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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    I have two thoughts on this:

    I think there is no way we can understand the history that makes this community distrust outsiders so much. I would hope the amazing response of the police department would reach out to the community at large. It may also be that the police are comfortable historically with the way the community works.
    From what I know and have observed from my friends, part of it is that but a lot of it is the level of religion in their life. For some of them it consumes all of their time. Children study INSANELY for their coming-of-age event, the Bar and Bat Mitzvahs. In comparison, I am Catholic and yeah, I studied about stuff but my life would probably not have been altered had I not made my Confirmation. In fact my family would probably have forgotten about it at this point. The Jewish kids have to recite an entire book by memory at their celebration. I can't even imagine how stressful it is for the Orthodox or the Hasidic Jews.

    Of course this all depends on how strictly you follow the religion. My Jewish friends in high school's families were not too strict. They went to public schools. Anyone that was went to strictly Jewish schools.

    I still today learn things about this religion that blow me away or surprise me through one of my mom's closest friends. Some of them I have difficulty understanding but it is not my place to try to or judge. For example, a menstruating woman cannot touch a man (that might be a little over simplifying it but this is how it was explained to me).

    This is all of course based on my experiences of friends that live in Skokie, a suburb of Chicago. It is also where the Illinois Holocaust Center is located.

    Sorry, I kind of went off topic there!

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    This is such a tragic case all around. It seems all the quick action by the police and others should have found Lieby in the apartment before his murder. So close to having a happy ending.

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    I would not put much stock in what the ex-wife has to say...IMO...she doesn't seem like she's quite "all there" either. One of the interviews I watched she was sort of giggling during the questions, with a smile on her face. Seemed odd to say the least.

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    Brooklyn mom says Levi Aron previously tried to kidnap her boy

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SGukbu91


    "A Facebook "friend" told the iPad news publication The Daily that Aron had written on the site that "he likes Brooklyn more than Tennessee because there are more boys here."


    "He stalked the 11-year-old in Borough Park with the same Honda he used to abduct Leiby, the sources said."

    "[He] was walking home on his block when he noticed a gold car was tailing him," a source said. "He kept turning around, feeling suspicious, and kept noticing the car was there, so he broke into a run and quickly went home to tell his parents."



    As many have noted here...I'm sure more stories will be uncovered about this creep's past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphany View Post
    “We have a faster response than the police, about a minute and a half,” said Mendy Rosenberg, his big hands and mechanic’s outfit smeared with grease. If a suspect is trying to escape by car, he can call upon hundreds of people to block streets and bridge entrances.

    “I can shut down the streets in half of Brooklyn in seconds — instant traffic jam,” he said. “We’ve trapped many perps that way.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/ny.../04patrol.html
    I don't think there are any other communities that are allowed to do this. could you imagine driving to work and getting stuck in a man-made traffic jam that was not orchestrated by the police?

    imagine you are on your way to the hospital with a sick child in the car and get stuck for an hour because civilians thought it was a good idea to stall traffic.

    while their vigilance worked here (albeit a bit too late to save Leiby) no one else in NYC gets away with this sort of behavior, much to the chagrin of others in Brooklyn, especially the African-American and Carribean communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    What's up with the ex wife and the 'diamond heist'? Shame on me, but I wish she could be interviewed from federal prison. I'd love to hear what she has to say about LA, though I'm not sure how much of her story I would believe.
    Here you go, Cubby....the incarcerated first wife speaks.....

    Monster's ex-wife: 'Sociopath' knows right from wrong


    "His soul is doomed forever," Diana Diunov, 38, said from a federal prison in Danbury, Conn., of the man she divorced in 2005. "He will have Yom Kippur forever in his life!"

    Diunov, in jail for wire fraud, said Aron should not be able to claim insanity."



