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    1. Please thank this post if you feel right now that the RN case is a murder case.

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    2. Please thank this post if you feel right now that the RN case is a suicide case.

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    3. Please thank this post if you feel right now that the RN case is either a murder or suicide case not sure which yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington View Post
    She sure went to a lot of trouble to kill herself........
    IMO
    Exactly, and that's why I am not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    It's unfair to say that since they have money, LE will call a murder a suicide.


    Sorry to say colette, it is not that unusal. Mayors, judges, police can be bought. It's always who you know, and people with that much $$$ know people in very high places. I'm not saying that is what will happen in this case, but it does happen!

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    The Mystery On Coronado Island has just sent Casey Anthony's $1million Interview Value to $5.25

    I am now fully engulfed in the new mystery. Casey, you may now shop openly at Walmart and WinDixie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina2011 View Post
    The Mystery On Coronado Island has just sent Casey Anthony's $1million Interview Value to $5.25

    I am now fully engulfed in the new mystery. Casey, you may now shop openly at Walmart and WinDixie.

    "Something's not right with that girl" - Jose Baez during Opening Statement

    My post may only be used on Websleuths. Thanks.

    All post are my opinion and speculation only and are not meant as anything else.......so unless I'm quoting MSM, take it for what it's worth!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsu View Post
    Her feet were bound, so maybe that prevented kicking?

    IIRC her ankles had bindings on them but were not bound together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrina2011 View Post
    The Mystery On Coronado Island has just sent Casey Anthony's $1million Interview Value to $5.25

    I am now fully engulfed in the new mystery. Casey, you may now shop openly at Walmart and WinDixie.
    Oh, Sabrina, you are GOOD, you are very, very GOOD.

    But..but, what about Target??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Jacy View Post
    Sorry to say colette, it is not that unusal. Mayors, judges, police can be bought. It's always who you know, and people with that much $$$ know people in very high places. I'm not saying that is what will happen in this case, but it does happen!
    I don't think most of it is actually 'buying' them off, but if you are involved in something like this your connections are going to 'not believe it', they are going to try to find any other explanation, they are not going to want to look into your personal life, they don't want retribution later... maybe even more than this, but the list is a start. If your high level connection owes you a favor or just can't fathom you didn't do something, that may just tip a decision one way or the other. There are also other economic reasons - no one wants the real estate in certain neighborhoods to go down, figuratively and literally. But then again, no one wants an unsolved crime in a pricey resort area - on this one though, it would fade away and people would put it down to a suicide. If not, it's not a killer on the loose who will kill again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I don't think most of it is actually 'buying' them off, but if you are involved in something like this your connections are going to 'not believe it', they are going to try to find any other explanation, they are not going to want to look into your personal life, they don't want retribution later... maybe even more than this, but the list is a start. If your high level connection owes you a favor or just can't fathom you didn't do something, that may just tip a decision one way or the other. There are also other economic reasons - no one wants the real estate in certain neighborhoods to go down, figuratively and literally. But then again, no one wants an unsolved crime in a pricey resort area - on this one though, it would fade away and people would put it down to a suicide. If not, it's not a killer on the loose who will kill again.
    Actually, I wasn't just talking about money, JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsu View Post
    From this photo (upper right corner)...when comparing the balcony to the other windows, it would appear that there are doors up on the balcony.

    ETA: Better link http://www.dndb.info/gallery/18/Fhomes1-2-8.jpg

    I dunno--whatever is above the balcony looks the same height to me as the windows on the lower level.

    That would be some short French doors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sargenet View Post
    There are french doors that open on that balcony.

    If the brother walked out and saw her hanging it would have taken a heck of a long time to get into the house, up to the room, then cut her down...with the chance that she fall and get more injured..

    Also...if he sees her hanging he isn't going to have enough time to find a ladder... so I would think he would grab the nearest table in the courtyard and pull it over to try to get her down. That balcony is pretty high....

