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    The BASEMENT WINDOW and GRATE.

    Okay, so what's the deal with the basement window and grate. Some say this is evidence of an intruder...some say it is evidence of the contrary. What say you?

    I understand their was a cobweb on the grate...does anyone know if this was fact of fiction? If their was a cobweb on the grate, could the grate have been moved and replaced without disturbing the web?

    Is the grate significant? Why? Why not?

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    Still wondering if anyone has any info or opinions on the basement window and the grate that covered it.

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    Smit, the seasoned(not senile) detective spoke with experts who claimed the web could have been reconstructed , the temps in Boulder during the day were in the 50's, if I recall this was important ..these temps. Smit contends that it was easy to open the window and not disturb the web,as well.

    from rmn
    Former Boulder Det. Steve Thomas, in his book JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey murder investigation, described the window sill as "undisturbed." The scuff mark on the wall could have been caused by any number of things in a cluttered basement. An expert suggests that the web couldn't have been rebuilt.

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    There was a spiderweb on the grate, but no spider was ever located and that's why the cops had to seek information on what type of spider could have spun that particular style of web. If a spider had respun the web after the fictitious intruder (IMO) came through that way, where is the spider? They don't just spin a web and disappear into the ether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker
    There was a spiderweb on the grate, but no spider was ever located and that's why the cops had to seek information on what type of spider could have spun that particular style of web. If a spider had respun the web after the fictitious intruder (IMO) came through that way, where is the spider? They don't just spin a web and disappear into the ether.
    I'm glad your post clarified for me that the opinion of the web being reconstructed was that of a spider...it almost sounded like the det. was suggesting the murderer reconstucted the web...that would have been something! LOL

    While I find it unlikely (not being a pro) that a spider would have respun the web that day, I have to admit, that I have been guilty of tearing apart spider webs while relaxing outside with friends, and we've commented in amazement how quickly these guys re spin their webs.

    About 4 weeks ago, I walked a neighbor home, she lives one street below me, on the beach. There is a significant amount of traffic on her street for a small neighborhood. Well, we walked through numerous spider webs that had been strung across the street from bush to bush and tree to tree. We thought it was so odd, that numerous webs were spun across the street. We were musing how long it had been since a car drove by, 30 minutes at most? Well, we obviously broke and walked through numerous webs to her house, I left her in the driveway and walked home-through more spider webs! The ones we had already destroyed were back up!

    So, on the face of it, I would think that the web on the grate makes it very perplexing, but in light of personal experience, maybe it is completely insignificant.

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    A remote "could have" spun a spider web quickly again that morning does not equate to DID.
    But it's really beside the point when looking at other factual evidence regarding an exit from the house up and out of that window in the basement.
    For just outside that door to the room with the broken window and said grate, is a chair shoved up against the door that enters into that room.
    Thus nullifying any silly notion that Superman's ghost walked through doors, placed a chair up against the door, walked back through the door and went up and out the window.

    John Ramsey stated himself that HE found the chair shoved up against the door.
    John Ramsey himself stated that HE broke that window.
    John Ramsey himself stated that HE observed the broken window opened that morning - yet told NO ONE. Even though he was down in the basement supposedely looking for evidence of some intruder.

    There was no intruder.
    Spider webs are moot points.
    This post is my opinion.

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    There was an eyewitness who lived at the Ramsey's who has testified to the fact that no intruder came in through the basement window. His name was Agelendidae Ramsey.

    Agelendidae was an excellent witness who didn't miss much, because he lived in the window well where the iron grate was and he has eight eyes. Agelendidae was a spider.

    The Agelendidae species of spider hibernates during the winter. A picture of the spiderweb in question was sent by the BPD to Dr. Brent Opell of the Opell Laboratory of Spider Systematics at Virginia Tech, in Blacksburg, Va. Dr. Opell said the funnel web is that of the Agelendidae and this species of spider hibernates during the winter and doesn't mess with his web from October to March.

    The spiderweb on the iron grate, as viewed by the police, was unbroken and couldn't have been repaired by the hibernating Agelendidae spider. The temperature that night was 8 degrees and a very light dusting of snow that fell that night covered the ground and the old encrusted snow already on the ground. Agelendidae Ramsey, in his own way, said the iron grate had not been moved during the night.

    Later that morning the temperature warmed up and the dusting of snow melted. Investigators eventually lifted the iron grate to inspect the window-well and the broken window. Police photos taken later in the day show only patches of snow on the ground, and grass caught under the iron gate -- but those photos were taken after it had warmed up and melted the dusting of snow; and after the cops had inspected the window-well, trapping the grass under the iron grate when they replaced it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fran Bancroft
    About 4 weeks ago, I walked a neighbor home, she lives one street below me, on the beach.
    Fran, please tell me....do you live in, or near Friday Harbor? I'm just dying to visit there...and the rest of the San Juan Islands of course...