    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SGxri2sl

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    Investigators have dug up a part of the backyard for evidence, searching for any hints in the suspect's history that would explain a motive for Leiby's murder. Police sources tell PIX11 News Aron's family has said the suspect was in a car accident when he was 10 years old which changed his mental capacity. And in court Thursday, his defense attorney hinted that mental illness may have played a role

    http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-suspec...,6417255.story

    yup, they're definitely going with the "insanity" or mentally handicapped angle and so be it. As long as he's off the streets forever!
    Watch the video. The media vultures wont leave the parents alone although they've asked them nicely. So sad!
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    Wow. Mention of the ICA trial and how she speculates he wanted fame! Well, I guess if that's the case it may mean Leiby was his first and only victim.

    But for all his arrested development, Aron is perfectly capable of telling the difference between right and wrong, she said.
    "He killed an innocent child for no reason but a desire to become famous," she claimed.
    "He always believed that he can become a famous singer one day. That he can write songs."
    At 35, with "no prospect of any fame," and "also after the big case of Casey Anthony, he decided to try his luck," she speculated.


    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SH4cetUE

    She goes on to say:
    "He probably believes that he can get off by work of lawyers and God knows who else."

    I know this is her opinion and purely speculation but just another byproduct of the debacle that happened in Orlando on July 7. I truly feel that case empowered would be murderers (child murderers especially!) to think that with the right alibi, circumstance, they would be immune to justice.
    Sickens me!
    It's just MOO. I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and it surely won't be the last!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie in Spokane View Post
    Here you go, Cubby....the incarcerated first wife speaks.....

    Monster's ex-wife: 'Sociopath' knows right from wrong


    "His soul is doomed forever," Diana Diunov, 38, said from a federal prison in Danbury, Conn., of the man she divorced in 2005. "He will have Yom Kippur forever in his life!"

    Diunov, in jail for wire fraud, said Aron should not be able to claim insanity."



    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SGxri2sl

    Thank you Blondie'.

    From the above link:

    "He always believed that he can become a famous singer one day. That he can write songs."

    At 35, with "no prospect of any fame," and "also after the big case of Casey Anthony, he decided to try his luck," she speculated.

    "For him, the meeting of this little poor boy was a chance to shine into media and make himself known," she said. "He probably believes that he can get off by work of lawyers and God knows who else."

    The above is eerie. Especially with the other ex wife saying he was in Orlando a few weeks ago for some "event" and he lied to her about American Idol upping their age limit. I know it is out there - really out there. But if LE finds no evidence of sexual molestation (which I don't expect but have to consider the possibility) it wouldn't take much for someone who was already 'out there' to get so caught up in Casey and the attention the case brought her. Her being acquitted, all the media on the million dollar deals. What if some wacko decided if Casey can do it and get away with it - then I can too? It's almost inconceivable, but so too are the odds of a child asking the one wrong person for directions in a city of 8 million people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deelytful1 View Post
    Wow. Mention of the ICA trial and how she speculates he wanted fame! Well, I guess if that's the case it may mean Leiby was his first and only victim.

    But for all his arrested development, Aron is perfectly capable of telling the difference between right and wrong, she said.
    "He killed an innocent child for no reason but a desire to become famous," she claimed.
    "He always believed that he can become a famous singer one day. That he can write songs."
    At 35, with "no prospect of any fame," and "also after the big case of Casey Anthony, he decided to try his luck," she speculated.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SH4cetUE

    She goes on to say:
    "He probably believes that he can get off by work of lawyers and God knows who else."

    I know this is her opinion and purely speculation but just another byproduct of the debacle that happened in Orlando on July 7. I truly feel that case empowered would be murderers (child murderers especially!) to think that with the right alibi, circumstance, they would be immune to justice.
    Sickens me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudette View Post
    When Levi came out with his confession my theory formed. I believe that he thinks his story is the truth, for the most part. I think he took him to fill a void in his life. I do believe his is very mentally ill and he didn't think it was wrong to take him. Kind of like taking a stray home with you (but not....this is his POV though, in my mind at least). Regardless, he is very dangerous and should be removed from society.

