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    Lots of thoughts!

    Okay, again, I'm a little behind on the posts, but here are a few thoughts based on some of the most recent ones I've read:

    1) Airports & Parking

    I don't think anyone else has brought this up yet, but I know there's been some discussion of what the out-of-town students do with their cars when they leave for the summer and/or vacation. I know from experience of driving to the Indy airport at Christmas time (during winter break) that a lot of the students from the East Coast take a limousine service to the airport and leave their cars on campus, at their apartments, etc. I'm not sure if many of them do the same thing in the summer or not.

    I don't necessarily think LS is in someone's car parked in Bloomington, but I just wanted to say this to show that students DO sometimes leave their cars when they go home for extended periods of time. I guess it's a possibility she could've crawled into one of those as someone suggested, but I really doubt it. At this point though, who knows. She's still missing and needs to be found.

    2) Length of time at MB/CR's apartment

    I don't recall ever reading anything in MSM about the length of time she stayed at their place. This is why some have speculated that she left their place after CR was in bed (so roughly 3 a.m.-ish), went outside but instead of going to JR's, she ran into the "mystery man", hence that sighting at 3:38 a.m., then perhaps ended up back at JR's by 4:00 a.m. and that's when the 4:15 call was made (assuming you believe she actually made that call). If she didn't want to go home when mystery man said "Can I take you home", she could've had the mystery man carry her back to the 5 North Townhomes so she could continue to party.

    3) Trash service in Bloomington

    Someone said earlier that they don't believe there is only one trash pickup in Bloomington. Most residences have their trash collected by the City of Bloomington, which assigns every property with a "trash day", and assuming the 5 North Townhomes are on this schedule, they would be on the Tuesday-A schedule for trash pickup. This is different than what I've heard, though. I recall someone saying the 5 North trash is collected on Fridays. If that's the case, they do have a private company picking up their trash, as the previous person suggested. If this is the case, there would likely be different landfills. I have no clue where all the landfills are. I read on the City of Bloomington's website that all trash from Bloomington is taken to Pimento, IN about 55 miles away from B'ton: http://bloomington.in.gov/documents/...cument_id=2998

    So...the trash/landfill discussion definitely raises some questions. Which landfills did they search? Is the trash from 5 North taken to the same landfill as the rest of the Bloomington waste, or a different one?

    4) ZO/AB being at Smallwood

    I still don't buy into them being there just because of LS. Smallwood is literally right down the street from ZO & AB's place, and it is a hot spot for partying. I'm sure they have plenty of friends who live there that they might've been hanging out with. Also, some have speculated that ZO might have been jealous because he had a crush on LS. ZO has a girlfriend, and if anyone has seen her pics on Facebook, I'm sure we can all agree that she is very attractive. I just don't see him being all hung-up on LS when he already has a gf. Just my opinion, of course.

    5) Fights at the Indy 500

    How do we know that CR, LS, HT and their group were hanging out with ZO/AB and their group at the Indy 500? Has anyone on this board ever been to the 500? It's MADNESS. There are hundreds of thousands of people there and sometimes its difficult just to find the friends you came to the race with because of the massive amounts of people there. Speedway capacity is somewhere around 400,000. I have never read anything that said the two groups were together at the 500. Does anyone have any credible info on this? I'm very curious where all of that info came from. I have never seen anything that links ZO/AB with the whole CR/JR/LS/HT group aside from ZO punching CR.

    Whew, sorry for the long post! That's all I have for now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I still can't help thinking that the witness statements re: 3:38AM match what LE saw at another time and place on video. Their response to the questions about this witness is so unclear, yet also comes across to me, anyway, that LE is not dismissing what the witness said as much as the time and maybe the place. And perhaps they do not believe it is possible the exact same incident took place twice within an hour, i.e. that the witness saw a male carrying Lauren, when in fact this same thing happened almost an hour earlier in the same way she described.