    Are you sure they were the same webs, or could they have been other webs that you just didn't encounter before?

    Most spiders either die (most only live one season) or hibernate during the winter months. Where I live we have trantula's (very interesting species) and they hibernate as do our black widows and wolf spiders. The daddy longlegs only seem to live the one season....there are no spiders out spinning webs in the winter. We don't get much (most years none at all) snow.

    Spiders are only out when the insects are in abundance. Insects are in abundance during the late Spring, all through Summer, and begining of Fall when the climate is warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker
    Fran, please tell me....do you live in, or near Friday Harbor? I'm just dying to visit there...and the rest of the San Juan Islands of course...

    Are you sure they were the same webs, or could they have been other webs that you just didn't encounter before?

    Most spiders either die (most only live one season) or hibernate during the winter months. Where I live we have trantula's (very interesting species) and they hibernate as do our black widows and wolf spiders. The daddy longlegs only seem to live the one season....there are no spiders out spinning webs in the winter. We don't get much (most years none at all) snow.

    Spiders are only out when the insects are in abundance. Insects are in abundance during the late Spring, all through Summer, and begining of Fall when the climate is warm.
    Well, I've lost my reply to you thrice! I'm frustrated so, I will break my reply down in parts.

    Part 1) I live in Rocky Point. I spend a fair amount of time in Friday Harbor, as I do research in the courthouse there. You will find FH busy in the summer with many tourists. A bucket of water on street corners for dogs, and infront of quaint establishments, too. You can walk, bike, or scooter around FH. I recommend a Mediteranean roof top restaurant highly. It is only open in the summer, however. It's named something like Mousala's-I'm sure that's close, but not precise. You can kayak, wind surf, or take whale watching tours-I'm lucky as I can see the whales from my front porch or window, when they come through. Grey whales and orcas. We saw two adult and one juvenile orca last year-quite a treat. We also have porpoises, which I don't see to often from my home, but I do when I'm on the ferry. There is an oyster bar near the landing at FH if you care for oysters (I don't, I'm a bad scandi).

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    Part 2) I know the webs were different. The street is small and narrow. We actually watched some spiders windsurfing their web-string across the road. The all went the same northern direction. My friend and I were curious about everything concerning these webs across the road as neither of us had ever seen them in the road before. But, we both also commented on the "windsurfing" spiders, because we didn't notice any wind-but apparently the spiders noticed! The street, by virtue of the fact that many people have crowded their homes in the beach space on either side of the road, has enough traffic that one web would be unusual, but there must have been twenty in a block, plus those reconstructed as we had to walk "through" them to get to her home, and then I again, back to my home.


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    Part 3) The climate is mild here. Actually, for the second year in a row, we've had unusually warm and sunny summer days. The temperature is in the upper 60's now-still pleasant for here. The corner of the island that I live on has especially nice weather. We have lots of microclimates here. It can literally be raining 2 blocks up the hill from me, and sunny where I live-but the ground is always wet from the moisture draining my direction.

    Because the last couple of years have been so mild, we've actually had more bug problems this year, as they hadn't died off in the winter months.
    This is a very busy time of year for spiders. We know that fall is at the door or upon us when the morning dew reveals spider webs by the hundreds in the grassy fields, knee high, or on the fences, or inbetween the parallel telephone/utility wires. This is likely the time that we will see more spiders than any other time of year. The locals in the coffee shops will (and did just last week) discuss the big ugly spiders coming into the bathrooms from outdoors-WHY do they like the bathtubs???

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    Ugh! A big ugly spider!

    Okay, Seeker, you're in trouble! As I've been sitting here typing, as if to prove my point, a big ugly brown spider with 37 legs just crawled across my lap! Made me jump, scream, and hang up on the person I was talking with! Yep! We got spiders!

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    Cobwebs in the grate: Police have argued that if someone moved the grate on the window well, they would have disturbed cobwebs on a portion of the grate. An initial police report states "cobwebs were observed on the southeast portion of the grate." But Smit never saw any photographs showing these cobwebs. "In fact," he said, "the photographs show just the opposite -- no cobwebs." But, if there were cobwebs on the southeast portion of the grate, entry could still be made without disturbing them. Smit conducted an experiment with Boulder detectives that found that by sliding the grate forward, an opening is created without disturbing the cobwebs. In addition, some spider experts have suggested that the webs could have been rebuilt quickly.
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    If the grate can be moved with a cobweb intact due to where it was located, I think the cobweb is a moot point. However, if the cobweb was located where it would have been disturbed i.e. attached to the grate and well and house or some such combination, then it is worth considering.

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    What other evidence suggests or dismisses entry/exist from the basement window?

    Scuff mark?...

    Suit case?....

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