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    • Public invited to memorial Mass

      A memorial Mass for Lauren Giddings is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Saturday at St. Joseph Catholic Church, 830 Poplar St., Macon, according to a member of the church staff. The public is invited to attend.



    Read more: http://www.macon.com/2011/07/09/1625...#ixzz1RcHncKdq


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox View Post
    Video shows last time Mercer law grad seen alive, police say
    That must be the Zaxby's right next to Rosehill/Riverside Cemetery a few blocks from the apartment. They had the cadavre dogs out there yesterday too.

    I have wondered about that area as a place to dispose of remains. It is a HUGE sprawling old cemetery next to the river. Lots of old family plots are carved into the side of the hill with retaining walls, each done individually at different angles so around every corner is a new hidden old burial plot with plenty of bushes and some trees. Some are so old/overgrown you have to investigate to tell there is a family plot there. Below that are railroad tracks and then the river (also very isolated, I believe there is a cave there by the river too, local legend has it "Satanists" are believed to have used the cave in the 70's for ritual purposes, I think the Satanist part is urban legend but a fun story to add in).

    I can't imagine how cadavre dogs could effectively search a cemetery like that but I bet they had fun trying. I have taken my dog over there and he loves it, he is endlessly amused as there is so much to "discover" and pee on. Hours and hours and you have only covered a little bit of it, plus very quiet even on weekends.

    When people were talking about whether the killer had a car I thought about that cemetery, it is just 3-4 blocks away and quiet, isolated, with access to the river which is very deserted on that side (there is a paved walk way on the other side for recreation but those folks would be easy to spot). Even on the weekends the few people you see are usually at quite a distance, during the week it is probably almost completely deserted.

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    The only other unsolved homicide in Macon involving dismemberment I can find is that of Edna Baines. Just a thought...that maybe there's a connection between the two cases. I know that Lauren would've been in High School when Ms. Baines was murdered and lived in Maryland at the time, but Ms. Baines had served some time in prison so it's likely she knew some shady characters.

    According to this press release........

    http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR_Lauren_Giddings.html

    .......Lauren was working for a law firm while she attended law school. Might she have met someone at that law firm, or even in school, who was connected to the Baines' case? Might she perhaps have done research into some cold cases, including that of Edna Baines, as an employee of the law firm?


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    A couple of quick things I wanted to add to the discussion.

    1) Has anyone else seen the interview with McD where they told him about finding the torso and it was the first time he heard they had found something? His reaction was VERY awkward. I realize that there is not any "normal" way to react to finding out something like that, but a lot of people that I have talked to thought it was strange. I have tried to find the video online, but every one I find seems to have that part edited out. I don't know if it was something they felt needed to be omitted or what, but his first finding out about the body is definitely on film.

    2) I am pretty sure the boyfriend is really distraught. Word is his last girlfriend (maybe even fiance) committed suicide. So this would most certainly knock the wind out of his sails, to say the least. And although that is unusual, I think it's just a sad happenstance that this poor guy has lost two women. And I do remember police saying somewhere that they have spoken with him.

    It really drives me crazy to think about this case going cold. So until the LE throw their hands up and wave the white flag I will continue to hold onto hope that they have something we might not know about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lomaker View Post
    Has anyone else seen the interview with McD where they told him about finding the torso and it was the first time he heard they had found something? His reaction was VERY awkward. I realize that there is not any "normal" way to react to finding out something like that, but a lot of people that I have talked to thought it was strange.
    It must have been the first part of the extended interview. I didn't see that vid right away so they probably censored it. http://www.13wmaz.com/video/10341146...niel-Interview

    As far as him having an "odd" reaction, he obviously nearly breaks into tears at least once in the above video (when he says Joe is also friend of Giddings, he nearly cries). He is in shock. If he was THAT good of an actor then why would his "reaction" be odd if he put the torso there? He would know they would find it and decide on the appropriate reaction. People's reaction to really shocking news like this varies greatly. Some get immediately emotional, others hear it and feel nothing at all initially, just numbness.

    As far as the boyfriend's previous girlfriend committing suicide....wow! BIG red flag! Probably unrelated, this situation is so very very different in so many ways but the police had to take a strong interest in that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    People's reaction to really shocking news like this varies greatly. Some get immediately emotional, others hear it and feel nothing at all initially, just numbness.
    Yeah, that's why I didn't think it was damning or anything, just strange. I just thought it was worth mentioning, and was curious if anyone else had seen it.

    This may be backtracking a bit, but is it not possible the killer didn't want the torso found? I know we have talked about it being a message or a taunt or game of sorts, but is it possible that the killer really just wanted rid of it and was hopeful it would find it's way to the dump?


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    I don't know. Just seems like to me if the killer didn't want the torso or anything else found, they wouldn't have placed it right in her yard. They could've found a dumpster somewhere or maybe even a neighbor's garbage if they were without a vehicle. The river is not that far away; everything could have been dumped there.

    But placing the torso in the yard is like a challenge from the killer to the police, because they know it was not there the night before. Like a game of chess, taunting them with the fact that they were right there within reach just hours earlier ..... giving the police motivation to continue their search because she is not whole ..... all the while watching from the sidelines & gaining a satisfaction from this. All IMO

    I'm anxiously awaiting to see if another body is found sometime soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox View Post
    LE is hoping the forensics will give them the answers they need to break the case.

    I'm not ready to say it's cold yet, think we need to wait for the results.
    I do not think any new found "forensic evidence" is going to matter and here is why; if this were a serial killer targeting random strangers then sure, a fiber or hair that links them to the victim would be HUGE!

