I would give those photos to police to look at,I am sure they don't have all the layout you have which is amazing by the way.It might help them.Pictures do tell a story.
I don't know if it's okay to mention these things (if not would a mod please delete) but here are a couple of tidbits:
Today I went by the alley/5 North/Smallwood and there were guys in military uniforms literally on their hands and knees going through the grass.
The other day I was part of the later search party and we were told specifically to look for jewelry items.
While I was handing out fliers I was stopped by a couple of homeless guys. They told me that they also had heard a girl scream around 4:15 am as they were walking to the woods behind the ReStore (this is almost directly across 11th from 5 North apartments). They aren't the ones who are mentioned in the Herald-Times article, although both said they've given statements to the police.
They also said that some other homeless people saw LS with a group of men on the Hill. The Hill (there's an actual name for the apartment complex but I can't remember what it is) is a public housing complex not far from 5 North (it's further away from downtown on 11th street). It's pretty rough for Bloomington's standards and there are a lot of drugs in that area.
Now, I'll state here that this makes no sense to me. Talk about different worlds, but I'll throw it out there because it's what these guys told me.
These guys--and, apparently, the homeless population--think that LS is the victim of a stranger abduction and that she won't be found.
When I searched Sunday I rewalked her route with WS in mind since most of you can't actually be here. The beginning of the alley is really uneven and it would be awful to try to navigate drunk, in the dark, with no shoes. There is gravel everywhere. It starts at the parking garage under Smallwood and ends at 5 North. Once you get between the apartment building between the two (I can't remember its name but you walk by its pool and dumpster) it becomes smoother, narrows (before it is 'open' on either side--there's a parking lot, someone's back yard, construction gravel lot) so that there are walls on either side, and there are cameras.
If one of the guys from 5 North wanted to get their car to move her body they would have to be on camera unless they weren't parked at the complex (which doesn't make any sense, as downtown parking is ridiculous).
CR/MB and JR's apartments are facing 11th street. They literally open their front doors to the sidewalk and then 11th is right there on the other side of the sidewalk. There's no grass median or anything. Both have LS missing posters on their windows and doors. The westbound lane of 11th street was closed when LS disappeared (it's all closed now because of construction) so only eastbound traffic could go that way. Directly across the street is the skeleton of a new apartment building, then to the west is a grass field, an abandoned car dealership, and the ReStore. Behind all of that is the woods and railroad tracks where many of the homeless people sleep.
*If* a stranger grabbed LS it would have been easiest to do between JR's apartment and College. It's dark, there would have been no cars coming from the opposite direction, and it's not a terribly busy street compared to some other cross streets. Of course, JR said he saw her go to the corner so...
However, the ground slants some on the way to the corner and I wonder if JR could have really seen her on the corner. I'm only a couple of inches taller than LS and my friend, who stood by JR's door while I walked to the corner, couldn't see me once I got there. Besides, he would have had to have been standing outside because his front door faces 11th street, not College.
Once you get to College there are still no cameras until you get to Salzmann's office, which is at 10th and College (his cameras face his parking lot, though). Cars coming up College would just be coming over a little hill so you wouldn't have been able to see LS, pull over, and grab her unless you were just creeping along looking for someone (and that's not obvious, lol).
Still, there's a little alleyway/driveway between 10th and 11th streets that someone could be waiting at in a vehicle. And once she got to 10th Street there would be room for a car to pull over on College. There's really nowhere she could have ran to if someone came up on her, as there are stores there and all would obviously have been closed.
Even when I got to her block I didn't see any obvious cameras until I got to Smallwood's awning, where there's a bubble camera.
I walked right into Smallwood. A Hinds security guy walked through with his lunch and said hi to me. There's no front desk or anything right there. A girl got on the elevator and I didn't see her use a keycard or anything (which isn't to say there isn't something on the elevator you have to swipe to get it to move) but I didn't want to be any creepier than I probably already was so I left.
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According to that picture of the frat house (assuming he lived in the main one and not in an annex house...which is common at my university), his house is at 1412 N. Jordan
Just google mapped it to LS's apartment complex...it said about a 2 mile drive...34 minute walk. Just for reference
Last edited by ncbuckeyecb; 06-14-2011 at 09:36 PM. Reason: More info
In RE to cipius: He's in an off-campus Jewish fraternity with no house referred to as APES. Long story short: they were kicked off campus for one reason another when they were known as AEPi. This past year AEPi was started again and will have a house on campus, but none of the existing members of the off-campus fraternity were allowed into the new AEPi and they can no longer refer to themselves as AEPi brothers, so they go by APES.
