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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyglass View Post
    Thanks for this timeline.

    During the trial, we've re-watched the jail visit where GA said he would do anything to help her and would trade places with her in a heartbeat if he could(paraphrased). Casey (and DT) may well have seen this as an opportunity.

    I felt George was slow to answer "no" to the prosecution question of whether he had sexually abused the defendant Where was the "no, never" or "I have never abused my daughter in any way." I guess we'll get a clearer picture during the defense portion whether GA is going to clearly deny the accusations OR weakly deny the accusations to plant a little doubt.
    I agree George has never denied the allegations forcefully. And I'm sure the defense team will take advantage of that. They will also attempt to bring out every skeleton in George Anthony's extensive cupboard. They will not only try to paint him as an abuser but as a liar and a low life who had an affair when his grandchild was missing. River Cruz will be used to show that George was participating in a charade when driving his billboard around. The accident that snowballed out of control statement conveniently ties in with their defense theory. George visiting LE and not wanting his family to know will be twisted accordingly.

    Constrained somewhat by the hearsay rules, I don't know how much they can malign George during their case in chief, but no doubt he is in for a mauling by Baez. Hopefully, George's lawyer can prepare him for the onslaught. It's going to be as savage as Judge Perry and the law allows.

    PS I fully believe Cheney Mason helped big time to shape this defense strategy, but I doubt he will do any of the direct examination of George himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyglass View Post
    Thanks for this timeline.

    During the trial, we've re-watched the jail visit where GA said he would do anything to help her and would trade places with her in a heartbeat if he could(paraphrased). Casey (and DT) may well have seen this as an opportunity.

    I felt George was slow to answer "no" to the prosecution question of whether he had sexually abused the defendant Where was the "no, never" or "I have never abused my daughter in any way." I guess we'll get a clearer picture during the defense portion whether GA is going to clearly deny the accusations OR weakly deny the accusations to plant a little doubt.

    I think when GA answered "no" to the prosecution's question of sexual abuse it was slow because it showed him to be very sad and broken over what I believe to be one more "lie" by KC and the DT. Remember Bill Clinton once replied in a very forceful," I never had sexual relations with that woman"" and we know how that turned out. I believe GA was sad and broken, fully realizing now the full extent of the evil that is KC.

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    When Baez did his opening statement he said "there has to be some REASON she is like this!" (then he went on to describe molestation by George and in a more mild form, by Lee). Baez may have gotten the incest idea from here or any of the other discussion groups where "there must be some reason why she is like this" was often a topic.

    From the onset I have been an observer who has been quite convinced that there was indeed a "reason" for KC's pathology and logic dictates that it is sexual abuse. HOWEVER, Here is how it is playing: I've watched the trial every day and now I've switched sides to be in the "I-don't-care-what-happened-to-her-there-is-no-excuse-for-killing-Caylee camp"! I have been a KC sympathizer to a certain degree, but I have been turned around 100% to join the "other side".

    Baez is attacking everyone on the stand. Why does he feel he has to do this if the drowning scenario is true? This, together with the cold uncaring demeanor of his client has "unsold" me on incest.

    Baez got his ideas from a couple of places. Discussion groups and possibly the OJ Simpson trial, where the defense attacked every single witness on every single subject. It's very ineffective, I believed her to be an incest victim before Baez started questioning...but now, due to his smarmy tactics, I've completely changed my mind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dysthymia View Post
    I don't think Casey or Jose Baez got the sexual abuse story from the Menendez brothers trial. But, IIRC, the Menendez brothers were quite prepared for their trial in a way Casey Anthony doesn't appear to be. In contrast with Casey's hair and clothing, the brothers wore spiffy little sweaters and gave the attitude that they were intelligent, well dressed victims of their evil parents. I think that one brother testified on both brothers behalf with the proper tones of fear, regret, and tears. They had psychiatric testimony, too. None of it worked, but in contrast, Casey has nothing but Baez.
    bbm : but it almost worked. i don't know if casey or JB got any idea's from the menendez case, but it did almost work for them. of course they had excellent attnys while "casey has nothing but Baez".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyglass View Post
    Thanks for this timeline.

    During the trial, we've re-watched the jail visit where GA said he would do anything to help her and would trade places with her in a heartbeat if he could(paraphrased). Casey (and DT) may well have seen this as an opportunity.

