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    Quote Originally Posted by PineMushroom View Post
    I don't know if it means anything..but in the beginning of that video, the guy Keith says ..from what I heard, THEY were the last people to see her...it doesn't allude to who "they" are, but if JR was the last person to see her, why would he say "they", as in, more than one person..

    And I'd just like to mention that the way HT talks really rubs me the wrong way. She seems so indifferent to the whole situation.


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    According to the NY post JR and LS's grandparents have lived near each other, on the same street, for the last 20 years. Kind of a weird connect, don't know if we discussed it yet, but has it been reported anywhere if LS and JR had been friends PRIOR to going to IU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Probably neither. I think LS wanted to party without him. I am not convinced they had plans to get together that night. If he actually did go to her place, since her place (Smallwood) has cameras all over the place, he would be on tape.

    In speaking of cameras at Smallwood and that they would have captured JW if he had gone to Lauren's or Smallwood in general during those hours in question..

    Early on In one of the first few pressers that LE conducted along with Laurens parents.. This question of was Jesse present at any Point during the hours in question and LE said they would not or could not say one way or the either..

    IMO that has always had me personally in my mind felt that the answer to that question could go either way and that in one of those ways being that Jesse wAs present at some point that he very likely would be seen on video taped surveillance of Smallwood during those hours in question(or possibly even on other video surveillance that LE has for the hours in question)..I.e. Making it even a possibility that Jesse was seen on alley cams.. Also could be possible that Jesse is the unnamed man seen on alley cam[IMO not likely that it's Jesse that is the unnamed person seen engaging in "activity" with Lauren at/or around 2:40-2:51].. But would never rule it out at this POint since we just Do NOT know..

    So, I just wanted to make mention of LE when asked was Jesse present in/or around the events of that night.. LE stated they said they couldn't say that HE WAS NOT PRESENT.. Nor that he was present..

    I'll try to locate a link and ETA it to this post..


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    While we DON'T KNOW, we still can use common sense. I don't believe there is any chance that JW is the guy in the alley with LS at 2:48-2:51am. Because what would he do next? Take her to CR's? Not at all likely. And I believe there is no way CR, MB and JR would claim she arrived over there and make themselves POIs if she didn't.
    Just my opinion


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    Just read a forensic astrology analysis about this case on another website...
    I have also read some others that are posted on this website...
    I find this one to be more detailed and has more info in it...
    If anyone's interested:

    http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/
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    And that's exactly what I said.. Tho we do not know who it is for certain on that particular video of the alley IMO I believe that it is not JW.. Don't see anyone stating that it is JW..

    We do not know JW was not in any of the areas LS was.. LE is not saying.. What they did say when asked I snipped and have posted below from an 18 min press conference:
    - Boyfriend...has talked to him... cooperative so far and CERTAINLY a person of interest. Doesn't want to get into specificis of if he saw Lauren that night.
    18minutes uncut press conference video:
    http://www.theindychannel.com/video/28197690/index.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogzilla View Post
    Missing IU student Lauren Spierer: Day-by-day timeline-
    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...qp-1931501.sto
    Excerpt-
    Day 1
    2:51 a.m. Security cameras mounted to apartments in the area show Spierer leave the alley toward an empty lot, north of 10th & College Village. Police confirm Spierer’s keys and purse were later found along this route through the alley.

    Spierer visits the apartment complex on the southeast corner of 11th and Morton, called 5 North Townhomes, where Rossman lives.

    Rossman’s roommate, Mike Beth, also has hired an attorney, Ron Chapman, who says Beth was at the townhome writing two papers when Spierer visited. Neither roommate was the last to see Spierer — Chapman says that person was IU student Jason “Jay” Rosenbaum, who lives two doors down from Rossman and Beth.
    quote from your link...
    2:30 a.m. Spierer and Rossman enter the front doors of Smallwood Plaza together but do not go to Spierer’s fifth-floor apartment. Rossman says he was injured in an altercation at Smallwood and remembers nothing about the event, according to his attorney, Carl Salzmann. ...end ofquote.

    Rossman was injured in an altercation at small-wood. But remembers nothing about it.??.....If he does-not remember anything about the altercation. How does he remember he was hurt in a altercation at smallwood??

    Is it known for a fact.
    Without a doubt.
    That he was involved in an altercation with someone other then Lauren?
    Do we know this with video, or testimony from someone whom actually seen this so called altercation.
    If this has been answered i apologize for asking again. I have not read all the threads and postings on this case.