    I truly hope LE has more tying Lauren's disappearance to this group than we know about, since it does not appear that the focus of the parents, anyway, has ever changed. This part is so similar to Kyron's case, IMO, where the parents started speaking out against TH pretty early on, seemingly led by LE, giving the appearance, at least ,that they were getting their info from LE. (and the results of that case, to date, are, IMO, terrifyingly nil.)
    I definitely think this is a possibility, but the problem I have is the fact that the witness was getting off work at the time, and there's a giant digital clock on the corner, right above where she would have seen the exchange between LS and ?.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VeryVeritas View Post
    Well the obvious person would be CR in the video. Did they ever imply or say that it was a 3rd person? If it was not CR then yes i could see how LE would think they have something to go on here. But then when they say the 3:38 witness sighting does not fit with others who saw her at the same time, what others are they talking about? Again wouldn't that be the CR/MB/JR sequence? If it's the 3:38 witness against their word... I wouldn't be discounting anything.
    They never said one person. I also don't think that person is CR. I think CR and LS happened upon this person/persons on their way to CR's apt at the gravel lot. I think CR, after getting beat up once, went inside and went to bed. I discount CR.

    On the other hand. I cannot discount the "waiters," that being possibly AB and someone else, caught on tape. Perhaps LE does include AB as being on video at some point and maybe it was when he threw her over his shoulder and she lost her purse/wristlet thing. But I don't think AB acted alone but am on the fence as to the witness description of time.

    There were 2 people that apparently kicked the snot out of CR early that evening. One I believe was AB, the other with the lasy name beginning with O. All friends of JW. All knew LS was with CR. All knew where CR lived.

    What happened in that gravel lot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedrosmom View Post
    Because the plan wouldn't work. Too many people around, cameras, etc. I believe she was hidden in a temporary place until the next day when they were able to get her out of town amidst the hustle and bustle of other traffic/people leaving campus. This may coincide with the 3:38 sighting again, the time being off, bringing her to a temp place only to move her when things wouldn't look so suspicious. If it was AB for certain carrying her, then I cannot discount JW's involvement at all.
    I bolded part of your statement above. My question about that is why can't you discount JW's involvement? We have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that JW even knows AB. They're not FB friends, don't live near each other, no photos of them together anywhere....just basically no evidence at all that they are associated. Some have posted rumors that they were in the same fraternity, but even that cannot be proven (unless someone proved it and I missed it...sorry, but I don't believe doreatha over on the PT board...she spoke in a tone of 'fact' when she was actually just speculating). I've done research on these guys and their fraternities myself, and cannot come up with one thing that points to them being in the same fraternity.


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    In a previous thread/post (gee, that narrows it down, huh? lol.) someone pointed out that the corner where the 3:38 witness saw the exchange go down is a very short walk from JR/CR/MB. I think it's possible she went back to those apartments with CR within the police time frame, and then went back to that corner, especially if there was an "afterbar" or something at JR's.


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    One more thing that I don't think has ever been mentioned - JW has a Facebook album titled "Boats and Date Party" with 162 pictures from an apparent fraternity function that took place last October. Tons of the AEPi brothers on pontoon boats (maybe on Lake Monroe, but I can't verify that), then at a big dance later that evening with their dates in semi-formal attire. LS and HT are both in the date photos. ZO and AB do not show up in ANY of these photos. Why is everyone so convinced they are all friends in the same fraternity???


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    I do not understand why the three guys that are the last known people to see her alive get this automatic pass.Why are they "good guys" that are somehow incapable of killing this girl.What makes them so different than any other 20 year old.Most of the time people are killed by someone they know,just like most of the time when someone dumps a body it is because they killed the person.If these three are involved that is the most likely scenario.


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    Someone upthread commented about concrete stairs at 5 North. JR lived on the 4th floor. Here's a pic of stairs which are carpeted. I've wondered about a fall down the stairs myself.

    http://currydevelopment.com/5north/5...allery_12.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomthought View Post
    I do not understand why the three guys that are the last known people to see her alive get this automatic pass.Why are they "good guys" that are somehow incapable of killing this girl.What makes them so different than any other 20 year old.Most of the time people are killed by someone they know,just like most of the time when someone dumps a body it is because they killed the person.If these three are involved that is the most likely scenario.
    I haven't given these guys an automatic pass. I feel like it is much more likely that one of those three (or a combination of them - let's not forget about JR's out-of-town guest in the mix, too) is responsible for whatever happened than JW or ZO/AB. I haven't counted any of them out yet, but I feel more strongly about JR and/or CR/MB being responsible for whatever happened to her.

