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    Considering what happened to the bf, my immediate thought about the rings is someone told her to remove them so if her remains were found, it would take longer to identify . Having the rings on, she would be immediately identifiable.

    IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by hsmith_mi View Post
    I am convinced that this was not a random crime by some highway drifter but rather a crime committed by someone who knew she might end up alone at the tent that night. There were friends but also people at the party that that were unknown to the core group of friends that organized the party.

    I believe that the key to solving this case might lay in simply analyzing the cell phone pings from that evening, not only looking at Madison's iPhone 4 traffic but also by taking a good look at *all* of the cell phones pinging off the towers that evening around Hogback lake as well as the small town from which most came. I would also look at cell phones that drifted back in town sometime after 2:50am when the last two brothers left her alone.

    It was mentioned on the show that the coverage was "spotty" but not that it was none existent. More than likely, each and every one of those people had a cell phone on their person that night. Unless they are a diabolical sober killer, they would not think to yank their cell phone battery as they headed back to the campsite to abduct her. More than likely they were drinking with the crowd and hopefully made a mistake due to their drunkenness.

    What might stand out like a sore thumb is seeing a cell phone ping off the tower, move toward their home town, then seeing it head South again back near Hogsback lake. This would especially be true of those that left in groups to head back home around 2:15am when a group of 6-8 left at the same time. This would allow them to establish an alibi then head back to commit the crime unnoticed. They would certainly know that an investigation would follow and they have their friends to back up their story, to a point. Their cell phone might tell a different story.

    I am not sure how the Canadians deal with their court systems and subpoenas for cell phone records but I sincerely believe that this is a solvable crime.

    As for the rings outside of the tent, my first thought it that someone was attempting to cuff her with either real cuffs or zip ties and she struggles to get free from them right outside of the tent, trying to face her assailant.

    I am afraid they have another serial killer in their midst and I hope they find him sooner than later.
    Did Madison have a cell phone? I don't remember if they mentioned that on the show.

    I think they need to reinterview everyone who was at that party. Furthermore, I wish they would confirm if the bf was there.

    Passing a polygraph doesn't make one innocent. IMO
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    Did Madison have a cell phone? I don't remember if they mentioned that on the show.
    It is on the web page her parents established:

    Help Find Madison Scott

    Missing were a large ring of keys that had her Ford truck key and her iPhone 4. The rest of her belongings here in the locked truck, including her purse.

    This was posted on the associated FB page after the show:

    Karen Baker:

    I am so sad and upset right now I can barely write this. Haven't we suffered enough? Hasn't Fribjon suffered enough? He was not in a relationship with Maddy. He was not "bad" news and did NOT have a drug debt as Jordanne Bolduc so slanderously states. Fribjon is not here to defend himself so I will do it for him. He was caring and giving. His murder and Maddy's disappearance are not connected. Fribjon did take a polygraph and DNA test to prove his innocence. Why? I'm not sure considering he was someplace else with other people the night Maddy disappeared. He was sad and upset that Maddy was missing just as we were. Vanderhoof is a small town and it was unbelievable to us that one of our children can just disappear as Maddy did or be murdered like Loren. When our own Fribjon went missing and then when we found him murdered, our world crashed. The horrible rumours that were spread and the gossip by people who don't know us is devastating. Anyone who knows us or who had the fortune to know Fribjon would realize how riduculous these rumours are. 48 Hours needs to get their facts straight. Fribjon was a kind, loving person. He does not deserve the way he was portrayed. He was a victim. He did not bring this upon himself.

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    So is the friend lying that Maddy and Fribjon were in a relationship? The family also posted that Maddy and Fribojon were not in a relationship so why would the friend lie about that?

    I don't know about anyone else but I didn't think Fribjon was involved but I would definitely look at his entourage. Nothing wrong with interviewing these people (if they can be found, of course)
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    Well let's hope the RCMP were able to ping her Iphone4! Good grief. Wouldn't that be one of the first things they should have done?
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    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor...-20120701.html

    This is a pretty good overview of the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor...-20120701.html

    This is a pretty good overview of the situation.
    Thanks for that very good( and longish) article!

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    It doesn't take but a few Google hits to find out that something is very much amiss in Northern B.C. Americans have this image of Canada as a place relatively free of crime and racial tensions. Large cities Like Toronto have less crime (and fewer minorities) than similarly large cities in the US, but there are rural areas with very serious crime problems. Northern B.C. is one of them.

    Prince George, 100 miles from Vanderhoof, is considered the "Most Dangerous City in Canada" but it isn't that different from other cities along Hwy 16, the so called "Hwy of tears" This area has a significantly high rate of property crimes and crimes of violence, including murders, but really sets it apart from other parts of the country is the high rate of unsolved murders and "disappearances".

    Locals dismiss the problems as "drug related" and the criminals as members of "drug gangs". From what I can tell, It is less a matter of organized gang and more a matter of a lot of low life types with a propensity for violence involved in the buying and selling of drugs. And, people are very much afraid and do not want to get n the wrong side of these people.

    Did anyone else who saw 48 Hours have some doubts about Madison's "best friend" when she claimed that a lot of "strangers" showed up at the party and she had "no idea" who they were? This is a community of less than 10,000 people and Hogsback lake was THE party spot. She had a pretty good idea who these people were and where they were from, but she wasn't going to be accused of "ratting" anyone out.

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