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    Forensic Astrology - LAUREN SPIERER -Last Seen 6/3/11 Bloomington, IN

    http://www.usatoday.com/video/index....d/987291473001

    Looks like I am not the only one who now believes that Lauren met with Foul Play (see link Video) for background and Case Requests thread:

    NATAL SUNRISE CHART:

    I’d be looking for a murdered young woman, who more then likely was “shot” (BAM in this chart being transited by Saturn! Also TR BAM makes a connection via conjunction with natal Pallas.

    The likelihood or probability which is the natal promise of this chart, suggests a strong probability of being kidnapped and/or strange events which can include, separation from loved ones with Uranus quincunx to Jupiter and Jupiter (our luck) overall in harsh condition in this natal chart.

    She has Jupiter opposing Venus, opposing her Moon, BiQ to Mercury and Jupiter quincunx Uranus and square to Pluto!

    That is a lot of harshness for what we like to believe that Jupiter is about our luck or lack of it. Because TR Bam is also over her natal Pallas Athena, (we see also that Jupiter is semi-square to Pallas) in her natal chart, hence, not good here for longevity, after she was kidnapped off the street between 4-4:30AM
    Asteroid Persophone we use for indications of abduction, rape, as she was in mythology, the daughter of Ceres/Demeter, and said to have been kidnapped by Pluto.
    In this natal chart, we can see [B]Transiting Persophone conj. natal [/B]Atropos (cutting the ties with the earth)via abduction. We can also see over her natal Persophone, Transiting South Node is at 23 degrees Gemini, when she was taken.

    When she was born, her natal Sun was combust to natal Saturn, that brings about woe and distress into the life, having the Sun overshadowed by the demands of Saturn’s vibrations. Her natal Saturn is also conjunct her North Node of the Moon, showing us this was a fated position for her to have Saturn overtaking her Sun (personality) symbol.

    We can see also, transiting Moira (a 2nd indication of death) moving to a conjunction with natal Pluto at 20Scorpio, which opposes her natal Mars in the critical 29th Anaretic degree of Taurus.

    Look carefully at this natal Mars for Lauren, her physical body, and you will see Transiting Venus and Transiting Mercury (conj. the Weeping Sisters) a constellation which bodes no good fortune for her, as her natal Mars is in the sign of it’s Detriment.

    Transiting Atropos (a death asteroid) also moves along with TR Pluto (death and control, transformation) over her natal Mercury in Capricorn conjunct to Uranus.
    These are very very ominous transits for this chart or this personality.
    Transiting Lachesis (see my avatar of the moirae) completes the transits of the 3 major asteroids for death and choosing the time of death.



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    Thank you for the time you put into this, LeoMoon. This is so sad.

    Lauren apparently had a heart condition called Long QT Syndrome.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lon...ndrome/DS00434

    According to the site: "Long QT syndrome (LQTS) is a heart rhythm disorder that can potentially cause fast, chaotic heartbeats. These rapid heartbeats may trigger a sudden fainting spell or seizure. In some cases, your heart may beat erratically for so long that it can cause sudden death."

    Could this also account for BAM, rather than an actual shot from a weapon?

    Also, one of the media speculations has been possible drug OD - could that combined with her condition account for BAM too?

    Is there any way to tell from the chart where she was taken, who she was taken by, and where she may be now?

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    Lauren Spierer, abducted from Bloomington IND.

    Event 4:15AM June 3, 2011:

    When we look at most of the Event charts of the past, we often will see either Jupiter, Moira, Atropos, Persophone or Saturn or Mars in the 12th house and near the ASC. In this case, as in the prior chart’s case, we see Jupiter in the 12th and conjunct the ASC in a very critical or last degree of Jupiter…the end of the sign suggesting, the end of the rope for this case.

    The AC is 0Taurus, considered a critical degree as it does conjunct fixed star “Altair” the Eagle.