O/T....Another little girl was kidnapped this evening while riding her bike 2 hours north of Bloomington in Tipton Ind.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140261"]IN IN - Serena Weicht, 10, Tipton, 14 June 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
The window of opportunity for someone to have happened across her seems nill to me. Like, maybe a few seconds from when she was out of sight of JR and when she got to the little alley way where a car could have been waiting for her.
If any of the POI's vehicles had left their apts though, with all the cameras in the area I just don't see how they've not been named suspects at this point. Maybe CR's car was seen leaving by LE, and that's why they wanted to check it, IDK.
IMO something happened while partying with JR or someone was waiting specifically for her to walk by the alley.
Gosh girl, where are you...what happened?!
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
Gabriel Johnson and Sylar Newton. Come home safely Gabriel Johnson! RIP Sweet Sylar.
For the locals,where do these homeless people hang out or stay or do they wander all over.Just wondering how they know so much.
According to the public arrest records, JW address in 9/2010 was on the 600th block of E. 9th street. On Google Maps, it's approx. 12 mins to CR apt.
In previous posts, I put [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6653407#post6653407"]pictures of the alley[/ame] that runs from 9th St. to 11th Street, between Morton St., and College Ave.
A post of [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6655043#post6655043"]pictures of the 10th & College Ave[/ame]. area.
Pictures of some of [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6655694#post6655694"]the alley cameras[/ame]
Pictures of the area [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6656930#post6656930"]between 10th and 11th street[/ame] between Morton St, and College Ave. fucused on looking for a handrail, since thats where her keys were reported to have been found.
An unprofessional, hacked together attempt at a [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6656047#post6656047"]"map"[/ame], for a visual aid.
And ealier today, [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6678422#post6678422"]pictures of Morton St.[/ame], and the alley between Morton & College Ave.
I have a few more pictures now.
Moving back up North on Morton St. There are no security cameras on this block that I can see.
You are already aware of the pictures of [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6656930#post6656930"]gravel lot, the back of 5 North Apartments, and the side view of 5 North Apartments[/ame].
The next building on Morton is 5 North where the boys live. It faces 11th St.
Here is their dumpster. It says Sears & Son.
Corner of Morton St. & 11th St. 5 North Apartments, where the boys live.
Across the street from 5 North. The ReStore, and a couple of abandoned buildings.
Facing East toward College Ave. walking in front of 5 North.
Further East, looking toward College Ave. At the end of 5 North Apartments. This is the end of the alley that goes to Smallwood.
Looking right, (South), down the alley toward Smallwood.
Stil going East, the next building is another apartment building. Don't know its name, and although its small, there is nowhere to go to get it all in one image. The other side of the street is closed due to construction.
Between buildings, looking south.
Moving farther East toward College Ave. This is the last house on the block.
Looking across the street (11th St.) at the construction.
Construction (Continued) at the North East corner of 11th & College Ave.
Across the street at the North West corner of 11th & College. The Lofts Apartments
Across College Ave. on the South West corner of 11th & College.
We'll take a walk down College Ave. in the Next Posting.
Last edited by Btown; 06-14-2011 at 10:34 PM.
I do not think their comments should be thrown out...but I do think they should be taken into account through a filter of fact vs. suspicion--and their overall mental health.
I think it is quite likely that LE does not have all the cell records, if any..
As shefner has shared with us she has unfortunately had to go what is a parents worst nightmare of having your child go Missing and having not a clue where they are.. She probably could shed some light here as I know that she shared her personal experience of attempting to get her very own son's cell phone records when he went Missing.. Hoping of course that it would yield an idea of where to locate him.. She was not legally allowed, even tho being his very own mother still yet the red tape of not being legally allowed to have access to his cell records.. It was only by the grace of God that the woman whom she was speaking with from the phone company's heart was most likely softened by this mother's desperate plea to try and find her son..
As I said she may be able to shed a little light on the dufficulty of getting access to such type records..
That being said even with a person possibly giving permission to access their records LE still has to go the legal route for reasons of having such evidence admissible in court if it ever need be.. So just like in Hailey Dunn's case tho her mother supposedly signed the waiver for LE to access all her cell phone records they still had to go the correct legal route by going thru the courts to obtain a subpoena and then at that time serving the subpoena on Verizon wireless in tht particular case.
I know due to the legalities of this red tape having to be gone thru that this records were a couple weeks in becoming available in full to LE..
So IMO I'd say it is quite likely that they do not have those all important records yet.. Atleast not in full I am certain that they do not yet have..