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    Changes at Lauren Giddings Crime Scene

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    Story Created: Jul 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM EDT

    Story Updated: Jul 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM EDT
    It's been three weeks after the dismembered body of Lauren Giddings was found outside of her apartment at Barristers Hall on Georgia Avenue. Today the complex is quiet, keys for the apartments involved in the investigation have been returned, and there is no longer a marked police car out on the scene.

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    SmoothOperator, did I catch what you said in the previous thread correctly? The dismembered female body found in Chicago on June 22, 2011 has not been solved? So, 3 days before LG disappeared, another young woman's dismembered body was found in Chicago. It probably isn't connected, but these are not the only 2 I have ran across. I know another young woman was found in Atlanta in 2010. These cases have not been solved. And there are a few more I found.

    The dates between the one in Chicago and LG do make me take notice. Strange connection there. Might explain the intense FBI interest so early on.

    Like I noted, most of the dismemberments involving females that I ran across which had been solved were committed by someone extremely close to the victim. Mainly a boyfriend, husband, or lover. Not by acquaintances or people on the outskirts of their relationship circle. The unsolved ones seem to lean towards random crime or some total stranger choosing the victim. Reading all of that made me really have to think about this.

    Don't get me wrong. We had a creepy neighbor kid who was obsessed with my daughter. We noticed it in middle school when he made strange comments and built a fort in the backyard to watch her (and it wasn't in HIS backyard, but a neighbor of his). It moved into high school where he told her about her being in his dreams. Then his $2000 dog showed up on our back porch. We don't live in a subdivision, but near one. No connection from his yard to ours. Moving on to contacting all of her friends and becoming obsessed with their whereabouts. These are just a few of the things he did. This kid was creepy from the beginning. And he was HIGHLY intelligent. Full academic scholarship to a different school than my daughter (thank goodness!). He still knows when she is home from school and makes contact from time to time. Him, I could see doing this type of thing. But, his loose screw was noticeable for years. We aren't hearing these kind of stories from SM's past. No one from his middle school or high school years is coming forward talking about how strange he was then, or how he did creepy things. So, why would it suddenly appear on this one night?
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    Yes, that's correct.. I had to quickly edit to add that I was wrong.. The dismemberment of another young woman was same date in Chigago and it was her who was found to have been stabbed and dismembered by her bf, Ward.. I just assumed it to be the case you'd posted as who would think there'd be two different young women dismembered in Chicago at the same time?.. But further digging led me to find that was indeed the case.. Trisha Sandler was murdered and dismembered by her boyfriend and at/around the same time so was this UNidentified young woman that was found dismembered in the garage of a vacant house.. That case I cannot find anything else about.. Cannot even find that the victim was identified.. Young 17-25yoa and a tattoo on her hand.. Sounds as tho that would definitely narrow the possibilities down quite a bit.. But yet I've still yet to find any more about it..

    Whats the distance between Chicago and Macon?? 8-10hrs that's just a guess.. I'd like to be able to find more about it..


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    Couldn't see how to "quote" from the previous thread (#2),

    but in reply to Knox earlier; I didn't intend to "post and run". I was at work.

    I had commented earlier in thread #2 that SM did not appear to be drugged or "out of it" as had been stated by "Harry Potter" and I really am still curious what makes Harry think that SM was "drugged out of his head" ???

    Has anyone figured out why the chief was out in front of the appts about an hour ago? looked like an interview maybe? Anyone know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by currcat View Post
    ~Snipped~

    Has anyone figured out why the chief was out in front of the appts about an hour ago? looked like an interview maybe? Anyone know?
    Could it have been the Nancy Grace thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by currcat View Post
    Couldn't see how to "quote" from the previous thread (#2),

    but in reply to Knox earlier; I didn't intend to "post and run". I was at work.

    I had commented earlier in thread #2 that SM did not appear to be drugged or "out of it" as had been stated by "Harry Potter" and I really am still curious what makes Harry think that SM was "drugged out of his head" ???

    Has anyone figured out why the chief was out in front of the appts about an hour ago? looked like an interview maybe? Anyone know?
    I can't speak for Harry Potter, but in my opinion, SM's pupils eyes appeared highly dilated- unnaturally so. From what I've seen, this can sometimes be a side effect of some mental health drugs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoMom View Post
    Could it have been the Nancy Grace thing?
    No, at least not tonite's Nancy Grace segment. No video we haven't already seen. and none of MPD Chief Burns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    Yes, that's correct.. I had to quickly edit to add that I was wrong.. The dismemberment of another young woman was same date in Chigago and it was her who was found to have been stabbed and dismembered by her bf, Ward.. I just assumed it to be the case you'd posted as who would think there'd be two different young women dismembered in Chicago at the same time?.. But further digging led me to find that was indeed the case.. Trisha Sandler was murdered and dismembered by her boyfriend and at/around the same time so was this UNidentified young woman that was found dismembered in the garage of a vacant house.. That case I cannot find anything else about.. Cannot even find that the victim was identified.. Young 17-25yoa and a tattoo on her hand.. Sounds as tho that would definitely narrow the possibilities down quite a bit.. But yet I've still yet to find any more about it..

    Whats the distance between Chicago and Macon?? 8-10hrs that's just a guess.. I'd like to be able to find more about it..

    I think it would be closer to 12 hours myself, but it would depend on the route. The Zaxby's where LG was last seen purchasing food is very near I-75 and I-16 both, with I-75 being the most likely route coming into Macon from the Chicago area. That entire downtown area is full of vagrants and homeless these days.