    I am surprised, though, that if multiple people were involved in her disappearance, no one has slipped up or cracked yet. I would've expected someone to do or say something that gave them away at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Berk13 View Post
    I haven't given these guys an automatic pass. I feel like it is much more likely that one of those three (or a combination of them - let's not forget about JR's out-of-town guest in the mix, too) is responsible for whatever happened than JW or ZO/AB. I haven't counted any of them out yet, but I feel more strongly about JR and/or CR/MB being responsible for whatever happened to her.

    I am surprised, though, that if multiple people were involved in her disappearance, no one has slipped up or cracked yet. I would've expected someone to do or say something that gave them away at this point.
    With all of the lawyers involved so early on, I am not surprised that no one has incriminated themselves, if indeed there is guilt in this group...
    Just my opinion, of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VeryVeritas View Post
    Well the obvious person would be CR in the video. Did they ever imply or say that it was a 3rd person? If it was not CR then yes i could see how LE would think they have something to go on here. But then when they say the 3:38 witness sighting does not fit with others who saw her at the same time, what others are they talking about? Again wouldn't that be the CR/MB/JR sequence? If it's the 3:38 witness against their word... I wouldn't be discounting anything.
    It's pretty much a given that she would be seen on video at some point with CR, so I don't know why they would bother to even mention it especially in context of this sighting. Because he was so cagey I think it is someone other than CR.

    As for the other sources, I wouldn't automatically include CR as having seen her given his "amnesia."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Berk13 View Post

    4) ZO/AB being at Smallwood

    I still don't buy into them being there just because of LS. Smallwood is literally right down the street from ZO & AB's place, and it is a hot spot for partying. I'm sure they have plenty of friends who live there that they might've been hanging out with. Also, some have speculated that ZO might have been jealous because he had a crush on LS. ZO has a girlfriend, and if anyone has seen her pics on Facebook, I'm sure we can all agree that she is very attractive. I just don't see him being all hung-up on LS when he already has a gf. Just my opinion, of course.
    Do you have any more info on AB?
    Girlfriends? Friends with JR? etc..


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    3 Attorneys compared stories before June 12

    Hi
    This always bothered me.

    Taken from USA Today June 12,2011

    Lawyers for Rossman, Beth and Rosenbaum have all contacted each other. Asked whether he thinks any of the three had anything to do with the disappearance, Chapman replied, "Absolutely not."

    http://tinyurl.com/3nhmo5x


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tr. View Post
    Do you have any more info on AB?
    Girlfriends? Friends with JR? etc..
    AB appears to have either deleted his Facebook account or made it private so that no one can search for him.

    I looked him up shortly after his name first became a part of the conversation, and as I recall, he did not have a girlfriend and was not Facebook friends with ANY of the POIs except for ZO. From what I could gather when I looked at his profile and his photos, he and ZO appear to be best friends and AB seems like the hard-partying drunk friend who is always ready to take a goofy picture. Seems like he has a lot of girls who are friends, but no actual "girlfriend".


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    Quote Originally Posted by holly2325 View Post
    Hi
    This always bothered me.

    Taken from USA Today June 12,2011

    Lawyers for Rossman, Beth and Rosenbaum have all contacted each other. Asked whether he thinks any of the three had anything to do with the disappearance, Chapman replied, "Absolutely not."

    http://tinyurl.com/3nhmo5x
    Thanks for posting that link. I think I read that when it was first published, but to read it again now was helpful. I found one part particularly interesting:

    "Rossman and Mike Beth, who gave DNA samples to police, and Rosenbaum are all believed to be persons of interest. Spierer's boyfriend, Jesse Wolff, also is on the list, as are students who confronted Rossman at Spierer's building."

    The story did NOT say that JR gave a DNA sample to the police. I know there have been past questions on this board about whether or not he gave DNA. Has anyone found anything more recent that said he did?? It seems a little suspicious for everyone else to give DNA but not him.

    I also just noticed the article said the students who confronted CR are also on the POI list - so we now know that ZO is definitely considered a POI (not sure if that had ever been confirmed before). Assuming AB was with ZO at Smallwood, he would be a POI as well. I think everyone assumed those guys were POIs, but this article seems to confirm it.


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