    His confession is about two guys hanging out, doing regular things together. Trying to find a bookstore, going to a wedding, hanging out and watching TV. Leiby stays home with Levi goes to work. I think he thinks this is true - the best comparison I could give to explain this weird false belief is like the movie Psycho, where the guy turned into his mom and didn't even realize it. I hope that makes sense because that's the best I can do lol

    Part of my theory was formed by the fact that, so far, they do not believe he was assaulted by Levi (I can't write out the full term, sorry....). So then, why did he kidnap him?

    Then we find out he targeted single mothers. Again, wanting to be around small kids, and so far there is not suggestion of "that type of abuse".

    Of course, I do realize that most likely "that type of abuse" did happen, but I am basing all of this on what I know so far.

    Hopefully I explained myself well.
    I didn't think of that, but now that you've pointed it out, sounds right. Just look at the video of him in court. He has his head down and peeks at his lawyer and the judge - Just like a child would do.

    He's a big kid! I'd like to hear the results of a brain scan on him. Bet they find lesions from his childhood accident.

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    A big kid? Please.
    "Big kids" don't allegedly kill and dismember their friends.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by deelytful1 View Post
    Investigators have dug up a part of the backyard for evidence, searching for any hints in the suspect's history that would explain a motive for Leiby's murder. Police sources tell PIX11 News Aron's family has said the suspect was in a car accident when he was 10 years old which changed his mental capacity. And in court Thursday, his defense attorney hinted that mental illness may have played a role

    http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-suspec...,6417255.story

    yup, they're definitely going with the "insanity" or mentally handicapped angle and so be it. As long as he's off the streets forever!
    Watch the video. The media vultures wont leave the parents alone although they've asked them nicely. So sad!
    This makes me so mad! Why can't the media leave these people alone, FGS!

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    This bee my opinion

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    A woman who lives three doors down from "the Butcher of Brooklyn" said yesterday that the madman had tried to kidnap her young son right off their block, but that she scared him away with her screams.
    "The story is true. We're going through a lot of trauma here," Zisa Berkowitz told The Post from her East Second Street home, steps from where Levi Aron admittedly suffocated 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky with a bath towel in Aron's Kensington attic apartment.
    NYPD detectives spoke to the mom on Wednesday, just hours after Aron was arrested for Kletzky's murder and dismemberment.


    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SHyVrfX2


    more at link
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    A big kid? Please.
    "Big kids" don't allegedly kill and dismember their friends.
    That reminds me of when some people used to say Michael Jackson was just 'a big kid'. Yeah a 50 something kid who had 'sleepovers' with little boys. Please!
    It'll be interesting to see what the psychological tests say about this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    A woman who lives three doors down from "the Butcher of Brooklyn" said yesterday that the madman had tried to kidnap her young son right off their block, but that she scared him away with her screams.
    "The story is true. We're going through a lot of trauma here," Zisa Berkowitz told The Post from her East Second Street home, steps from where Levi Aron admittedly suffocated 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky with a bath towel in Aron's Kensington attic apartment.
    NYPD detectives spoke to the mom on Wednesday, just hours after Aron was arrested for Kletzky's murder and dismemberment.


    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz1SHyVrfX2


    more at link
    So, he should of had a record on that day and maybe even still be in jail.
    I don't understand why he wasn't reported that day?
    WTH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherbetjello View Post
    So, he should of had a record on that day and maybe even still be in jail.
    I don't understand why he wasn't reported that day?
    WTH?
    Assuming that the comments are all true we have attempted kidnapping and the reservations of other parents over his giving rides to children in his car and staring at the playground. I think it's very upsetting.

    It reminds me of the crimes in Amish communities that have gone unreported in the past.

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    All I can think at this point, reading through everything and all of the articles, is that this guy is another Hoffman.

    I probably won't comment too much on this, or follow it too closely. Our community still isn't healed (doubt it ever will be) so it's hard to read that things like this are happening more than once. I don't understand people. I don't understand what would drive someone to murder a defenseless boy and cut up his body.