    I felt George was slow to answer "no" to the prosecution question of whether he had sexually abused the defendant Where was the "no, never" or "I have never abused my daughter in any way." I guess we'll get a clearer picture during the defense portion whether GA is going to clearly deny the accusations OR weakly deny the accusations to plant a little doubt.
    In addition to being sad and heartbroken that he was even being asked that in open court.... I think he was exhausted as this was towards the end of the day on redirect.... and he was looking down at what I believe was a picture of Caylee to gather strength to answer the question...

    I think he also had to be in some amount of shock. Even with letters insinuating this a year earlier... even knowing they would likely accuse him of this... that level of detail was not expected. The Anthony's attorney even said that after opening statements.

    George had to be stunned that Baez really went that far. He had to know that by denying the allegations he was not helping his daughter. Yet, also had to know he had no choice. For once, he had to stand up to his daughter. She has destroyed enough.


    Imagine after your granddaughter being missing for 6 months, been found dead.

    The media and protestors are camped outside your house, finding out all these things about your own daughter.

    Your own daughter is charged with your granddaughter's murder, you have already attempted suicide...

    Then you are accused on national TV of hiding your granddaughter's body and molesting your own daughter.


    I don't think I would be quick to answer such a direct, heartbreaking question either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cecybeans View Post
    Well the Menendez brothers got their spiffy little ideas from movies and it appears that ICA is good at that, too.

    The movies rented at Blockbuster that night had someone taped up in the trunk in one and a child kidnapped in another, and it still haunts me that her "favorite movie" she advertised on some social network site much earlier was Natural Born Killers in which Juliette Lewis plays Mallory Knox, a girl who gets her boyfriend to kill her abusive father and enabling mother before they go on an angry, but highly publicized and sensational, killing spree of innocent bystanders.

    I think this girl has been using movies and TV to invent herself for years. Her lying was legendary, even to kids she knew since childhood like Kiomarie and Ryan. Since she doesn't seem very original and had plenty of time to study tv and movies, I'm guessing she got a lot of her other stories about herself right out of the media.
    I haven't seen a whole lot about what type of person ICA was as a child and teenager. I didn't know her lying was legendary. Was there anything else unusual? Where can I read more about her pre-2006? Thanks!

    I think she could have gotten the idea from the Menendez brothers, or from countless other stories. My guess is that its a combination of her tall tales and some help from her defense team.

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    I actually believed the Menendez brothers. They showed emotion. They never denied killing their parents, just gave an excuse of massive abuse which was explained well by their defense. I agree with ther guilty verdict because abuse is not an excuse for criminal, violent behavior; but I think it did help explain their motive and personalities. This is not the same with ICA. She told lie after lie to keep police from finding her CHILD. I don't care how much abuse there may have been or not. Abuse causes PTSD but it does not cause sociopathy.
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    Did some reading on the Menendez brothers case, yes, it's certain now; I could never be a defense lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HopeInOhio View Post
    I haven't seen a whole lot about what type of person ICA was as a child and teenager. I didn't know her lying was legendary. Was there anything else unusual? Where can I read more about her pre-2006? Thanks!

    I think she could have gotten the idea from the Menendez brothers, or from countless other stories. My guess is that its a combination of her tall tales and some help from her defense team.
    If you read the depos of her friends, Kiomarie, Ryan P, I think even Annie D, and of course even Jesse, they all make mention of her prodigious lies. Jesse even calls it "diabolical" and that's even when he can't bring himself to believe she hurt Caylee. Unfortunately she doesn't have a lot of friends from earlier on involved in this - I'm thinking that many of them tended to move on when either they got tired of lies or started missing things, lol. She seems like the kind of person that had to reinvent herself from time to time after she was found out. WS has an excellent Search function and a lot of the transcripts are in the sticky threads. Have fun sleuthing through them!
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    Commonalities.. parents enabled them financially, did not expect or enforce responsible behavior, and likely covered for their shortcomings to look like successful parents.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
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    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    I think it is a "possibility" that JB came up with the idea of "sexual abuse" allegations that the Menendez Brothers used at their trial.