    As such, it denotes ambition (in this case) the ambitious taking of a young girl off the street at 4:15AM that morning. Venus, ruler of Taurus Rising, is found in the 1st house conjunct Mars.

    The vehicle which housed the abducted, is found in the 3rd house “Hades” at the 29th degree 47min. conjunct to the Moon (co-ruler of the chart) 29 degrees 45minutes conjunct Kronos (TNP symbolizing
    “The ultimate in authority” and all oppose the 9th house of long distance travel, Pluto (control, death, transformation) conjunct Atropos (death)

    The 4th house (end of the matter) which is naturally ruled by the Moon (found critical in the 3rd house of short travel) is also containing a dire message, for it contains Vulcanus, the TNP which shows “intensity, a mighty force, in the extreme” Sheer physical power.

    Have the LE any idea who to look at for this kidnapping event?
    I’d suggest looking at all of her past affairs of the heart, for the 6th house of decision making, is ruled by Mercury found in the 1st along with the young woman and Mars, …….and the 6th house “BAM” asteroid is also conjunct to Juno (revenge and jealousy)
    Of course, Juno is often in murder case charts, and sometimes strangers, but it would still be worth it to check first the known relationships imo, those that went badly or broke up.

    Cupido is found in the 8th conjunct the North Node which puts the South Node conjunct to “Hades” suggests an emotional connection too, and keywords here include "social ties, group affiliations", (combining the glyphs of Venus & Jupiter)

    Mars rules the 7th house of “others” and as such, found again, with Venus in the 1st – Mars being quite a symbol of outright violence in this chart, so it’s within the realm of possibility, it’s a stranger too although I'm more inclined to think she knew him or them.

    The 12th house of imprisonment, ruled naturally by Pisces (ruler is Neptune)_ found in the 11th house of friendships and circumstance – and found the cusp in the sign of it’s own ruler (Aquarius)….so very strong here.

    Asteroid Lachesis (part of the Moirae) is here conjunct Vesta (the virgin) and the sacrifice – and in a sign which I’d consider (for this chart alone due to it’s other planetary positions), quite cold and calculating, and not one to trifle with. This may not be an affair of the heart, but it could easily be revenge or someone who hates women, perhaps this one in particular. For it does appear to be an emotionally driven chart. With cold calculation behind the emotions of rage and anger.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowAngels View Post
    Thank you for the time you put into this, LeoMoon. This is so sad.

    Lauren apparently had a heart condition called Long QT Syndrome.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lon...ndrome/DS00434

    According to the site: "Long QT syndrome (LQTS) is a heart rhythm disorder that can potentially cause fast, chaotic heartbeats. These rapid heartbeats may trigger a sudden fainting spell or seizure. In some cases, your heart may beat erratically for so long that it can cause sudden death."

    Could this also account for BAM, rather than an actual shot from a weapon?

    Also, one of the media speculations has been possible drug OD - could that combined with her condition account for BAM too?

    Is there any way to tell from the chart where she was taken, who she was taken by, and where she may be now?
    The question of the heart problem, may be seen by her Jupiter and Chiron, with the Midpoint between the two, the Square from Jupiter to Pluto (death) via heart problem (Leo rules the heart of a person) ...
    and Jupiter can be "overabundance" perhaps of heartbeats or irregular heartbeat.

    However, that would not account for BAM being in the picture of this chart transit. That would be a stretch, and not really logical to assume, imo.

    There are some Astrologers who are pretty good at location in the Event Charts. Perhaps one of them will chime in on this thread and give their opinion as to "where" geographically she may have been taken or now can be found.

    note added:
    Midpoint between Chiron & Jupiter is 2 degrees6min. Leo/AQ - the Aorta of the heart is said to be a potential designation for the 2nd degree of Leo.
    Last edited by Leomoon80; 06-15-2011 at 05:16 PM. Reason: add midpoint degree note
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    Leomoon ... Bam=shot.