    The leg on the table could have been broken when he pulled the table over and when he got her down and her weight fell on him etc....

    I think someone pushed her body over the balcony....
    But what did he grab to cut her down WITH, and where did he grab this item from?

    I'm not arguing with you, just throwing out a question.
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    from a MSM link.

    "There are documentations of incidents throughout the country where people have secured their feet and hands as well to commit suicide, so we have to keep an open mind," San Diego County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Roy Frank said.

    The motivation is so they can't change their minds and free themselves.

    "Some of the psychologists will tell you once that decision is made, there is an urge of self-preservation, and this is one way to preclude oneself from stopping an attempt to end their life," Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon said.

    One possible suicide theory is that Zahau might have hung the noose from the balcony, binding her hands and feet before stepping off a table. A table was one of the items taken from the mansion as evidence.

    http://www.cbs8.com/story/15119133/w...deaths-mystery

    From the photos on the Fox 5 site, clear pictures of the round table directly underneath the balcony. With a broken leg (on the house side of it). In that location it is also smack over the top of the walkway, where one would not normally expect to find a table.

    For the sake of decency, I'm not going to post any of those death scene photos here.

    I believe either she placed it there to launch herself off, or Adam moved it there to cut her down. Leg may have broken when she jumped off it? Or tried to kick it away (this presumes suicide). Or broke from weight of Adam and/or Rebecca.

    Same table with broken leg seen leaving as evidence at the same time as an apparent rolled up rug and a framed picture.

    to revise the 6 or 7 step process I listed out fairly early in the Thread 1, that would make suicide possible, even if not necessarily likely...

    1) Rebecca ties one end of rope around rails on the balcony. Then drops rest over the edge, with noose already tied.

    2) goes outside, now buck naked if she wasn't already in step 1 above.

    3) binds her ankles with perhaps excess electrical cord (appears to be orange around them, so my best guess)

    4) puts noose over head

    5) binds her hands in front of her. Was reported early on with electrical cord. Somehow gets her legs thru her arms so that her arms are now behind her.

    6) kicks table away, and possibly it breaks a table leg in the process.

    where I have problem is did she sit/stand on the table to maneuver her legs thru arms? Not a heck of a lot of wiggle room up, and unless she was able to stick her head thru a large noose left hanging AFTER getting her arms behind her, she would have had to do that with the noose presumably tightening around her neck already from bending, sitting, whatever.

    If said scenario worked that way, her feet wouldn't have been very far off the ground, but still far enough that Adam may have grabbed the table (if already broken) and propped it upright against the house for some support in a hurry to get up high enough to cut her down.

    Or broke it when he got up there to cut her down.

    Comes down to if you believe she chose to take her own life, but based on what little we know, at this juncture I think it's certainly feasible.

    One late night phone call from Jonah to tell her she needed to leave, or that poor Max was never going to come home alive, either one could have been the trigger.

    As to comments about the scene showing a lot of "anger" I wonder if the framed painting, photo, or whatever they took had been used to leave a "message" of sorts. I.e. spray painted, slashed, in some way destroyed.

    Still curious as to the rug. Perhaps merely she chose to disrobe and leave clothes on it. I doubt they are going to find bloody socks or gloves, but if her clothing was there, it departs to check for DNA, fibers, hairs, whatever else they'd look at to see if another person was there.

    heck, bring in Dr Vass and his sniffer.

    I do recall something from an earlier LE interview that suggested that room was in some level of disarray, but will have to dig to see if I can find it.

    Did Rebecca perhaps trash the bedroom out of anger or great sense of despair (or both), or was there a huge struggle?

    Patiently we wait for LE to conclude its investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Jacy View Post
    Oh, Sabrina, you are GOOD, you are very, very GOOD.

    But..but, what about Target??
    that just shows you how engulfed I am in the new case.. HOW the heck did I not name Target.. Her home away from home!

    To keep on topic, I am trying to enhance and enlarge the un-pixelated photo of RN's death. Very sad

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