    Also from your link...
    2:48 a.m. Spierer enters the alley that runs north/south between 10th & College Apartments and 10th & College Village. This alley is between College Avenue and Morton Street. Police report she did not pass through this alley alone. ...End of quote.
    I would say, without knowing for sure.
    That would be Rossman.

    2:51 a.m. Security cameras mounted to apartments in the area show Spierer leave the alley toward an empty lot, north of 10th & College Village. Police confirm Spierer’s keys and purse were later found along this route through the alley.
    Spierer visits the apartment complex on the southeast corner of 11th and Morton, called 5 North Townhomes, where Rossman lives.
    Rossman’s roommate, Mike Beth, also has hired an attorney, Ron Chapman, who says Beth was at the townhome writing two papers when Spierer visited. Neither roommate was the last to see Spierer — Chapman says that person was IU student Jason “Jay” Rosenbaum, who lives two doors down from Rossman and Beth.
    4:30 a.m. Rosenbaum reports last seeing Spierer at the intersection of 11th Street and College Avenue, headed south on College.



    Found her keys and purse along this route.

    When she left the bar, without her shoes and cellphone.
    Has LE released if she had her purse on her person when she returned to the smallwood for a few minutes.
    DID they see her with her purse inside the smallwood, before she exited and started to walk down the alley????
    I really want to know, if she had her purse with her after she returned to the smallwood after the bar!

    I am not 100 percent satisfied, that after leaving the alley and heading towards an empty lot that she made it to the apartments.
    I believe the disappearance occured somewhere around that time. After she left the alley and heading towards the empty lot.
    Unless of course there is video showing her actually being at those apartments after leaving the alley.


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    Thursday, June 9
    A dive team searches the waters again, following an anonymous and specific tip.
    Police report they do not have suspects, but “persons of interest” in the case. Police do not release names or elaborate on how many people have been given polygraph tests.
    Police stress that Spierer was not involved in an altercation at Smallwood Plaza that night.



    Quote...

    Police stress that Spierer was not involved in an altercation at Smallwood Plaza that night....End of quote.
    I take that as meaning there's no evidence from the video that shows Spiere or anyone for that matter was seen having an altercation with anyone at the small-wood?

    Smallwood gives police almost 400 pages of data showing a 48-hour period of time and an estimated 4,000 different card swipes in and out of the apartment building, representing the 24-hours before and 24-hours after Spierer’s disappearance.
    Only LE would know I am guessing...
    She leaves the bar without shoes or cellphone.
    arrives at smallwood, and SWIPES her card to get inside?
    So one would presumed i guess she had her purse?
    Without confirmation from LE. We don't know correct?

    Friday, June 17
    Bloomington attorney Ron Chapman confirms that one of his clients, IU student and Smallwood resident David Rohn, socialized with Spierer shortly before her disappearance and has spoken with police. He says Rohn received a phone call from an unknown number at 4:15 a.m. the morning Spierer disappeared. Chapman also confirms that Rohn is acquainted with Spierer, Rossman and Beth, who all were among a “large group” that attended the Indianapolis 500 together in May.
    Quote... IU student and Smallwood resident David Rohn, socialized with Spierer shortly before her disappearance and has spoken with police. He says Rohn received a phone call from an unknown number at 4:15 a.m. the morning Spierer disappeared...End of quote.
    Two weeks later he mentions through attorney, he socialized with spierer shortly before her disappearance?
    After the release of video, showing her enter and leave the apartment he also lived in. He comes forward to mention he had chatted with her.
    Is this because in-case he was seen on video doing so. He wanted them to know he had chatted with her shortly before her disappearance?
    If he would have said no, he had no communication with her, or even seen her. and later LE told him they have him on video interacting with her before her disappearance, he would have a hard time to explain that?.........Or he could have said, he did-not have any memory of engaging with her shortly before her disappearance.

    Wednesday, June 22
    Quote...Qualters addresses a report of a “mystery man” seen with Spierer about 3:38 a.m. June 3 in the area of 10th and College. Qualters says investigators have reviewed video evidence that does not support that either Spierer or anyone unknown to police was in that area at that time...End of quote.
    I believe that. The evidence does not support that either spierer or anyone unknown to police was in that area at the time.
    I am not believing in a stranger abduction at that place around that time.

    I am sure they did.
    But i see from photos that there are local storage places around where she disappeard from. Did they search or run the dogs around those storage buildings.

    I believe between the time she was seen leaving the alley and two hours or so afterwards is when she was taken. the 430am siting i believe was when everything was over and done with. The 430am siting i believe was to through LE off. and was giving because at 430am everything was finished.

    THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART.
    NOTHING POSTED AS BEING FACT. UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northsider View Post
    Very excellent point. So, two scenarios:

    1) She's supposed to come over to his place after the bar, around 2:30. She doesn't show up, so he...goes to sleep? Why? Wouldn't you expect he'd go try to find her at that point?

    2) He's supposed to go over to her place after the bar, around 2:30. So he leaves his house and walks over to that area.

    Which seems more likely?
    People always make sort of vague plans that might or might not happen

    If #2 is correct, then actually finds her and is angry enough to kill her but does so without leaving any sort of crime scene then leaves her body there, exposed, to get his car, not leaving any damning evidence in the car, and dispose of the body (and hides it well)? That's a lot of assumptions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    If you have some information, why don't you write a story or better yet, talk with the police? You have alluded to know who was in the alley; write about that.
    Never know what some may now or be looking into sometimes it falls of deaf ears here in B-town


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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    quote from your link...
    2:30 a.m. Spierer and Rossman enter the front doors of Smallwood Plaza together but do not go to Spierer’s fifth-floor apartment. Rossman says he was injured in an altercation at Smallwood and remembers nothing about the event, according to his attorney, Carl Salzmann. ...end ofquote.

    Rossman was injured in an altercation at small-wood. But remembers nothing about it.??.....If he does-not remember anything about the altercation. How does he remember he was hurt in a altercation at smallwood??

    Is it known for a fact.
    Without a doubt.
    That he was involved in an altercation with someone other then Lauren?
    Do we know this with video, or testimony from someone whom actually seen this so called altercation.
    If this has been answered i apologize for asking again. I have not read all the threads and postings on this case.

    Also from your link...
    2:48 a.m. Spierer enters the alley that runs north/south between 10th & College Apartments and 10th & College Village. This alley is between College Avenue and Morton Street. Police report she did not pass through this alley alone. ...End of quote.
    I would say, without knowing for sure.
    That would be Rossman.

    2:51 a.m. Security cameras mounted to apartments in the area show Spierer leave the alley toward an empty lot, north of 10th & College Village. Police confirm Spierer’s keys and purse were later found along this route through the alley.
    Spierer visits the apartment complex on the southeast corner of 11th and Morton, called 5 North Townhomes, where Rossman lives.
    Rossman’s roommate, Mike Beth, also has hired an attorney, Ron Chapman, who says Beth was at the townhome writing two papers when Spierer visited. Neither roommate was the last to see Spierer — Chapman says that person was IU student Jason “Jay” Rosenbaum, who lives two doors down from Rossman and Beth.
    4:30 a.m. Rosenbaum reports last seeing Spierer at the intersection of 11th Street and College Avenue, headed south on College.



    Found her keys and purse along this route.

    When she left the bar, without her shoes and cellphone.
    Has LE released if she had her purse on her person when she returned to the smallwood for a few minutes.
    DID they see her with her purse inside the smallwood, before she exited and started to walk down the alley????
    I really want to know, if she had her purse with her after she returned to the smallwood after the bar!

    I am not 100 percent satisfied, that after leaving the alley and heading towards an empty lot that she made it to the apartments.
    I believe the disappearance occured somewhere around that time. After she left the alley and heading towards the empty lot.
    Unless of course there is video showing her actually being at those apartments after leaving the alley.


    click photos to advance (10 photos)


    Thursday, June 9
    A dive team searches the waters again, following an anonymous and specific tip.
    Police report they do not have suspects, but “persons of interest” in the case. Police do not release names or elaborate on how many people have been given polygraph tests.
    Police stress that Spierer was not involved in an altercation at Smallwood Plaza that night.



    Quote...

    Police stress that Spierer was not involved in an altercation at Smallwood Plaza that night....End of quote.
    I take that as meaning there's no evidence from the video that shows Spiere or anyone for that matter was seen having an altercation with anyone at the small-wood?

    Smallwood gives police almost 400 pages of data showing a 48-hour period of time and an estimated 4,000 different card swipes in and out of the apartment building, representing the 24-hours before and 24-hours after Spierer’s disappearance.
    Only LE would know I am guessing...
    She leaves the bar without shoes or cellphone.
    arrives at smallwood, and SWIPES her card to get inside?
    So one would presumed i guess she had her purse?
    Without confirmation from LE. We don't know correct?

