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    Dr. Gary Utz testimony (Medical Examiner)

    ICA's face is now buried in her sleeve/garment...
    Dr. Utz is talking about the condition of the skull. Hair is extending on top of the skull. Mentions the duct tape. Referring to photo: this is the skull again. And it pictures acurately what it shows. What is flowing down on the skull are strands of hair. The hair mat can be seen on the photo. Another photo of the skull from the side and it is acurately portrayed. Now we are looking at the right side and back of the skull. Can clearly see the hair and the TAPE. The tape appears to be almost covering the eye sockets.

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    Showing eye socket part of the skull with the tape right below the eyes.

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    Jim Lichtenstein twitter: "Worst picture yet... Most of skull with hair covering face below eyes, duct tape over mouth and hair."

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    "Tell the jury why it's unusual for the mandible to remain attached..."

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    Mandible stays in place when moved. Unusual because normally when it reaches this stage of decomp, mandible won't be attached. Still attached because of hair mat and plant material.

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    Tape was no longer adhesive, but there were parts that were attached to the hair and had also slightly attached to the mandible.

    he thinks the fabric of the tape was stuck to the mandible, but not the "sticky part" of the tape.
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    "The mandible is usually left behind; mandible is still attached due to hair mat and plant growth"

    "The tape was no longer adhesive but there were still small portions of the hair attached to the tape and to the mandible itself"

    "Part of the fabric of the tape was stuck to the mandible vs the adhesive of the tape"

    "Roots had grown into and around the hair mat"

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    "Once I removed the tape and teased apart the hair the mandible was easily removed"

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    #CaseyAnthony Clearest image yet showing how tape is adhering to jaw. Whiteness of remaining teeth is striking.


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    Next photo: the tape after it was separated from the remains. You can see it's wrapped in circular fashion #caseyanthony

    by biancamprieto via twitter at 8:39 AM

    (yes you could see it was circular) JMHO

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    BS in biology, MD, clinical pathology, forensic pathology, licensed to practice medicine....forensic path since 1997....

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    Dr. G called on 12/11/08- she was leaving town and asked take charge of case until she returned.
    contact w/Hansen while @ scene bring back some items found prepared to receive and examine them preliminarly....Dr. G asked him to help w/evidence transfer issue to FBI...

    bag contain garbage bags, canvas bag, leaf litter....another bag with skull w/scalp hair and tape...

    first photo in series of photos taken ....taken @ his direction...

    States exhibit #CM - publish - what you see....don't know if you can tell - 2 plastic bags partially torn, leaf litter & debris....it was near the bag.....zoom in on portion for jury....long bone....bone of the leg....white object....black garbage bag....laundry fabric bag - mixed in with garbage bag and leaf litter.....

    pic CN = skull w/hair & tape.....once paper bag ripped away how it looks...publish....kc appears to be sinking lower in chair....

    looking @ human skull facing and it is upright....over jaw and facial bones are several pieces of grey colored tape.....there is hair extended over the top of the skull..


    skulll again in same position - photo from directly above....pu blish ...same item from above strands of hair flow out.....where hair mat? partially seen down @ bottom...next photo CP - skull from the side...

    right side of skull , strands of hair, mat @ bottom of skull, you can see the tape....the eye sockets are in this direction and tape appears to come around the side...

    CQ - photo of left side - adherant leaves and twigs - see hair matt - right side of skull partial obscure by leaf.....hair mat has thicker objects appear to be plant roots....next photo CR - pic appearance of the skull - someone is tilting the skull - himself or Dr. Schultz....it is being supported back on the skull is resting on paper bag...held up so face part can be viewed on the camera. publish

    Look @ skull face on - see eye sockets...see hair covering skull...look @ pic oriented better - hair partial cover eye sockets - same hair saw underneath and behind skull....below that is tape....this part of the tape - a flap of tape separate from this part...pieces of tape attached to each ....don't recall how many pieces - maybe three - appeared to be more than one.....

    CS for identification.....appearance of skull? publish skull tilted so bottom is toward camera....this is bottom of mandible jaw bone - here is portion of the tape rest of this all around base and bottom of skull is hair along with plant roots and pieces of leaves.

    (kc holding her fist to chest - calming self- deep breathe, shroud pulled high on neck...)

    by the time you reach human decomp - mandible not attached - skull is moved usually rolls around - mandible stays behind...in this case hair mat has in place plant material giving structure to hold bones together...tape is adhearing to ....it is.... tape itself was no longer adhesive ...still stuck in corners small portions of the hair....the fabric part had attached to hair and to the mandible itself....not sticky anymore - part of the fabric was stuck rather than tape itself....small pieces of fabric from tape as well as roots grown in around the hair mat....

    removed the tape later - cut away tape and fabric small portions -

    next photo - skull w/mandible removed - publish...

    teased apart the hair the mandible was easy to remove....unusual where mandible was with the skull...never seen mandible with the skull...

    on right side photo - leaf debris - under the skull or around the skull? skull sitting on that while in paper bag...when delievered to him it was under the skull..

    CU - gone back a bit - mandible and tape are still there...publish...now we are looking @ skull again - tilted down on left side - this is the right side of the lower jaw and mandible (look up from bottom right mandbile)....backing of the tape is showing how attached to the mandible....magnified pic.....see the little strands of fabric coming from tape....sticking into mandible....on left side of pic...little bit of hair sticking to tape.....all this is fabric....some of this is actually lightly adhearing to bone of the mandible also mixed in with plant roots - seen here and here....root comes under the tape and around the mandible - appears to don't know what it was in original.....lifted edge of tape up...shows multiple layers of tape....nothing else in this photo

    CV - photo tape after removed...publish....show pic on screen of duct tape (DS asks kc if she is ok - she nods)

    tape separating - appears to be almost in cirular - - explains back part is tape backing....taken into evidence and given to FBI.... approach witness

    envelope w/unidentified skeletal remains in evidence bag.....Caylee is in the room


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    piece of henkle tape not washed


    Utz w/JA - states exhibit DD - fabric laundry bag...next photo DE - same item publish

    laundry bag......from the side - consists of a canvas fabric 0pen side rigid ring to keep it open....inside bag coated with waterproof or moisture resistant....

    inside of bag...photo taken looking directly into opening (not being shown on screen) in larger ...were there things taken out of here? not much - just debris...not cleaned but more things in here...,


    photo of the label....EG exhibit - publish photo of label of the bag - next photo other side of label - Whitney design.....publish

    photo of black plastic garbage bag w/yellow handles tied closed....- both bags had multiple tears...large areas not disrupted each bag had multiple tears.


    DK - close up of knot.....publish...opening of the bag had it been intact ...how big it was? in this position ....a couple of inches in diameter....perhaps.....

    DL - plastic garbage bag - a 2nd bag? appears to be....photos are out of normal sequence....recognize photo as items found therein...object-overrule ....

    Dm ... article of clothing - appears to be child's shorts

    recess til 3:10



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    KC didn't rise for the jury!
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    HHJP : "Ms. Anthony is ill and we must recess for the day."

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