a close family friend
a stranger/stalker a la JMK
PR-it wasn't sexual abuse,it was corporal punishment
she wasn't previously abused/molested
I never said she was "a little bit molested" nor would I ever make that distinction when it comes to sexual abuse of children, women, or men. Abuse is abuse, sexual or otherwise when hands are placed where they don't belong.
No one credible here will ignore your request for a source....maybe they just haven't answered you yet?
Evidence is overlooked and downplayed on both sides of the fence - problem is, there's some RDI evidence that can't be downplayed no matter how one tries to spin it....I guess there's just a lot MORE evidence for RDI....and that's a fact.
In the absence of the autopsy photographs and expert opinion, evidence of prior sexual molestation, will be hard to find.
Have you read Steve Thomas' book, he offers you numerous sources citing prior sexual abuse.
This evidence flatly contradicts the books main theory PDI via bedwetting, its obvious he is attempting to avoid litigation. He tells you there can be no conclusive interpretation, but I doubt all these doctors are wrong about the past violation of the vagina or there was chronic abuse?
This is a sexually motivated homicide and no intruder broke into the Ramsey household to resume chronic abuse!
JonBenet's death and staged crime-scene has all been undertaken to hide the sexual abuse, something that JonBenet probably had to endure for years.
She would have wanted to talk to someone about this not had its occurrence questioned becuase she could not cite some external source!
I've been away from WS for a while and have spent the past week or so catching up.
My belief is that PR was the chronic abuser and I'm not sure it was all "corporal punishment".
I also don't think any of the staging was done to "hide" past abuse. I don't think PR realized that what she was doing previously to JBR was sexual abuse.
Gah, I know this post makes no sense, so go easy on me
I guess I would rather imagine this to be an accident between two kids while exploring rather than think JR or PR using an EA tool on their six year old.
I do know incest is more common than we would all like to think but this is so much more than fondling. AE on a 6 year old? if JR was that sexed up he could have easily afforded a call girl. and where would he get the privacy to accomplish this?
I used to think it was a bedwetting PR crazy moment, but the fact JR fibers were on JB changed my mind. I dont think he would have stood by her after losing Beth.
I sure dont know what happened tht night but I dont believe the intruder theory at all
HENCE...we still have a mystery.
Patsy claimed she never wore that red sweater in the basement nor did she paint while wearing it. The paint tote and duct tape never left the basement- they are IMPORTANT parts of the crime scene. Patsy claimed JB put those huge panties on herself. How did JR's shirt fibers get INSIDE the crotch? Patsy was wearing the same clothes from the day before but NOT JR. It was fibers his shirt from the shirt worn the previous night that were found. And for fibers to be entwined inside the knot of the cord, that can only have happened when someone tied that knot.
It isn't the presence of the fibers themselves. Yes, fibers from family members WILL be all over a home. But the presence of the fibers on items that were part of the crime ONLY (duct tape, garrote knot, staged panties, paint tote) are what points to a family coverup.
THIS time, we get it RIGHT!
This post is my constitutionally-protected opinion. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.
per arndt, every one of them had a role in incest. what were those roles?
That transfer would be not only on a body, but elsewhere in the house if the intruder had free rein or access to the entire house. What evidence is there of someone, a stranger, outside the family members, being in the home?
The Hokey Pokey Clinic - A good place to turn yourself around:
fibres from jb parents would have been all over jb and could travel to and even inside jb by means of transference.
Remember the pubic/Auxillary hair that was never identified as well as other forign fibres? people on the parents did it side ignore A LOT of unidentifiable trace evidence as well as other intruder evidence too.
Lets stick to the facts please.
DeeDee249 enumerated the facts I note you do not address any of them.
Your post merely tells us that there is environmental debri floating around the Ramsey household. That on its own does not explain any of the crime-scene evidence.
You add nothing to the debate by citing unidentifiable trace evidence , whatever that is, if it is unidentifiable then it has no current value, just like the touch-dna inside JonBenet's underwear.A LOT of unidentifiable trace evidence as well as other intruder evidence too.
Please do not waste the boards time with quotes regarding unidentifiable trace evidence because other than the relevance of its location you cannot infer anything at all from it with any confidence.
Conversely we can infer something from forensic evidence found at the crime-scene precisely because BPD have identified the origin of the black fibers from John Ramsey's Israeli manufactured shirt, discovered inside JonBenet's underwear.
As DeeDee249 indicates numerous items of forensic evidence found at the crime-scene link the Ramsey's directly to it.
To date there is no forensic evidence linking any intruder to the crime-scene, curious that.
There will be lots and lots unidentified artifacts to be found in the Ramsey household. Even items long forgotten by the Ramsey's themselves.
Unidentified simply means we do not know who the owner of the said artifact was. It certainly does not mean that the owner must be an intruder.
1. Untraced animal hair found on duct tape AND jonbenets hands
2. Unidentified palmprint on cellar door
3. Baseball bat Not belonging to ramsays found near house WITH fibres from the basement carpet.
4. Cotton fibres found On JB,Duct tape AND ligature not sourced to ramsays
5. Pubic hair not sourced to ramsays found on blanket covering the Jonbenet
6. Unidentified touch DNA found on Jonbenet
Now you will notice that it seems a short list, others may have included evidence such as Stun guns, unidentified footprints, moved window grate, disturbed basement door, footprints in cellar, suitcase under the cellar window ect, but i am openminded enough to see these as possibly explainable by other means, i dont necessarily disbelieve these were evidence to "suggest" an intruder, but i believe we must work with the facts that have not been fully explained.
maybe you could collate a factual list similar to see if your theory holds up as well.
I doubt it.
The palm print belonged to Melinda Ramsey.
The baseball bat was outside the house, not inside. Besides, wouldn't it be awkward to hit her with a baseball bat, given the size, while choking and stun-gunning (tic), her?
Many fibers were identified, including fibers from Patsy's jacket that were found on the sticky side of the duct tape....that was left in the cellar.
It was not a pubic hair.
Stun guns? How many were there? This is news to me, I didn't realize they'd found stun guns.
Moved grate? Disturbed basement door? Please, refresh my memory?