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  1. #16
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    Blaster - you should think before you speak, or type !!

    I never said I didn't believe in child slavery.. I am sure that it does exist. And it may have happened with Johnny...
    But I dont believe that he suddenly came home as an adult man, visited his mother once, told her not to tell anyone and that he was still endanger...
    Knowing what he "went through" you would think he would want to tell - to help arrest the SOB's that did this... so that it would not happen to another child again.. I am not buying it..

    No one is trashing the Goschs's and no one wants to stop them finding answers... I believe that Noreen BELIEVES it was her son... I think someone is playing with her mind and THAT is what could hinder the investigation - not "posters" like us.

    JMHO

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    Parts of the story sound plausible....parts sound a little "fishy."

    For example, it mentions Michael LaVey (Anton LaVey's son)....well, Anton had three children, none named Michael. LaVey fathered three children, two daughters named Karla and Zeena, and one son named Xerxes. (Born Xerxes Carnacki LaVey on November 1st, 1993 to Anton LaVey and Blanche Barton. LaVey's only son).

    Sorta off-topic, but relevant to my post, there was a guy in California named Anthony Jess LaVey (supposedly). He was (again supposedly) the son of Anton and had converted to Christianity. He went around preaching on the religious circuit about Satanism, the occult, etc. When contacted and asked for documentation to support his claims, Jess "LaVey" responded that he was unable to provide evidence due to satanic conspiracies against him.

    So, the LaVey part definitely adds a credibility issue to at least one person involved (or at least mentioned in the story).

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    The reason Johnny can't come home, which is the main theme of the story, is that he is in hiding and fearful of his life from this syndicate of child pornographers and kidnappers who would do anything to protect their lifestyle. From what I gathered from the story there have been other people "silenced" who were involved. I believe his fears would be justified. Also, he has his mother, father, and siblings to think about protecting as well. I am off to do more reading on this to see if there has been any recent updates. Thanks for posting everyone, this is a great forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken
    The reason Johnny can't come home, which is the main theme of the story, is that he is in hiding and fearful of his life from this syndicate of child pornographers and kidnappers who would do anything to protect their lifestyle. From what I gathered from the story there have been other people "silenced" who were involved. I believe his fears would be justified. Also, he has his mother, father, and siblings to think about protecting as well. I am off to do more reading on this to see if there has been any recent updates. Thanks for posting everyone, this is a great forum!

    So what you saying is that he is too fearful for his life and the lives of his family to come home, to talk to authorities and give names.. But he is not fearful for all the other children this could happen to if he does not come forward ??????????????

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    We don't know how we would react to any situation until we were in it. Remember, this kid has been supposedly brainwashed and tortured. There comes a time when self preservation out weighs everything else. It is easy to sit here and think that we would help these other children even if it meant our lives, but until we are in the situation we don't know for sure. Also, Johnny has atleast 2 siblings that I know of, and parents. SHould this be his cross to bear?

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    If he was brainwashed how would he remember anything or think it was ok just to visit that one time none of this is making anything sense so I just dont buy it!

    Again "Miles":IS NCMEC INVOLVED ? WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN THE FBI'S INVOLVEMENT?
    The saints are the sinners who keep trying...

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    I am not sure of the FBI involvement, I do know there was a confrontation between Johnnys mother and an agent in her home. Johnny gave her names to aide in arrests. When his mother went to the police to try and get protective custody for him, Witness Protection, in turn for his testimony, the police were non committal. Remember, the police chief at the time of his dissapearance was discovered later to be involved with people suspected in his kidnapping. I'm continuing to explore these different issues you bring up here, I do have a job though and can't committ full time, I'd appreciate any help in investigating the different aspects of this case. I really don't have any info from the Law Enforcement side of this case, I can't seem to locate any. Again, any help in answering these questions would be greatly appreciated. THanks!

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    Guys,

    You can go to www.johnnygosch.com and read a whole chapter on-line, for free, of the book Johnnys mother wrote "Why can't Johnny come home", its a very interesting read and should help you make up your mind!

    Theres also some interesting pictures at the end of the sample chapter including a poster that Johnnys mother and others in her town were sent anonymously with the police composite sketch and a picture of the man Noreen claims is partly responsible side-by-side. The anonymous sender has drawn an arrow between the 2 photos..........