    Instead of with a gun, could this be with a needle (drugs)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox View Post
    Leomoon ... Bam=shot.

    Instead of with a gun, could this be with a needle (drugs)?
    Anything is possible, but the question in the charts, is "is it probable?"

    I looked (because of your question) at Asteroid ANUBIS (suicide) which of course someone with a heart defect, who might take drugs would of course, be effectively commmitting suicide.

    Anubis in Lauren's natal chart falls at 1 degree Taurus or conjunct the Ascendent in the Event chart.

    The 5th house rules recreation, and there are no planets there, but the Sun rules this house found in the 2nd of the Event chart at 12 degrees Gemini and opposing Lauren's BML at 19SAG.

    The Part of Fortune found in the 12th house squares the MC and opposes Saturn so death is the result more then likely.

    Jupiter on the ASC, in the 12th may show an overdose, but Uranus in the
    12th house of isolation and imprisonment, suggests the unexpected occurred connected with the vehicle at 4:15AM.

    I'm going out now, but will revisit this thread later on, and use some Arabic Lots unless someone else does this first, which also would be more then welcomed by me.
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Thank you Leomoon for these charts for Lauren. I have a question about this part

    The vehicle which housed the abducted, is found in the 3rd house “Hades” at the 29th degree 47min. conjunct to the Moon (co-ruler of the chart) 29 degrees 45minutes conjunct Kronos (TNP symbolizing
    “The ultimate in authority” and all oppose the 9th house of long distance travel, Pluto (control, death, transformation) conjunct Atropos (death)
    Bolded by me: does this mean she was taken a long distance away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovejac View Post
    Thank you Leomoon for these charts for Lauren. I have a question about this part



    Bolded by me: does this mean she was taken a long distance away?

    Sorry, I cannot tell just yet. However, Pluto in the 9th conj. Atropos tells me she is dead. The 9th may indeed be showing she has been taken away from the place or locale she disappeared in, and what we might consider "relatively" further area away from the street last seen. "Relative" meaning a distance further away, but how far, I cannot say yet.

    OR the 9th may be saying that the LE will discover the body before long.


    I'm not too conversant with locational astrology to find a body as some others might be. But I'll be working on it.
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Much of the early morning of June 3, her movements were caught on surveillance video and are documented down to the minute. The timeline thins out considerably after 2:51 a.m., when police say they have only witness accounts of her movements -- including the last sight of her at 4:30 a.m.


    Here’s the timeline:
    1:46 a.m. — Enters Kilroy’s Sports Bar.
    2:27 a.m. — Exits Kilroy’s
    2:48 a.m. — Enters a North/South alley between 10th and College Apartments and 10th and College Village.
    2:51 a.m. — Exits the alley, heading toward an empty lot north of 10th & College Village Apartments.
    4:30 a.m. — Last seen at 11th and College Ave.


    Bloomington Police released enhanced images Wednesday from Morton Mansions apartments' security cameras that show a white four-door short-bed truck with writing on the doors and rear panel traveling along 10th and Morton streets twice in a 10-minute period early June 3.

    The vehicle, believed to be a mid-2000 Chevrolet Silverado full-size truck or a mid-size Chevrolet Colorado, has high-quality rims and was seen with equipment in the back as it traveled west on 10th and north on Morton at 4:14 a.m. and again at 4:24 a.m.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20110616/LOCAL/106160396/Police-release-timeline-for-IU-student-Lauren-Spierer?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|LOCAL
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    Hello,

    Been a member for a while but this is my first time posting. My belief is that the white truck has nothing to do with Lauren. I think Lauren never made it out of Rossman's apartment building. The whole white truck thing may be an excuse by LE to bring in the FBI on a case that now stumps them.

    Before leaving Rossman's building recounts Hadir Tamir (Lauren's room mate getting information from Jay Rosenbaum) Spierer used Rosenbaum's phone to call Rohn to see if he knew where her phone was.

