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    If ICA does testify, can the state then call her up as a rebuttal witness or are they limited to discuss only the issues raised by the DT turning their direct?


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    What is it that is "exactly what I'm talking about"? This is driving me batty. I probably should take a break.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GennyMac View Post
    I went back and watched the video of what little bit of proceedings we had this morning and was caught by the following. Video Here: http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv?f.../l/XZ_qhfMF2oM

    JA again has to bring attention to another possible discovery infraction by JB
    JB accuses judge and SA of fabricating issues, says enough is enough, the DT is not willing to go into these issues, then begins to backslide into "Well we'll tailor the testimony to only include what was in the depo, take out slides, yada yada yada" HHJP basically says, I'll look at the documentation and decide for myself. Mason then begins mumbling about something requiring a sidebar and JUST AS he begins to speak into the mic, the asst attys on DT hands JB this document he just walked in with. JB seems to be distracted and begins reading in earnest.

    All attys walk to sidebar. Watch what happens from the 20:37 mark.
    Mason begins to speak to HHJP, JB interrupts him with hand gestures, Mason's reaction is something like 'whoa there sonnie, let me deal with this'.
    Mason begins to speak again, but JB starts pulling back, taps Mason on the back, then asks for a brief moment alone with Mason.

    Mason concurs, JB & Mason step away. Look at HHJP's facial expressions. SA turns away to try and keep from looking at each other and falling apart (my opinion) JA stands there nodding his head up and down like "yea yea yea yea knew this was gonna happen"
    Mason and JB step back up to sidebar, Mason begins speaking again.
    He then begins to present something to HHJP, HHJP says "fine, ok" and they all walk away.

    The DT all walks directly into the holding area with ICA, whereupon a conversation about some serious subject begins. The courtroom (Kathy B reports) can hear Mason's raised voice at his team. They return, another convo takes place, all gods children go into chambers with HHJP. During this one of the junior attys tells ICA they need to go back into the holding area, ICA tries to put her off so she can read the live transcript of what is going on in chambers, but junior atty will not be put off and ICA is marched back into holding for a convo (putting some documentation together?) with junior atty.

    All god's children come back and we are in recess.

    Jean C reported this morning that she was told during her CM interview that he and JB would be 'splitting' the examinations. That didn't happen and now she has been told that CM will be much more involved in dealing with the witnesses from here on out.

    My comments (sorry so long guys) is this - JB has F****D up discovery to the point that CM's reputation is now taking a hit (in CM's mind if not in reality) and he's not going to sit back any longer and let JB bring him down along with this pointless defense.

    I think we have either an attorney in trouble, or we have a witness in trouble - both of which could directly impact a lawyer's reputation/license. I really think JB has done something, or ignored something that was done, to his team's detriment. Man I hope this does not turn into a mistrial.

    The other thing I saw and I've read one tweet but cannot find it now, is that JA returned the copies of the slide show to JB, and I guess they have decided not to use it at all. I think it was KB, but am still looking. That would have been the 'flying saucer' document discussed below this post.
    Exactly what I'm thinking! And if that IS the case, good for CM.
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    JMO

    This is crunch time and the moment to distroy GA. Everyone since opening statements knew their game plan and now is the moment to do the dirty deed.

    I think there may be a fraction of a heart in her and she refused to let Jose move forward with the plan.

    JMO
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    JVM just suggested that what if the defense told JP that GA was going to testify he DID abuse Casey...and the state insisted on deposing and/or charging him with perjury today? I don't think this is the case, but I could see the logic, sort of...
    Just my opinion, of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeSeeker1960 View Post
    The only way JB can prove his OS is by one of two things:

    1) ICA testifies -- not smart due to her lies

    2) Have someone else testify to the molestation i.e., LA/GA saying they did it OR LA/GA testify they walked in on the other in the act....which would eliminate ICA taking the stand & save her from LDB!

    What if JB thought he had it made when CA decided to take the blame for the computer searches & ladder? Then, CA made LA jump on board in an effort to save his sister.....but he can't bring himself to say it....can't lie per mommy's instructions.....so they're back to square one....and #1 above.

    IMO, since I watched the 'pointing video' of CA, GA has had a different demeanor about him...yes, they're still close but I sense something! It's almost as if something is bothering him....CA helping DT maybe. I don't think GA is going along with CA and will lie....maybe LA heard this conversation of CA trying to convince GA to admit to it...which prompted LA to say, I'll do it...then couldn't, hence the crying... Your thoughts?