    Personally, I don't know what to think. I very much doubt his mothers story but I do feel incredibly sorry for her, it just seems so far-fetched. But on the other hand, maybe thats exactly the reason why these people have got away with it for so long.

    Very weird. It would be great to think Johnny was still alive though.............

    I would LOVE to investigate this case a bit further but wouldn't have a clue where to start. All the information on-line is stuff provided by Johnnys mother. We'd need independent witness accounts. Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emma l
    Guys,

    You can go to www.johnnygosch.com and read a whole chapter on-line, for free, of the book Johnnys mother wrote "Why can't Johnny come home", its a very interesting read and should help you make up your mind!
    I did read that - its all what his mother says - I need more than just what she says... After reading that and hearing what I have heard, I still dont buy it. I cant believe that there is not one officer and not one FBI agent willing to help this woman out. Maybe at the time, she was having trouble, but not now. If she went to them and said he needed protection, I cant imagine that they would be "non commital".

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    Johnny

    His ID and story were verified.

    http://http://www.americanfreepress....cates_top.html

    http://http://www.donnachapel.com/johnny_gosch.html

    This pains me that too many people are willing to write this story off. What bothers me more is that if a child has been gone too long the LE's write them off for dead. I feel this is the wrong thing to do. We should never stop looking, ever. Some of these kids could be hiding out homeless somewhere trying to stay off the "grid".........It's very sad these kids need someone to stand up for them not refuse them help and invalidate their experience. If I had to I would put myself in danger to bring them home but, not without a little back-up of course. I'm in the process of getting some of my own documents together and thinking about making my story public.....(cult related) In fact, I just got verification that there are some documents but, I have to verify my ID before they can send them. So, within a few weeks I'll be going cross country to get most of these together and get them out so stay tuned I promise this will be interesting. But, I have a reason to feel the way I do. I think if anyone pops up you have to give them the benefit of the doubt and listen, then point them in the right direction. Don't shoot them down, help them as much as possible if they are lying that will come out in the long run if not you'll be hero's. LE's and NCMEC do investigate this stuff they just won't talk about it so they won't blow any leads.......dodging bullets is tough work. These kids really need someone to stand up for them because they are broken. Please give them the chance they diserve.....I may be putting my life on the line very soon but, there are things people need to know and I hope I have the attention of all here and elsewhere....I promise I have a really interesting story to tell and I need some open minds.


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    The links above didn't work for me, i'd be very interested in reading what was there. There are too many kids dissapearing in this country, there is in fact organized white slavery of children, and too discredit them is to lend a helping hand to those who would take them. Remember, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaster
    CNN NEWS
    The day my God died and on and on........yahoo has 469,000 refs. of child sex slavery. But, none of this really happens and children don't really go missing they just get a little misplaced that's all.
    Blaster I truly hope you're not the one in same RE: chapman. The head people here can check your isp addy's. Please don't cause heartaches. No one is saying that it doesn't happen or hasn't happened; but offering up no other concrete proof; how can anyone believe that Noreen truly saw her son. She so badly wanted it to be him and it was the middle of the night.

    Don't cause trouble here. You can discuss things and offer opinions without slamming others.

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    I think this is a great forum for discussing these cases, not arguing. I agree that people get pretty upset when their opinions are attacked. My belief is that this forum is used to bounce theories back and forth amoungst users, some of us are seasoned investigators, others are novices. We can all work together and maybe come up with some things that nobody else thought of. I enjoy hearing from all of you regarding this case of Johnny Gosch. If I seem a bit passionate in defense of his mothers beliefs I apologize. This case has haunted me most of my life, and her side is really all I've been able to find. I would love to know LE's side or the FBI's for that matter. If anyone has any information regarding this case from any angle I'd love to read about it. THanks so much guys for contributing to this thread, I enjoy hearing from all of you!

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    Johnny

    Who's chapman?
    the links didn't work for me when I tried them so I'll repost them here.......It's not slamming when you know the truth and want people to see.
    Donna Chapel
    free press
    I'm just a simple fisherman blessed with many friends.
    here's a few more.
    Indy media
    Franklin cover-up
    more Franklin cover-up
    This stuff was all over the news last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueclouds
    Blaster I truly hope you're not the one in same RE: chapman.
    I was thinking about "boy exploited" and that whole fiasco too!!!
    The saints are the sinners who keep trying...

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