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    Jesse Grund

    First thread here so feel free to move if this is in the wrong area

    But I have some interests on Jesse Grund, especially now since the state hasn't called him to the stand yet. Will he be the grand finale or will they leave him out all together? I am very interested as to what JG and ICA were talking about into the morning hours of the 16th. Does anyone know where I could find their text transcripts? I don't believe she necessarily told him anything but I have a feeling their conversation would be very telling as to whether either this whole thing was a tragic accident or an intentional premeditated murder. It seems like ICA is very close to him I mean, she did name him as Caylee's father originally correct? Another lie out of her millions.

    Anyway, here is his deposition, and it is very intriguing. Looks like for the most part ICA wants to keep him as far away from the situation as possible and she will make up maybe yet another lie to him later? I see she used his shower. Was it because she reeked of death and feared showering at home? Also ICA says she will need to be drunk to tell him this. Don't people drink when they want to be brutally honest? Or did she want to be drunk to hide it and maybe even have sex with him? Ah, Idk so many questions in this case but I sincerely hope they do call him to the stand. I can't wait to see the look on ICA's face


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    Jesse Grund deposition (thanks to ACandyRose.com)

    Date of Affidavit; 07/15/08 22:16
    Offense: Kidnapping
    Date of Offense; 06/09/08
    Subject; Fernandez-Gonzales, Zenaida
    Location; 2863 S. Conway Rd #210 Orlando FL 32812

    <modsnip>

    I, Jesse Grund do hearby voluntarily make the following statement without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor by any persons whomsoever.

    On 7/15/08 at approx. 0005 hours, I received a phone call from a friend, Jeff, who advised me he had recvd a call from an OCSO deputy on Casey Anthony's phone. I called her number, 4076199286, and spoke w/sgt. Hosey, who advised me that Caylee Anthony was missing, and asked me if I had any information. At the time I didn't and hung up. This morning at 0939 hours, I texted (text messaged) Casey to find out what happened. Casey sent me back a text message advising me Caylee had been missing for 32 days, and that, in a second text message, her nanny took her.

    After recalling recent phone conversations I had w/Casey, I remember at phone conversation I had


    w/Casey on the weekend of 6/27/08 at which time Casey asked me to come to Fusian Night Club to cheer me up. I asked Casey if her mom was watching Caylee, as I knew the two had a falling out. Casey told me that Caylee was with the nanny at the beach for the week or weekend (cannot remember specific).

    After contacting Corp. Melich on the phone I went on Casey's myspace and facebook pages and found the following: On facebook Casey Anthony had deleted upwards of 200+ photographs of her, and her w/Caylee. On myspace, she had at one point, over 10 pages of photos of Caylee, now reduced to 4 pages. Casey's personal hobby is photograhy and has had upwards of 300+ photos of Caylee posted online, at any given time.

    During my conversation w/Inv. Analyst McBride, I additionally realled that between the week of 6/22/08 - 7/6/08, I had two odd contacts from Casey Anthony: In that time period, Casey called me to ask if she could use my shower, since she was not staying w/her parents and Tony (her boyfriend) was out of town. The call occured at 10 a.m. but unsure of the specific date. I allowed Casey to use the shower, and when she came over, nothing appeared out of the ordinary. On 7/3/08, Casey texted me "if JG my mom or dad try to call you, don't answer. I will explain it later, but for right now just stay out of it." on 7/4/08, I called her to try and get an explanation but she told

    me, "It was a long story and I will probably call you when I get drunk to tell you."

    I swear and affirm, the above is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I will testify.


    *******





    oh and if I may add as I only have two possible theories regarding how/where Caylee died and that is

    1. Tragic "accident" due to

    severe neglect: like leaving Caylee in a hot car during hot Florida summer. Or Leaving her unattended outside and she drowns in the pool.

    sever abuse: like xanaxing or chloroforming the child to sleep so she can party/sex

    or a combination of those too. Then stage a kidnapping so it's not her fault, and Cindy wouldn't have been right about the bad mother allegations.

    2. Cold calculating premeditated murder
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    First thread here so feel free to move if this is in the wrong area

    But I have some interests on Jesse Grund,
    I believe she had it in her mind to set Jesse up for Caylees' murder. FAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    oh and if I may add as I only have two possible theories regarding how/where Caylee died and that is

    1. Tragic "accident" due to

    severe neglect: like leaving Caylee in a hot car during hot Florida summer. Or Leaving her unattended outside and she drowns in the pool.

    sever abuse: like xanaxing or chloroforming the child to sleep so she can party/sex

    or a combination of those too. Then stage a kidnapping so it's not her fault, and Cindy wouldn't have been right about the bad mother allegations.

