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    NY - Hamilton Hts, NYC, Blk/HispFem UP5214, 20-30, earring w/ 'Julissa', Apr'04

    Doe Network: http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase2012.html

    **Post Mortem Photo at Following Link**
    https://identifyus.org/cases/5214

    The Doe Network: Hot Case 2012

    Unidentified White or Hispanic Female


    •The victim was discovered on April 27, 2004 in New York, New York County, New York.
    •Estimated Date of Death: 2004.
    •State of Remains: Recognizable face.
    •Cause of Death: Strangulation.


    Vital Statistics

    •Estimated age: 20-35 years old.
    •Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4" to 5'7" and 150-175 lbs.
    •Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder-length brown hair and brown eyes.
    •Marks, scars: Scars on the left hand at the base of the middle finger
    and first finger; scar on the left wrist. A carving of what appears to be a "J & M" on her arm.
    •Clothing: Tan and black short sleeved shirt, white thermal top, black thermal top,
    gray sport bra, one white sock (right foot), and one gray sock (right foot). With, but not on the body
    were one gray sock and a green/gray jacket
    •Jewelry: Golden hoop earring with "Julissa" emblazoned on it was found close to her body.
    •Dentals: Available. X-rays available.
    •DNA: mtDNA and nucDNA available at FBI NMPDD.
    •Fingerprints: Available.

    Case History

    The victim was found on the street between two parked cars on 617 141st Street near a residential building in Hamilton Heights.
    A tenant in the building rented a room from apartment 64 to three men so that they could "party and have sex" with the decedent.
    An argument broke out and tenant was forced to help wrap the body and leave it on the street with the garbage.

    She was remembered in the neighborhood as a local woman who spoke Spanish with a Dominican accent. She may have gone by the name Julissa.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Investigating Agency:
    New York County Medical Examiner's Office
    212-447-2770
    Benjamin Figura
    Email

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: M04-02424; NamUs 5214


    Source Information:
    NamUs
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-31-2013 at 04:55 PM.

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    Here's a facial reconstruction for this UID. I'll call her "Julissa Doe"

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 09-14-2014 at 02:49 AM. Reason: Revised image

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    Her ruleouts:

    Mindy Arnett 1981 Michigan
    Rachel Good 1983 Virginia
    Carmen Hetrick 1956 Colorado
    Jodi Huisentruit 1968 Iowa
    Deborah Johnson 1971 Arizona
    Suzanne Lyall 1978 New York
    Maura Murray 1982 Massachusetts
    Patricia Viola 1958 New Jersey

    Many of these don't appear particularly likely to speak Spanish with a Dominican accent.

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    for image revision of "Julissa Doe".

    I haven't revised this one in quite awhile. It was much needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here's a facial reconstruction for this UID. I'll call her "Julissa Doe"

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 09-14-2014 at 02:49 AM.

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    I notice Namus says "20 to 30 year old White Female" and Doenetwork says "white or hispanic" but the header on this thread says black.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I notice Namus says "20 to 30 year old White Female" and Doenetwork says "white or hispanic" but the header on this thread says black.
    I'm going by the PM photo. She might be Black/Hispanic, as she was thought to be possibly from the Dominican Republic. Or she might be just black (non-Hispanic). Both her facial features, and her skin color indicate black, IMO

    But no way is she white (non-black non-Hispanic), or white/Hispanic (non-black)

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    bump this up. i had noticed this case before.

    i believe that she was an immigrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I notice Namus says "20 to 30 year old White Female" and Doenetwork says "white or hispanic" but the header on this thread says black.
    I believe the case file said she spoke Spanish with a Dominican accent. Many Dominican people have very dark skin and and African-type hair.

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    Yes I know that. I was questioning the discrepancy is all.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    IMO, she looks slimmer than the reported height of 5'4 and weight of 174 lbs.
    Proverbs 19:17

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    I just calculated the BMI with the reported height and it is just barely under Obese. Looking at the post-mortem and Carl's recon, she does not look obese. I know people show their weight differently and whatnot, but it still seems really improbable that she is "obese".

    I wonder if the weight as 147 lbs., and mislabeled as 174?

    Sorry if I'm stressing a minor point, it's just, she does not look obese, or even overweight, to me.
    Proverbs 19:17

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    I've noticed that in many of our UID's. Faces really don't tell you anything about overall weight or appearance.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Springrain , I agree with Carbuff you really can't judge weight from just the face. Also studies show Blacks in general have greater bone density and muscle mass as compared to their Caucasian counterparts so this may account for part of the weight.

    I'm Black. I'm almost 5'6. I went to the doctor once and she told me at 145 pounds I was probably about 5 pounds over weight. I wore a size 4 and I was so thin you could see my pelvic bone. ( I stopped seeing her because she obviously was not paying attention to me) Now I weigh 175 and wear an 8/10. From the neck up you would probably think I'm a bit chubby (thanks Dad for the chipmunk cheeks) but you would never call me overweight if you saw my whole body.

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    it may be that she carried weight in her thighs and butt. that is how I carry, I am fit looking at 5"8 and 185. (im fatter than that right now but I digress) the traditional BMI states I am obese at that weight but I am not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Springrain View Post
    I just calculated the BMI with the reported height and it is just barely under Obese. Looking at the post-mortem and Carl's recon, she does not look obese. I know people show their weight differently and whatnot, but it still seems really improbable that she is "obese".

    I wonder if the weight as 147 lbs., and mislabeled as 174?

    Sorry if I'm stressing a minor point, it's just, she does not look obese, or even overweight, to me.

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    Also if she was more on the muscular side she would weigh more than she looks, since muscle weighs more than fat. Not sure if that was the case here, but that could affect how she looks as well.

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