    Not saying it isn't possible, just don't think its very plausable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawette32 View Post
    I can't speak for Harry Potter, but in my opinion, SM's pupils eyes appeared highly dilated- unnaturally so. From what I've seen, this can sometimes be a side effect of some mental health drugs.
    I'll have to go back and watch again, I did not notice his pupils appearing dilated.


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    http://www.41nbc.com/news/local-news...urt-appearance
    Judge Tilman Self is expected to make a decision early next week. McDaniel faces up to 40 years in prison for these felony charges.
    Wow. Forty years in prison is a long time to serve for entering unlocked, unoccupied apartments and taking something of very little value. But, the article below explains how the laws defining felony burglary in many states have broadened in recent years. Still, the article below mentions a maximum sentence of ten years, and that is for aggravated burglary, which shows intent to cause harm. I wonder if the severity of punishment SM is facing for burglary is what Mrs. McD wanted to address in court today. It seems odd that the mother of a law school graduate wouldn't know proper courtroom conduct, but I think she is overwhelmed by what her son faces. Her dreams for him of becoming a lawyer ... and possibly one day a supreme court judge ... was so near fruition and now, suddenly, he's on the wrong side of the law, with the possibility of spending more than half his life in prison.


    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-felony-burglary.htm
    Felony burglary is generally defined as breaking into a building with the intention to commit some kind of crime. In contrast, misdemeanor burglary is breaking into a building without the intent to commit a crime, and it is generally applied to homeless people who break into unoccupied buildings so that they can sleep in them. There was a time when felony burglary required a specific intent to commit a felony, but newer laws have broadened the definition so that any crime can qualify. In some US states, felony burglary can also be charged for breaking into a structure that is likely to be occupied at the time, partly because that is seen as a threatening act. The specific laws and penalties regarding felony burglary vary significantly in different places.

    In general, the penalties for all the different types of felony burglary are separated by degrees. Aggravated burglary is commonly a first-degree felony, and it is usually defined by either an intent to cause harm or the act of carrying deadly weapons during the burglary. Second-degree felony burglary is generally defined as breaking into a structure with the intent to commit a crime while someone is inside or likely to be there. Third-degree felony burglary is breaking into a structure when it’s unoccupied and likely to be unoccupied. Fourth-degree felony burglary is breaking into a structure that’s occupied without the intention to commit a crime.

    There have been some major changes over the years regarding burglary laws in the US that greatly broaden definitions. One example would be the State v. Moore ruling in the state of Ohio, which made it so that even pushing open an unlocked door could be considered forceful enough to be burglary. There have also been adjustments to the definition of an “occupied structure” which have broadened it to the point where an actual occupant is not necessarily required in every locality. Since the variation in laws is so great in different areas, a person seeking legal advice about a burglary charge would be advised to carefully examine his local laws.

    Felony burglary is generally regarded as a serious crime. Even fourth-degree burglary can result in prison sentences of up to 18 months in many locations, while aggravated burglary often brings prison sentences of up to 10 years, along with relatively large fines. Prison sentences can sometimes be significantly longer because of other crimes committed during the burglary, especially in aggravated burglary cases.


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    More from BB, the apartment complex owner.

    She has some interesting things to say this time.

    More concerns surfaced after the public learned that Stephen McDaniel had a master key. He is currently jailed for two counts of burglary from allegedly entering two unlocked apartments. Boni Bush, the owner of the complex says all current door locks are being replaced.

    "I have requested information from Stephen's attorney about how he got the key. Stephen has stated that he did not have a master key all I know is that we'd ever given a master key to a student," says Bush.

    The e-mail also addresses some issues about the murder, saying that Lauren's apartment was never broken into and it was widely known where she kept a spare key outside the apartment.

    "I spoke to Lauren's dad yesterday and we discussed the frustration, not frustration toward the police or anything, we just all want this to be over," Bush.

    Stephen McDaniel was scheduled to move out July 15th. His parents arrived at the complex Friday for the first time and will be packing up this weekend.

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    Dilated pupils can be for an entire multitude of different reasons.. Can be due to medications and I wouldn't doubt in the least that this individual who is housed in the infirmary ward of the jail would be prescribed meds.. Meds that make you out of it or drugged up? No..More likely meds like paxil zoloft, effexor which are very commonly used anti depressants/anti anxiety meds which are known to cause dilated pupils.. I could easily see this, but drugged up and out of it? Nope..

    There are also a multitude of reasons outside of his being prescribed meds in jail.. Including some peoples are dilated larger than others on a regular basis for many health reasons, brain related and mental issues as well.. Along with also withdrawal from many different drugs and meds cause the dilation.. So, it could even be from some type of regularly used med or drug for an extended period of time prior to his being incarcerated and his now having withdrawal from that substance would cause dilated pupils as well..

    Tons of causes and tons of reasons non of which IMO indicate in any way this individual is "drugged up" or "totally out of it"..


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    Regarding an email BB sent out to incoming tenants of Barristers Hall:

    http://www.newscentralga.com/news/lo...126038238.html
    The e-mail also addresses some issues about the murder, saying that Lauren's apartment was never broken into and it was widely known where she kept a spare key outside the apartment.

    "That says something about how safe my kids feel that they leave their apartments unlocked for their friends," says Bush.
    Interesting comment by BB. Hiding a key outside an apartment for emergency use is not the same as leaving the door unlocked. I wonder if this rationale will be used in McD's defense during his burglary trial - the idea that Barristers Hall has an "open door" policy? He denies that he had a master key:

    "I have requested information from Stephen's attorney about how he got the key. Stephen has stated that he did not have a master key all I know is that we'd ever given a master key to a student," says Bush.


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