    2. Cold calculating premeditated murder
    If it were an accident, she would have contacted authorities. There's a lot of folks that leave their kids in cars here in Fl, they do not go to jail for it. Probally because they are hugely remorseful...it's obvious it was an *accident.* Same with a pool drowning.

    This is very important. No parent would just leave their kid/throw them in the trash because it was an accident - not if they care about them. Even Dr. G backs this up.


    She's already busted on neglect.

    I believe if she cared about Caylee, even if she wanted to party and Caylee died, she would have been up front immediately, regardless of what happens to her.

    Any parent who loves their child would.

    As an aside, about 8 months or so after this all started, a 6 year old child was kidnapped in california. Mother was tied up, bla bla bla.

    The mother got out of her ties and contacted police. She/members of her family were involved with drugs - this is why the kid got kidnapped. This mother did not care what happened to *her* - she was only concerned for her child and wanted him back safe and sound. She threw herself at the cops, along with her dad and any one else involved to get the boy back.

    The boy was released.

    This is what a parent does.

    I do believe Caylee's murder was premeditated. ICA thought about it for a while. At first I thought she was going to off her parents but my mind changed.

    I read this theory on a forum a few days ago. It was written by a nurse.. paraphrased.

    I forget what all the searches were, but a one of them was some kind of chest bruising, and I believe something to do with the spleen.

    I believe that ICA was going to drown her, let her die, then "attempt" to resuscitate her - she was looking for ways to break an area of the chest/stomach to prove this. (My description sounds weird I know)

    By doing this she would have gotten off scott free - of course depending on whether the ME could tell whether anything was done after the fact.

    For whatever reason, she didn't take this path. But I feel that was her initial plan. It makes sense to me, more than her offing her parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technicalconfusion View Post
    I believe she had it in her mind to set Jesse up for Caylees' murder. FAIL!
    Yeah I remember the family saying that JG had something to do with it there was no way that was going to fly.




    Quote Originally Posted by technicalconfusion View Post
    No parent would just leave their kid/throw them in the trash because it was an accident - not if they care about them. Even Dr. G backs this up.

    Now see this is the hurdle I have difficulty getting over. I don't know how much of it is me not wanting to believe a mother could do this to her child or what, but I just feel ICA is of a completely different kind of species of human. I know sounds crazy but look at her she had a list of imaginary friends that she kept up with on a daily basis. ICA craved attention and was like a chameleon to her boyfriends changing so much about herself to suit them. ICA would probably do anything for guys attention, including chloroforming her kid to get laid.

    So let's just say Caylee dies by overdose and ICA panics but doesn't want to mess up her life so she covers up how Caylee died. She tries to make it look like a kidnap so ICA can be the victim as well and everyone can fawn over her and feed her ego. Because we all know the #1 person in ICA's world is ICA.

    And just playing Devil's Advocate here, what if Dr. G says 100% of accidents are reported b/c the parent(s) that stage them as murders or kidnappings actually succeed? Just something to think about I suppose.


    Anyway either way Caylee Marie died under the supervision of her mother so ICA is ultimately responsible but I don't know about it being premeditated just yet.

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    she would still get life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina2011 View Post
    she would still get life
    Definitely. Which is what she deserves.

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    I hope we see Jesse testify as well. I believe he is listed on both the state and defense's witness lists. The state is winding down their case. I wonder if they will call him or if they will simply wait to cross-examine him if the defense puts him on the stand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    First thread here so feel free to move if this is in the wrong area

    *****
    Jesse Grund deposition (thanks to ACandyRose.com)

    Date of Affidavit; 07/15/08 22:16
    Offense: Kidnapping
    Date of Offense; 06/09/08
    Subject; Fernandez-Gonzales, Zenaida
    Location; 2863 S. Conway Rd #210 Orlando FL 32812

    <modsnip>

    I, Jesse Grund do hearby voluntarily make the following statement without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor by any persons whomsoever.

    On 7/15/08 at approx. 0005 hours, I received a phone call from a friend, Jeff, who advised me he had recvd a call from an OCSO deputy on Casey Anthony's phone. I called her number, 4076199286, and spoke w/sgt. Hosey, who advised me that Caylee Anthony was missing, and asked me if I had any information. At the time I didn't and hung up. This morning at 0939 hours, I texted (text messaged) Casey to find out what happened. Casey sent me back a text message advising me Caylee had been missing for 32 days, and that, in a second text message, her nanny took her.

    After recalling recent phone conversations I had w/Casey, I remember at phone conversation I had


    w/Casey on the weekend of 6/27/08 at which time Casey asked me to come to Fusian Night Club to cheer me up. I asked Casey if her mom was watching Caylee, as I knew the two had a falling out. Casey told me that Caylee was with the nanny at the beach for the week or weekend (cannot remember specific).

