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    MN - Isanti Co., WhtMale Skeletal 499UMMN, 20-28, distinctive smile, Aug'03

    the skeletal remains of a white male age 20-28 were found on Aug 17, 2003 in Isanti, MN. The UID was estimated to be 5'10". only skeletal finding was a prior healed fractured rib.

    UID was estimated to have been dead for 2 years.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/8832
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    on Nov. 10, 2002, a 20 y.o. college student named Joshua Guimond was last seen in St. Joseph, MN. per his namus profile, Joshua was 5'10". no reference to a rib fracture:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/312/2/

    I looked at mapquest and the distance between the two locations is 60 miles.

    not a whole lot to go on especially since the UID was just skeletal, but given the height, age and general proximity, you'd think they would have checked this possibility out already.

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    huh. I remember reading about this when these remains were found. The county paper had the same reconstruction as the DN has, so i figured the remains were of a native american.

    The dates regarding how old the remains are seem to have changed a bit. In this link: http://s10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t17213.htm from early 2007 says the estimated date of death is between 3-28 years prior to discovery, and the current page for DN says between 24 and 33 years. The first link also has the age range listed as 25-35 years old instead of 20-28.

    Also, the big thing one these remains is that the teeth had an odd pattern. If the reconstruction of the mouth is accurate then the deceased had a large gap between what I think should be the left front and 1st left canine (#6 & #7 if I am looking at the dental chart right). There is one picture of JG smiling where I can see his top teeth, and too me they look pretty well aligned with one another.

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    thanks buffetoflies. did not realize there was a reconstruction at Doe Network. here is the link:

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/499ummn.html

    he does look Native American and they claim he might have been buried for up to 28 years.

    as for the hair color, etc., this is what DN had to say:

    Other facial details, such as the size of the ears and nose, and hair and eye color, are not known and reflect the best guess of the artist.

    so the key things are the shape of the head and the teeth.

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    Darn...oh well...

    Thank you for thinking of Joshua, Webrocket, and thank you for caring...

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    I tried to look at Joshua's teeth versus the UID's as found on the DN reconstruction. it looks like the UID has a significant gap between tooth #9 and #10. Joshua looks like he has a gap between tooth #10 and #11.

    I have no luck zooming images and posting them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I tried to look at Joshua's teeth versus the UID's as found on the DN reconstruction. it looks like the UID has a significant gap between tooth #9 and #10. Joshua looks like he has a gap between tooth #10 and #11.

    I have no luck zooming images and posting them here.
    Upper teeth are numbered right-to-left (1 to 16).

    The UID's gap is on his right side, and appears not to be a "gap", but rather, a missing tooth (#7) between the right-canine (#6) and a right-central incisor (#8). The tooth on his right (or viewer's left) side of the gap is a pointed tooth, so I am thinking it's a canine (#6), and not a lateral incisor (#7).

    The dental chart indicates that #7 is missing postmortem, but I think that's a mistake. I don't think that they would show a model of the person's teeth showing that empty space if the tooth was lost after death.

    Joshua does appear to have a gap on the right side, but it looks to me like it's between #6 and #7. He could have lost the #7 after death (or after the photo was taken), but it looks to me like it would have left a bigger space if he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Upper teeth are numbered right-to-left (1 to 16).

    The UID's gap is on his right side, and appears not to be a "gap", but rather, a missing tooth (#7) between the right-canine (#6) and a right-central incisor (#8). The tooth on his right (or viewer's left) side of the gap is a pointed tooth, so I am thinking it's a canine (#6), and not a lateral incisor (#7).

    The dental chart indicates that #7 is missing postmortem, but I think that's a mistake. I don't think that they would show a model of the person's teeth showing that empty space if the tooth was lost after death.

    Joshua does appear to have a gap on the right side, but it looks to me like it's between #6 and #7.
    I must have looked at the dental chart facing the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I must have looked at the dental chart facing the wrong way.
    Dental charts read from the viewer's perspective, not the charted person's perspective.

    So the UID's upper-right teeth (1-8) would be on the viewer's left.

    Kind of confusing.

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    for what it is worth, there is but one rule out on this case and it is Joshua Guimond. so maybe LE or the ME's office checks out this page.

    can't hurt if others are suggested.


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    Christopher Kerze has been ruled out

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    Kenneth Tank
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tank_kenneth.html

    William Underhill
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...l_william.html

    I though their facial structure was similar to the UID, but unfortunately they don't show their teeth or have a lot of info on them. I felt that I kind of owed it to the guy to take some time and look.
    Matthew 19:26

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    Wondering about this one:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13136/

    A larger photo is available here, and you can see the teeth pattern:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/36799



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