    Friday, June 17
    Bloomington attorney Ron Chapman confirms that one of his clients, IU student and Smallwood resident David Rohn, socialized with Spierer shortly before her disappearance and has spoken with police. He says Rohn received a phone call from an unknown number at 4:15 a.m. the morning Spierer disappeared. Chapman also confirms that Rohn is acquainted with Spierer, Rossman and Beth, who all were among a “large group” that attended the Indianapolis 500 together in May.
    Quote... IU student and Smallwood resident David Rohn, socialized with Spierer shortly before her disappearance and has spoken with police. He says Rohn received a phone call from an unknown number at 4:15 a.m. the morning Spierer disappeared...End of quote.
    Two weeks later he mentions through attorney, he socialized with spierer shortly before her disappearance?
    After the release of video, showing her enter and leave the apartment he also lived in. He comes forward to mention he had chatted with her.
    Is this because in-case he was seen on video doing so. He wanted them to know he had chatted with her shortly before her disappearance?
    If he would have said no, he had no communication with her, or even seen her. and later LE told him they have him on video interacting with her before her disappearance, he would have a hard time to explain that?.........Or he could have said, he did-not have any memory of engaging with her shortly before her disappearance.

    Wednesday, June 22
    Quote...Qualters addresses a report of a “mystery man” seen with Spierer about 3:38 a.m. June 3 in the area of 10th and College. Qualters says investigators have reviewed video evidence that does not support that either Spierer or anyone unknown to police was in that area at that time...End of quote.
    I believe that. The evidence does not support that either spierer or anyone unknown to police was in that area at the time.
    I am not believing in a stranger abduction at that place around that time.
    BPD said the purse belonged to a un-related homicide was not Laurens


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    Quote Originally Posted by aproudmom View Post
    BPD said the purse belonged to a un-related homicide was not Laurens
    Can you supply a link to that statement?
    The keys that were found by the railing was hers.
    But the purse found belonged to someone else?
    A unrelated homicide?
    I would like to read that for myself.

    Either her purse is still missing or it is not.
    Which is it?

    http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...qp-1931501.sto
    2:51 a.m. Security cameras mounted to apartments in the area show Spierer leave the alley toward an empty lot, north of 10th & College Village. Police confirm Spierer’s keys and purse were later found along this route through the alley.

    Are you saying the above is not true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coltsgal View Post
    I'm just saying, if she didn't answer her cell, it would be probably overly possessive for him to come track her down at the bar.

    Yeah, being concerned the following day is normal, especially after he finds out that no one has heard from her or seen her all day.

    My hunch is that JW had nothing to do with her disappearance. But of course, I have been known to be wrong a time or two. I just don't see anything weird or concerning in their relationship that leads me to believe that he did something to her. I think she hung out with the wrong group of people on the wrong night.

    I agree with you. I can't see JW being involved in her disappearance.

    And as far as the change in plans....it's just the way kids in that age group live. Plans change,and change again, all in about 5 minutes. I don't see anything strange or suspicious about that. My own college kids do that all the time. People are added and subtracted, destinations and times change, or they shut the whole thing down and stay home on a whim to watch a movie.
    Unfortunately, Lauren decided that she wanted to go out, and it proved to be a terrible choice.

    Is it common knowledge among the kids who live in the area what time the dumpsters are emptied each week? Not the garbage pick-up provided by the City of Bloomington, but the commercial dumpsters? Is that something those kids would even pay attention to?


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    I believe her purse and keys may have been one unit-- not a "purse" in the traditional sense. Some accounts call it. A coin purse. Her keys would have been for her car I presume her apt door required swipe card. That nite she would have needed "purse" to contain fakeID, debit card, and another photo ID.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aproudmom View Post
    BPD said the purse belonged to a un-related homicide was not Laurens
    Police has LS purse, it was found along her route's to CR's. The unrelated homicide victim purse was found by volunteers in a park.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by EllaMae View Post
    I agree with you. I can't see JW being involved in her disappearance.

    And as far as the change in plans....it's just the way kids in that age group live. Plans change,and change again, all in about 5 minutes. I don't see anything strange or suspicious about that. My own college kids do that all the time. People are added and subtracted, destinations and times change, or they shut the whole thing down and stay home on a whim to watch a movie.
    Unfortunately, Lauren decided that she wanted to go out, and it proved to be a terrible choice.

    Is it common knowledge among the kids who live in the area what time the dumpsters are emptied each week? Not the garbage pick-up provided by the City of Bloomington, but the commercial dumpsters? Is that something those kids would even pay attention to?
    My opinion is that the college kids have no idea what days the garbage gets picked up, except maybe the trash at their own building (if that even).

    I've worked at my job for two years, and I still couldn't tell you the day they come to empty the dumpster. It's just not something I pay attention to.


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