    Just sickening.
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    Because LA did not approach Leiby and it was Leiby who approached Levi for help, I don’t believe Levi had any intention of committing a crime against Leiby when they met.

    It was previously stated that members of this community don’t involve the police in their affairs and they are very family oriented. They trust one another so Levi’s reason for taking Leiby to his house could very well have been to help him find his family as soon as time permitted him to.

    When you look at Levi’s timeline for Monday and Tuesday, Leiby would have arrived at Levi’s apartment around suppertime on Monday and Levi had plans to attend a wedding that evening so Levi had no time to stop and help Leiby. Levi had to report to work early Tuesday morning so he likely told Leiby to stay put and he would help him find his family when he returned from work. Leiby would obey Levi so he likely waited for Levi to return home from work.

    When Levi learned about the search that was taking place on Tuesday for Leiby he didn’t come forward to explain why he didn’t contact the authorities sooner which is really all he had to do to prevent this tragedy from occurring. Instead he allowed fear to impair his judgment and separate him from the truth so therefore IMO Levi could have been temporarily insane when he took Leiby's life.

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    “At this point, there is no indication that Aron sexually abused Leiby Kletzky”

    “He panicked, and that is why he killed the boy. It is believed that Leiby was suffocated before Aron cut up his body.”

    http://www.heimishheadlines.com/2011...-is-levi-aron/

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    It's also been reported Levy had Leiby wait a full 7 minutes at the intersection while he entered a dentist office and paid a bill. If he didn't have the time and didn't have any intentions on harming the boy, he could have taken the boy into the dentist office with him letting the employees know the child was lost and needed assistance.

    Instead when he had the chance to direct the boy to help, he chose not too.


    Surveillance video showed Aron entering a dentist's office Monday while Kleztky waited for him across the street for seven minutes, Kelly said


    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-13/j...an?_s=PM:CRIME

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    I don't think he really intended to help Leiby but absent mindedly left him tied up in his apartment until he had the opportunity to do so. The quote you included about panicking and smothering the boy came from Levi who can't be considered a credible source.

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    This just makes me sick. Walt Disney World.

    And it seems as if he was still talking to his ex-wife, who was in jail, which is odd too.

    Leiby Kletzky's killer visited Orlando at the same time that Casey Anthony's trial raged on

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    He headed for Orlando's usual big draw, the capitol of childhood, Walt Disney World. He told his ex-wife on the phone that he had gone to live out a dream and audition for "American Idol."

    "That was a big dream of his," the ex-wife said. "He told me they raised the age so you could be older and still compete."

    The age limit of 28 is, in fact, unchanged, and the show held no auditions in Orlando that weekend. The 34-year-old Aron was almost certainly speaking of Disney World's year-round "America Idol Experience" attraction.

    Anyone over 14 is eligible to audition for the make-believe reality show and maybe even perform onstage. The ones who receive the most audience votes at each night's finale get a Dream Ticket that affords a chance to audition for the real show.


    Only, there is a hitch. A winner can only use a Dream Ticket if he is no older than the show's maximum age limit, which is not expected to change.


    Not that it really mattered, for Aron does not seem to have made it anywhere near a Dream Ticket. He told his ex-wife on the phone that he had auditioned for the real "American Idol," but in the next moment, he seemed unable to lie even to himself.


    "Oh, I'm just kidding," he said, according to her recollection.

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    It seems like the very closed nature of the community that we were hoping would help find Leiby actually prevented Levy from being arrested earlier and being on record which might have made him the first place they checked when Leiby was missing.
    Just my opinions (and I have been wrong before)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    This just makes me sick. Walt Disney World.

    And it seems as if he was still talking to his ex-wife, who was in jail, which is odd too.

    Leiby Kletzky's killer visited Orlando at the same time that Casey Anthony's trial raged on

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    Levi has two ex wives. both of their first names start with D. One is in federal prison, the other still lives in TN IIRC. I think the ex wife in prison was interviewed by the media, but it was the other ex wife he shared his FL plans with.
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