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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    It is normal to feel guilt, but to kill herself over this?
    How about killing yourself over your dream of becoming a multi millionaire's wife going down the toilet -- going back to your 9 to 5 job on a salary of about 50K if you are lucky. She liked the high life -- her ex husband mentioned that she let the riches and wealth get to her head. She did steal $1,000 dollars worth of jewelry from Macys b/c she probably liked the glittery things -- the high fashion. It wasn't food, or money for rent, or for a medical reason -- it was nice glittery jewelry...you can't afford it so you steal it and wear it and pretend that is your style...you are a woman of fashion with nice jewelry. I feel almost mean for saying this...and I apologize if I do. I really could have been any number of reasons.

    A second reason which is more horrific is that she truly did cause the death of that child..and that the doctors told the parents that it was only through foul play that he could have become "brain dead." Maybe she saw the immediate disconnect from JS...

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    There is no way someone can only became "brain dead" through foul play. If the child fell and was not breathing, the lack of oxygen to the brain will cause brain death. Brain dies very quickly of lacking oxygen, we are talking within minutes.
    Just my opinion

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    I guess I can't post the link but someone on another forum claims the table below the balcony was carried there by LE, it wasn't originally there. She claims she saw them do that (with gloves on ) and thinks it was to photograph it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    There is no way someone can only became "brain dead" through foul play. If the child fell and was not breathing, the lack of oxygen to the brain will cause brain death. Brain dies very quickly of lacking oxygen, we are talking within minutes.
    But what if there is other evidence that points a finger at Rebecca - what if GS said it was RN's fault. Why did they remove GS from the house so immediately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    I agree with you on this, Lawgirl!

    I just donít understand the PR silence from JSí camp regarding RNís death.

    Surely, either way you look at the RN case (murder or suicide), and given the close relationship between RN and JS, and since this has received so much publicity and he is founder of a public company, to me it seems to demand a formal, public statement of RN was a lovely woman, I will miss her, and Iím grieving, or whatever.

    Only legitimate reason I can think of for not making a public statement at this time is if RN was truly responsible for MSís fall/death OR if someone were trying to falsely pin MSí death on RN.And if it was false pinning, maybe then it would be more believable that RN committed suicide?? Whether true or not?

    What are we missing about this silence?
    BBM

    RN was found Wednesday morning.......Maxie was still in the hospital....the family did not announce his passing until Sunday......

    I think their silence may tell us of their guilt......they blamed her for Maxie's condition..........or they silenced her before she could tell what really happened.........

    Gosh, I would hope my partner of 2 years would issue a statement.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    I agree with you on this, Lawgirl!

    I just donít understand the PR silence from JSí camp regarding RNís death.

    Surely, either way you look at the RN case (murder or suicide), and given the close relationship between RN and JS, and since this has received so much publicity and he is founder of a public company, to me it seems to demand a formal, public statement of RN was a lovely woman, I will miss her, and Iím grieving, or whatever.

    Only legitimate reason I can think of for not making a public statement at this time is if RN was truly responsible for MSís fall/death OR if someone were trying to falsely pin MSí death on RN.

    And if it was false pinning, maybe then it would be more believable that RN committed suicide?? Whether true or not?

    What are we missing about this silence?
    That JS is royally pissed at and blames her for making him kill her? (if he's a sociopath.......)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I personally don't see why she would be so distraught and guilty in case of an accident. And it's not her biological child. His biological mother and father obviously didn't kill themselves over this, so why would she? In addition, her sister didn't think she was suicidal.
    I would be completely distraught if a 6 yr old died of a horrible injury while under my care. I would be inconsolable. Especially if I had been negligent in some way. we do not even know exactly how he died, but I think there is more to the story than a simple fall on the stairs. There are rumors that he fell from the upstairs balcony even. How could that happen? And apparently her 13 yr old sister was present. What if she was afraid that she was involved somehow? { I am NOT saying she was involved.Just saying it may have made RN feel guilty somehow.]

    I can see several possible scenarios in which RN might feel tremendous guilt or shame after this adorable child's death. And if the parents were not present, then perhaps they would not feel the same guilt or responsibility that she did. They were still in shock, sitting in the hospital, and she was back at the scene of the accident, waiting and knowing the truth.

    But I don't believe she killed herself. I think she was killed. If I had to guess right now, I would say by someone hired by Max's mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawgirl View Post
    How about killing yourself over your dream of becoming a multi millionaire's wife going down the toilet -- going back to your 9 to 5 job on a salary of about 50K if you are lucky. She liked the high life -- her ex husband mentioned that she let the riches and wealth get to her head. She did steal $1,000 dollars worth of jewelry from Macys b/c she probably liked the glittery things -- the high fashion. It wasn't food, or money for rent, or for a medical reason -- it was nice glittery jewelry...you can't afford it so you steal it and wear it and pretend that is your style...you are a woman of fashion with nice jewelry. I feel almost mean for saying this...and I apologize if I do. I really could have been any number of reasons.

    A second reason which is more horrific is that she truly did cause the death of that child..and that the doctors told the parents that it was only through foul play that he could have become "brain dead." Maybe she saw the immediate disconnect from JS...
    BBM You can only get really cheap jewelry for under $1,000.00 Trust me. My sister, my friends, my family used to be jewelry junkies. We would spend thousands on just one piece of GOOD jewelry. Glad we grew up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    I can easily see a young woman being so distraught and guilty over her future stepson's accidental death, that she might take her own life.