    And here's why I think so :

    During an interview with InSession that was shown during ICA's Jury Selection, something came up about the OJ trial -- like if JB followed OJ's trial -- and JB stated that the used to SKIP law school classes to watch the OJ trial.

    Well, that right there may explain a "few things" about JB.

    So it would NOT surprise me if JB looked into "defense theories" from previous high-profile cases for some "help" ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowens1975 View Post
    I remember something about a "One Tree Hill" episode where the 'nanny' snatched a baby. Wasn't that something found when forensics searched the home computer?
    yes. and not surprisingly, kc's description of "zanny" seems to match the look of the actress that portrayed the deranged nanny in that series: young, tall, thin, olive-skinned and very attractive. or as ga put it:

    ”The Zanny my daughter described to me is 24 to 25 years old, about 5 foot 7, 125 to 130 pounds,” Anthony testified. “She has straight white teeth and long brown hair. OK, on a scale of 1 to 10, she’s a 10, supposedly.”

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    I actually believed the Menendez brothers abuse claims. I watched that trial diligently and thought they showed expected symptoms, had a strong defense, etc. I think they rightfully were found guilty. Sexual abuse explains behavior and personality---it does not excuse criminal behavior.

    The way KC discusses dreams and the beginnings of memories in her jailhouse letters is consistent with how people with repressed memories begin to remember these things. It usually happens when there is some sort of trigger or extreme stress. The process of remembering is extremely horrifying and terrifying for the person. I have't yet seen a letter or heard that KC is overwhelmed with sadness, horror, or fear in recalling the sexual abuse (or about her daughter's death).

    The problem in this situation is that KC is such a sociopathic liar that nothing she claims is believable. Sexual abuse can cause PTSD (a mental illness)--it does not cause sociopathy (a personality disorder which is not a mental illness). Of course some sociopaths may have been sexually abused because they come from such dysfunctional families but more and more research is showing something structural in the brain that is just different from normal human beings. In time Isuspect scientists will find changes in the brain for most personality disrders and mental ilnesses.

    There are MANY PTSD sufferers who function quite well is many aspects of society, have a conscience, and are not liars even though they have powrful abilities to repress and deny abusive events. I dont know if KC was abused or not. With her crazy family its entirely possible. However, it doesn't rexcuse her criminal behavior and lying, it doesnt mean Caylee accidently drowned, and it certainly doesn't mean George helped cover up or hide the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFacetious View Post
    In addition to being sad and heartbroken that he was even being asked that in open court.... I think he was exhausted as this was towards the end of the day on redirect.... and he was looking down at what I believe was a picture of Caylee to gather strength to answer the question...

    I think he also had to be in some amount of shock. Even with letters insinuating this a year earlier... even knowing they would likely accuse him of this... that level of detail was not expected. The Anthony's attorney even said that after opening statements.

    George had to be stunned that Baez really went that far. He had to know that by denying the allegations he was not helping his daughter. Yet, also had to know he had no choice. For once, he had to stand up to his daughter. She has destroyed enough.


    Imagine after your granddaughter being missing for 6 months, been found dead.

    The media and protestors are camped outside your house, finding out all these things about your own daughter.

    Your own daughter is charged with your granddaughter's murder, you have already attempted suicide...

    Then you are accused on national TV of hiding your granddaughter's body and molesting your own daughter.


    I don't think I would be quick to answer such a direct, heartbreaking question either.
    ITA. I think too, he was trying to stay in control. To me, he always comes across as a man with a good heart, a temper(like most of us!!)not particularly brilliant,(CA and ICa are very, very smart) and vunerable to manipluations by women. IMO GA should never have allowed CA to talk him into not being a cop and leaving Ohio.

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    [QUOTE=dog.gone.cute;6618666]

    I think it is a "possibility" that JB came up with the idea of "sexual abuse" allegations that the Menendez Brothers used at their trial.

    And here's why I think so :

    During an interview with InSession that was shown during ICA's Jury Selection, something came up about the OJ trial -- like if JB followed OJ's trial -- and JB stated that the used to SKIP law school classes to watch the OJ trial.


    Question. JB was in law school during the Menendez trial in the 90s?? Last night one lawyer on Dr..Drew(lousy show IMO)said JB had only been a member of the Bar for three years.

    Did it take him that long to finish or did he do something else for a while or is the tv lawyer wrong??

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