    After contacting Corp. Melich on the phone I went on Casey's myspace and facebook pages and found the following: On facebook Casey Anthony had deleted upwards of 200+ photographs of her, and her w/Caylee. On myspace, she had at one point, over 10 pages of photos of Caylee, now reduced to 4 pages. Casey's personal hobby is photograhy and has had upwards of 300+ photos of Caylee posted online, at any given time.

    During my conversation w/Inv. Analyst McBride, I additionally realled that between the week of 6/22/08 - 7/6/08, I had two odd contacts from Casey Anthony: In that time period, Casey called me to ask if she could use my shower, since she was not staying w/her parents and Tony (her boyfriend) was out of town. The call occured at 10 a.m. but unsure of the specific date. I allowed Casey to use the shower, and when she came over, nothing appeared out of the ordinary. On 7/3/08, Casey texted me "if JG my mom or dad try to call you, don't answer. I will explain it later, but for right now just stay out of it." on 7/4/08, I called her to try and get an explanation but she told me, "It was a long story and I will probably call you when I get drunk to tell you."

    I swear and affirm, the above is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I will testify.

    Very respectfully snipped by me.

    Thank you for this informatiion, I hadn't seen it before. It is indeed interesting.
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    The MO in the past and now with molestation allegations has been to make herself a victim. Jesse was manipulated into hating Cindy and vice versa, which was really a ploy to keep them apart and discovering lies.The only theory that I can see is that there was a plot to make herself a victim in order to be free of the child and get sympathy so that the thefts would be forgotten. There was no need for duct tape covering the airways to accomplish a plot and no need for the child to end up dead. That's it. The computer searches, duct tape, and a dead child prove it. Jesse may be able to add to other testimony about being told that Caylee was with a nanny. If they're not able to bring up all the past lies, then he won't be of help with that or be able to blame Cindy on the stand.

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    KC told Jesse that he was Caylee's father. She stuck to that until his family requested a DNA analysis. The analysis proved he wasn't the father. I remember, way-back-when I read this that I was beside myself to understand how someone could possibly try to hold someone accountable as a father when it was so obvioulsy and unpatently untrue. I also remember that the GRANDPARENTS believed her and obviously went right along with the cherade until his family requested the test! This poor guy, found himself to NOT be the father and still wanted to go ahead a marry her! And the GRANDPARENTS hated him so much they tried to implicate him in Caylee's death. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    During my conversation w/Inv. Analyst McBride, I additionally realled that between the week of 6/22/08 - 7/6/08, I had two odd contacts from Casey Anthony: In that time period, Casey called me to ask if she could use my shower, since she was not staying w/her parents and Tony (her boyfriend) was out of town. The call occured at 10 a.m. but unsure of the specific date. I allowed Casey to use the shower, and when she came over, nothing appeared out of the ordinary. On 7/3/08, Casey texted me "if JG my mom or dad try to call you, don't answer. I will explain it later, but for right now just stay out of it." on 7/4/08, I called her to try and get an explanation but she told me, "It was a long story and I will probably call you when I get drunk to tell you."

    I swear and affirm, the above is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I will testify.
    BBM, who's name on Casey's contact list would be before or after JG's name. I don't think that text was meant for him. Right?
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    As always, this is my humble opinion.

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    Conquer the ill-natured man by goodness.
    Conquer the miser with generosity.
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    I agree that ICA kept her friends separate from her family and it was most likely because if the two sides ever met more lies would be discovered.

    I can only imagine what ICA told her mother to make Jesse look bad.
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    Or she messed up and sent it to the last person she got a text from !!

    Good catch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    On 7/3/08, Casey texted me "if JG my mom or dad try to call you, don't answer. I will explain it later, but for right now just stay out of it." on 7/4/08, I called her to try and get an explanation but she told me, "It was a long story and I will probably call you when I get drunk to tell you."


    BBM, who's name on Casey's contact list would be before or after JG's name. I don't think that text was meant for him. Right?
    I caught that too....why is the JG there?

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    I caught that too....why is the JG there?
    I wonder if JG caught that her text to him included him in the "don't talk to them" part...

    oh the tangled web we weave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina2011 View Post
    I wonder if JG caught that her text to him included him in the "don't talk to them" part...

    oh the tangled web we weave...
    I wonder which of ICA's friends would have known who "JG" was? Was that call meant for Amy? Ryan Pasley, perhaps?

    By the way, I think that the reason ICA called Jesse on the 16th and told him that she was going to have to move out and find another place to live is that Caylee was already dead at that point, so she knew she could not come back home. And, she was hoping JG would feel sorry for her and maybe let her stay at his place for a while.

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