    But, imo, she would leave a note, explaining her sense of guilt, and apologizing. And would she do so by hanging herself, bound and NAKED? I don't buy that part at all.

    If she had even hung herself in the bedroom, after writing a note and putting on clean PJs then I might believe it.
    I think what we (in general) do is try to make sense out of an illogical act done by another and imo it is impossible to apply logic.

    Most that commit suicide do not leave suicide notes. So I don't think that is odd. Imo they are focused solely on their own pain and the way to make it go away and not thinking about those who love them. They may even think their loved ones are better off without them.

    Being naked can mean different things to different people who contemplate and carry out suicides. The literature does say those who are naked when they try to commit suicide are at the highest risk. They are very serious and determined.

    I have put up this link before a couple of times but I do think it is a valuable link to show why women do commit suicide naked and exposed.

    Naked Suicides:

    Conventional wisdom has it that a woman found hanging naked is most likely a homicide or a staged suicide.5 It is thought that "feminine modesty" carries over into a suicidal death. Nonetheless, women do hang themselves or induce asphyxia by other means while naked.

    The disposition of clothing found at the site of a naked suicide attempt or completion can yield valuable clues to the individual's mental state. Clothes that are neatly arranged point to a planned suicide. Clothes strewn about raise the question of compulsivity or mental disorganization secondary to a severe psychiatric condition, substance abuse, or sexual homicide.

    Naked suicide can be associated with any method of suicide; however, anecdotal evidence indicates that it occurs more frequently with hanging, overdose, or drowning, but to a lesser extent in jumping deaths.

    Naked suicide suggests a variety of psychological themes. The shedding of clothes may symbolize a new beginning, a rebirth and cleansing, or a sloughing off of the world. In the biblical description of Christ's resurrection, his clothes, a symbol of an unregenerate world, were left behind as he ascended into heaven.11

    Anger and vengeance can be expressed by completing suicide while naked, especially when it is intended to traumatize a survivor. The shock of discovering a naked suicide inflicts an indelible, traumatic memory that can haunt a survivor for a lifetime.12 The person who completes suicide while naked may intend to add insult to a suicide survivor's already devastating injury.

    http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

    So in all truthfulness we will never know why she did what she did and why she did it the way she did it. (If it is a suicide)

    She very well could have been angry with Jonah if he questioned her wanting to know how Max could have been so seriously hurt and maybe asking her why wasnt she watching him.

    Or it could just be she felt she came into this world naked and felt she should leave the same way. More like a spiritual event and an atonement for her guilt.

    So I don't find it odd if she hung herself from the balcony and she was naked when she did it.

    And experts have already said that some of those who commit suicide do bind their hands and feet. I really think that is done so they cant change their minds and try to grab the rope as it tightens.
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    I think Dina flipped on Rebecca...totally lost it... staged the murder to look like suicide (although) IMO that was a pretty stupid suicide scene...

    When I look at pics at pics of her , I can see how insanley jealous she probably was of Rebecca....
    I bet she caused lots of problems in Rebeccas relationship with JS.


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    Was she with JS at the time of the Macy's incident?

    I wish media would let go of some of their licensing fee money and have a sit down with the newly divorced Neil Z. (May-Right?)
    I know the price would be high, surly he has been told to zip it.
    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendy101 View Post
    I think Dina flipped on Rebecca...totally lost it... staged the murder to look like suicide (although) IMO that was a pretty stupid suicide scene...

    When I look at pics at pics of her , I can see how insanley jealous she probably was of Rebecca....
    I bet she caused lots of problems in Rebeccas relationship with JS.
    Well, she could probably get a temporary insanity plea under all the circumstances/ Still, you think she arranged for the hypothtical killing, or did this herself? She does look like a fairly fit lady herself, larger than average; but RN was quite fit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawgirl View Post
    A man with two failed marriages, mega rich, I HIGHLY doubt he was truly planning to propose just like that...but then again I don't know the dynamics of the relationship. His divorce from Dina was officially over in January of 2011 -- that just happened.
    I see him more as a serial proposer. In fact, older men who have money and prestige often think it is better for their image to be married or for some reason they want to be married. I had a first hand encounter with this, not as rich as Jonah, but the guy was a serial proposer looking for his third wife. He gave at least 3 different women the same rock. Of course, he had to get it back before he could give it to the next one. There's good reason to be married I guess... it's for the image, but also to provide stability, someone to take care of the home or share that, and a regular companion/sex partner. I guess it means a lot when one is so busy

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    Ocean ... this article, once again, should be taken with a grain of salt. It is based on anecdotal evidence and is exploratory research per the author.

    Naked Suicide
    http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

    Anecdotal evidence - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
    The expression anecdotal evidence refers both to evidence that is factually unreliable, as well as evidence that may be true but cherry-picked or otherwise ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I see him more as a serial proposer. In fact, older men who have money and prestige often think it is better for their image to be married or for some reason they want to be married. I had a first hand encounter with this, not as rich as Jonah, but the guy was a serial proposer looking for his third wife. He gave at least 3 different women the same rock. Of course, he had to get it back before he could give it to the next one. There's good reason to be married I guess... it's for the image, but also to provide stability, someone to take care of the home or share that, and a regular companion/sex partner. I guess it means a lot when one is so busy
    There is no hint that he had another girlfriend though. He and Rebecca seemed to be very close and happy for 2 years or more.

    So I don't see him bouncing from one woman to another and with his money he could have a different woman every night if he wanted to.

    IMO
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