    Sorry if I talk in circles, slept late, only 1 cup of coffee.
    I only had 4 hours of sleep last night, so maybe I am thinking in circles along with you, but your post sounds very likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamom View Post
    Listening to this whole thing, I am getting the feeling that JB has resigned. I think when JA made a fuss about the "new" evidence. JB has made this mistake over and over again. I think this info would help to prove there was no cholorform in the trunk and the jury hearing this could save her from the DP. JB wants it in and is willing to take the bullet for the mishap so that the judge does not punish KC. So JA is staying to take the deposition of the new info and as punishement, JB is down as lead attorney to avoid further contemp charges and public reprimand. The conversation was ex-parte was the judge and the DT informing KC of the situation.

    Court recessed so that CM could prepare for the testimony on Monday of witness JB was suppose to call to the stand.
    Really?

    I really don't think JB even knows that he is messing up. I also don't think JB would ever try to step down, he is working on that position with Telemundo after all, lol! With that said, he cannot just resign. There would have to be some really great reasons for the Judge to sign off on that Court Order. Not just that JB realizes his is incompetent.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenlover View Post
    They are not supposed to be discussing the case between themselves at all. If they were and laughing it up about the case it would be violation of JP's admonitions and be cause for a mistrial (which I guess would be a good siggn for the DT) So if they were laughing it up it probably had nothing to do with the case at all.
    They were probably laughing along with HHJP over something kind and sweet that HHJP said to them. He's very thoughtful over this jury and keenly aware that this meant another day longer for them before they can go home to their families. I am guessing he was mentioning some possibilities of outings or special dinners or whatever he could arrange for them this weekend to ease some of the stress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    1. Rodriquez issue
    2. Defense Table Issue
    3. Issue regarding Kronk's phone trace
    4. Issue regarding how JA knew LA had met with Baez
    5. Misconduct any of which could be issue
    Judicial Bias, Some claim against SA, Rodriquez issue, witness tampering
    6. Plea deal
    7. Jury Issue

    The fact that LKB did not blurt it out this morning means it is something that happened suddenly and she didn't know about it is my guess.

    All just my guesses of what it could be and it will be investigated over the weekend.
    1. JP said not Rodruquez issue. Plus, unless it involved a matter of national security, jp could not seal the transcript or exclude the SA.
    3 -6. Could not exclude SA or seal transcript.
    7. Could not exclude SA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grandmaj View Post
    1. Rodriquez issue
    2. Defense Table Issue
    3. Issue regarding Kronk's phone trace
    4. Issue regarding how JA knew LA had met with Baez
    5. Misconduct any of which could be issue
    Judicial Bias, Some claim against SA, Rodriquez issue, witness tampering
    6. Plea deal
    7. Jury Issue

    The fact that LKB did not blurt it out this morning means it is something that happened suddenly and she didn't know about it is my guess.

    All just my guesses of what it could be and it will be investigated over the weekend.
    Your list gave me a "light bulb".

    Your #1 - the Rodriguez issue. We know the wiki entry was edited to say that Dr. Rodriguez was a co-founder of the Body Farm. Then it was edited back out. It was said that the actual members of the Body Farm were "concerned" that this rodriguez guy was claiming that. What if Rodriguez satates that the Body Farm ruse was all JB's idea? Say Rodriguez swore to it in a depo under oath - told what JB said to him, etc. etc.

    Would that cause court to be shut down until Monday and why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMeDeb View Post
    Yeah I found that interesting. Would he need to cover his butt if something wasn't going on with him?

    I also thought it was interesting, he should be looking at evidence..etc to help his client. Instead he is watching HLN?

    Yes this seems to be where they are getting their information from about how well they are doing, I often wonder if they realize that at least 90% of people just aren't buying what they are selling.
    Presumably IS are stroking his ego for when the verdict is read, BOMBSHELL!!! KC IS GUILTY....then they can milk it even more on the whys and wherefores of what went wrong. Makes me sick that attorneys connected with a DP case are allowed to try their case behind the scenes with the aid of the media.


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    In a way, I think a mistrial would be the best thing at this point. Baez has messed up so badly that a guilty verdict would probably be set aside via appeal. They are going to have to start all over again one way or another.

    Baez should go (bow out or be booted) and competent, non-obstinate counsel should represent Casey. They would probably finish sooner if they start over with new defense counsel than if Baez is allowed to continue. This pace and the errors and his lack of ability to even phrase a question without a sustained objection impedes the "best defense under the law" right of the defendant. And believe me, I am not a member of her fan club...

    This trial isn't heading toward "justice" - it's a train wreck. It's just wrong for it to continue to proceed (if that word even applies to the defense case) in this manner. JMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    JVM just suggested that what if the defense told JP that GA was going to testify he DID abuse Casey...and the state insisted on deposing and/or charging him with perjury today? I don't think this is the case, but I could see the logic, sort of...
    I don't think the jury would buy it now though. The ship has sailed for that, unless LA is going to step up and say his dad is lying he saw him do it. Even then I don't think the jury would buy it.
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    Or could it be that CM wants to take over as lead counsel and JB is refusing to step down?


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