    This case is different, I think we all believe that whomever did this probably DID know her (at least those are the folks the police are pursuing), they probably did live nearby and have contact with her. That changes everything. Apparently all of hte POI are people that she knew or had contact with. That means any tiny shred of evidence, a fiber you can match to their carpet or their clothes, a tiny piece of their hair in her apartment, etc... can be explained even if they trace it to the person that left it! The defense attorney is going to say that hair/fiber/whatever could have gotten there a million different ways and you can't convict someone of murder based on evidence like that.

    Now if the police found a bloody fingerprint in her bathroom that would be another matter, but if they found something that obvious they would have already solved this. Of course if there is good evidence but the police can't link it to anyone now (or prove it meant they killed her) then there is the possibility of that evidence being linked to another similar crime, past or future, which would change everything. If it is a serial killer (or one that plans to become serial) the evidence will be linked eventually.
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    You can find him on LG's friend list on FB. Seems like an older guy. His profile pic is of him and Lauren and you can read some condolences his friends wrote as comments on the photo. I'm going with distraught.
    whats his name?
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    This may have been posted, the article already was...but still:

    Macon police Maj. Charles Stone likened the status of the probe to a poker hand.

    “We’re waiting for that last card,” Stone told The Telegraph on Friday. “That last card is either gonna give us a full house or we’re gonna end up moving on to other things.”
    First it was Chief Burns saying "murders are usually solved within a few days...and well...we are still interviewing people". Now this guy says "we're going to end up moving on to other things". If they REALLY THOUGHT the last card would give them a full house they darn sure would be saying "we expect a major break in the case soon" they wouldn't say "we will be moving on to other things". Sheesh they know the family is listening to this, no one would say that and crush the families hopes if they really thought they would end up with a "full house" and ensure justice would be served.

    It is a good thing the FBI was involved from day one. If the FBI wasn't involved the Macon PD would be feeling like they have failed and/or wondering if they messed up somehow. I don't think this was a challenge directed at the Macon PD, sheesh the Macon PD already has a ton of headaches with **** crime, and who would want to cause Chief Burns grief or challenge him to a game of evil wit? He is a likeable guy, not some arrogant idiot.

    I really think if this wasn't personal it was about Mercer. Looks like a highly intelligent killer dumping an over the top high value victim in an amazingly gruesome way on the doorstep of a famous university (or more specifically on the front steps of the law school).

    My gut says this isn't the typical serial killer getting off on the thrill of the kill and enjoying the afterglow high. If it were about the thrill then more thrills are the priority; stay undercover and go unnoticed (hide your victims) so you can do it again. A predator doesn't want to scare the heck out of the sheep, they want the sheep to simply graze and go about their business and be easy victims.

    I really think someone is messing with Mercer (assuming it wasn't personal against Giddings, haven't ruled that out but she appeared to be nice and I just don't see it being personal). Just my opinion, a gut feeling. Mercer is the hub of high iq in this area, and whomever did this is playing a game and is very intelligent, they wouldn't bother challenging the Macon PD.
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    Hi all! Just got activated! I'm from the Macon area, and have been following this case closely.

    Lomaker had mentioned a longer interview with McD, and I have the link to it. I was listening to WMAC-AM on Thursday morning, and I remembered hearing snippits from the interview, and that the police requested a copy of the tape from the woman doing the interview. This is an even longer version than what was played on WMAZ's website on the day of the discovery of her body. Tell me what y'all think. http://www.wmac-am.com/includes/news...oclockhour.mp3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMunn View Post
    Hi all! Just got activated! I'm from the Macon area, and have been following this case closely.
    Welcome! I am just up the road from you in Gray. Sheesh thanks for that link. Wow...that audio is amazing. Very very emotional.

    McDaniels isn't acting, no one is that good of an actor (well if they are, they aren't going to law school and getting locked up for crimes such as this). That audio is heartbreaking. The authorities wanted a copy of that tape because it could influence future jurors, and they didn't want to show the poster boy POI in a sympathetic light.

    I always thought he was innocent and being horribly tortured as a convenient pawn, the police/da should be really ashamed right now(he just graduated too, just like Lauren, he was happy and had crossed a milestone and then his life turned into a nightmare while people point and ridicule). That audio makes me feel even worse for that poor boy. He didn't do this, there is no way he is acting.

    (PS be careful about posting names and such if they have not been identified in news stories...the site rules are super strict here).


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    WoW thanks for link..

    First word out of McD's mouth.. "Lauren WAS my neighbor!.." and this is BEFORE Lauren is thought to be dead.. This is when they are looking for her!


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    WoW thanks for link..

    First word out of McD's mouth.. "Lauren WAS my neighbor!.." and this is BEFORE Lauren is thought to be dead.. This is when they are looking for her!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    WoW thanks for link..

    First word out of McD's mouth.. "Lauren WAS my neighbor!.." and this is BEFORE Lauren is thought to be dead.. This is when they are looking for her!
    Good catch but remember these were student apartments. Lauren and Stephen had graduated, Lauren was moving out. Stephen likely was too. It is easy to understand how one would say "was" because they are moving out and realize their lives are changing and won't be living there anymore.

    Why does the audio say "let's watch the video", why would a radio show say that? Is there a page with the video too?

    I find it really crappy that the "rest" of the McDaniel interview was blasted all over the web, showing him looking mentally distraunt (i.e. weird, unstable, deranged) but editing out everything that leads up to it and explains WHY he was distraunt and shows him in a sympathetic light.


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