    Mike Rohn's lawyer, Mr. Chapman, who represented Rohn in a prior public intoxication case and spoke with him in recent days about his interactions with Spierer, would only say that that "somebody" called Rohn at 4:15 a.m. and that "he didn't answer his phone because he was in bed."

    Jay Rosenbaum was gentleman enough to watch Spierer as she left, but apparently not gentleman enough to walk her home.

    My feeling is that Rosenbaum’s concern is disingenuous. According to the story Rosenbaum told Tamir we can infer that Spierer, in her intoxicated state in spite of knowing him for a long time did not feel comfortable enough to stay for a few more hours in his apartment, and Rosenbaum was not concerned enough to walk her home. Does this sound right to you?

    < MOD- chart link removed.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-20-2011 at 11:21 AM.


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    I'd be most curious to see the Links you used concerning the information posted, as well .........(if you have it to share?) As well as the Arabic Lots link that gives you the Part of Addiction?

    The exact time of the chart is? (Presumed death of Lauren Chart posted does not show up ) Is this from an autopsy report?

    Thanks in advance,

    Leomoon
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-19-2011 at 08:16 AM. Reason: removed quote from previous post, chart was wrong city
    "The Greek word moira (μοῖρα) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one's portion in life or destiny.
    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Sorry,

    Presumed time of death comes from what I see in the charts:


    The Arabic Chart Calculator is quite good, being a free online tool. I've used it many times and have found it to be quite helpful:

    http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/a...arts/index.php


    For media information the following links:

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110612/NEWS02/106120429/Lauren-Spierer-s-roommate-shares-details-night-before-her-disappearance?
    odyssey=nav%7Chead


    http://legalpublication.blogspot.com...e-puzzles.html

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...ad%3Cbr%20/%3E

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110615/NEWS02/106150326



    I hope all this helps to answer your questions.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-19-2011 at 08:47 AM. Reason: removed quote from earlier post re: chart w/wrong city

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    Quote Originally Posted by starrynightastro View Post
    Sorry,

    Presumed time of death comes from what I see in the charts:
    <MOD removed>

    The Arabic Chart Calculator is quite good, being a free online tool. I've used it many times and have found it to be quite helpful:

    http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/a...arts/index.php


    For media information the following links:

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110612/NEWS02/106120429/Lauren-Spierer-s-roommate-shares-details-night-before-her-disappearance?
    odyssey=nav%7Chead


    http://legalpublication.blogspot.com...e-puzzles.html

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...ad%3Cbr%20/%3E

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110615/NEWS02/106150326

    I hope all this helps to answer your questions.
    Welcome ! I'm so glad to hear your reading on this case.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-20-2011 at 11:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starrynightastro View Post
    Sorry,

    Presumed time of death comes from what I see in the charts:

    <MOD removed>


    The Arabic Chart Calculator is quite good, being a free online tool. I've used it many times and have found it to be quite helpful:

    http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/a...arts/index.php


    For media information the following links:

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110612/NEWS02/106120429/Lauren-Spierer-s-roommate-shares-details-night-before-her-disappearance?
    odyssey=nav%7Chead


    http://legalpublication.blogspot.com...e-puzzles.html

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...ad%3Cbr%20/%3E

    http://www.lohud.com/article/20110615/NEWS02/106150326


    I hope all this helps to answer your questions.
    Thanks it does!

    I know the moderator use to be rather strict about presuming or presumptions (types of charts) and usually wants us to present our evidence with Links from only the Reported Events (especially when including names for folks with links for the names ) for posting of charts . But you did answer my questions and for that I thank you.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-20-2011 at 11:19 AM.
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Leomoon 80 wrote: I know the moderator use to be rather strict about presuming or presumptions (types of charts) and usually wants us to present our evidence with Links from only the Reported Events (especially when including names for folks with links for the names"
    Thank you for telling me. I will keep that in mind for future posts.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-19-2011 at 08:51 AM.

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