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    Quote Originally Posted by Previous Admonitions View Post
    I didn't say that exactly, and not sure anyone did ... there was some discussion upthread about if LE did indeed find another body part or three in the vicinity. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. All I was saying was it is unlikely (though not impossible) that someone would abduct LG, kill her elsewhere, then return her dismembered body to her former residence, under the nose of the police.
    Do we know the body was returned under the nose of the police? Do we know what day the torso was placed in the trash bin?

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    wow...the rumors flying around...i think i have seen every single one that has been mentioned around town posted here... except the one that claims blood was found on SM's shoes and that they were then sent to the crime lab for further testing...we need that presser tomorrow... we really do...thank you macon pd. if SM is not the one that did this, I feel really truly sorry for him and his family. if he did do it, we deserve to know something more concrete tomorrow. asap.

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    Outside the apartment building, an officer smelled a foul odor and found the body. Giddings' father told The Associated Press on Thursday that police found only a torso. Police Chief Mike Burns said Thursday that he could not release more details on the case.
    Burns did acknowledge police are still looking for some of the woman's remains at a news conference Wednesday, when he announced that DNA tests -- using hair from a brush that belonged to Giddings -- confirmed she was the victim.
    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/08/1624...smembered.html
    So, here we have confirmed even thru her father that all that was found was her torso..

    Then we have the chief stating, "Burns did acknowledge police are still looking for some of the woman's remains"

    Some of the woman's remains which IMO meant that some had been recovered.. So, unlike how it has appeared to have been said in media outlets that some parts remained missing, and some of them going az far as to say the head and another body part.. Led me to believe that atleast some body parts had been recovered, thus leaving some body parts remaining missing..

    But now I can find nothing indicating that there has been even a single piece or body part that has been recovered except for the torso..

    Was I the only person under the impression that there had been something other than the torso recovered soon thereafter the torso was found? Or has it been clear to everyone that nothing but the torso has ever been located of Lauren's remains??

    This certainly is even more confusing to know that every single other body part or piece of body part have been thoroughly disposed of extremely well to have kept them still yet to have been located.. Yet the torso was put in her apt trash bin?? This makes less and less sense to me now moreso than ever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/08/1624...smembered.html
    So, here we have confirmed even thru her father that all that was found was her torso..

    Then we have the chief stating, "Burns did acknowledge police are still looking for some of the woman's remains"

    Some of the woman's remains which IMO meant that some had been recovered.. So, unlike how it has appeared to have been said in media outlets that some parts remained missing, and some of them going az far as to say the head and another body part.. Led me to believe that atleast some body parts had been recovered, thus leaving some body parts remaining missing..

    But now I can find nothing indicating that there has been even a single piece or body part that has been recovered except for the torso..

    Was I the only person under the impression that there had been something other than the torso recovered soon thereafter the torso was found? Or has it been clear to everyone that nothing but the torso has ever been located of Lauren's remains??

    This certainly is even more confusing to know that every single other body part or piece of body part have been thoroughly disposed of extremely well to have kept them still yet to have been located.. Yet the torso was put in her apt trash bin?? This makes less and less sense to me now moreso than ever...
    I think you are right that there have been some conflicting or at least confusing reports -- it's something I have been wondering about,too.

    Of course, I guess it is POSSIBLE that body parts were found during the search of the apartments, though I doubt it ... but who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    Do we know the body was returned under the nose of the police? Do we know what day the torso was placed in the trash bin?
    We do not know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    Interesting...........but I keep wondering why at the week or 2 before you both move out. He was leaving on the 15th July but parents moved him this week I think, Just odd timing or maybe perp thought "perfect" timing, thinnking he'd be gone and the body wouldnt' be discovered.
    Because it would be his last chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/08/1624...smembered.html
    So, here we have confirmed even thru her father that all that was found was her torso..

    Then we have the chief stating, "Burns did acknowledge police are still looking for some of the woman's remains"

    Some of the woman's remains which IMO meant that some had been recovered.. So, unlike how it has appeared to have been said in media outlets that some parts remained missing, and some of them going az far as to say the head and another body part.. Led me to believe that atleast some body parts had been recovered, thus leaving some body parts remaining missing..

    But now I can find nothing indicating that there has been even a single piece or body part that has been recovered except for the torso..

    Was I the only person under the impression that there had been something other than the torso recovered soon thereafter the torso was found? Or has it been clear to everyone that nothing but the torso has ever been located of Lauren's remains??

    This certainly is even more confusing to know that every single other body part or piece of body part have been thoroughly disposed of extremely well to have kept them still yet to have been located.. Yet the torso was put in her apt trash bin?? This makes less and less sense to me now moreso than ever...
    Smooth, a couple of locals have reported rumors of remains being found in neighbors' trash cans. (Sorry. It's really hard to type that.) Besides the rumors, I feel certain it was reported in the news that parts of the remains had been found elsewhere. All of my bookmarks are pretty well tagged, but I'm not coming up with anything. So now I'm doubting myself a little.
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    Lomaker is verified on WS, I believe.

    This old post, from Thread #1, should give a bit of insight to some of the topics being discussed lately.

    Hadn't heard this about the cadaver dogs hitting on the garbage cans in the neighborhood and the garbage trucks, but, it does make sense.

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    Thanks for posting the link, Wondergirl. It's the one that sticks out in my mind most because I had asked what day was garbage picked up in the nieghborhood. I wasn't the least bit surprised when Lomaker and others said Thursday because my very first thought was that the torso was intended to be taken away with the trash. Lomaker is a verified local and has a family member who lives right in the neighborhood. His/her report about the dogs chasing the truck rings true, imo, especially since we know the landfill was searched immediately afterward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    For anyone just curious about this text, I did receive it. Most was discussed in the link above, but the end portion of the text mentioned the serial killer as a man who is ramming women from behind in their cars, then abducting them... It just said to make sure to have the police there before exiting the vehicle if you do happen to get in a wreck of any sort. The coroner has already debunked it, but I thought ya'll might be interested.... especially as the "mystery car" thing keeps coming up...

    Another thing... the talk about the underground sewer systems and the entrance near the "grotto" on Forest Hill Rd. I spent a lot of time down there (not in the sewer but at the grotto behind Highland Park apartments, as I lived in those apts for some time)... if I can find my pictures I will post them... I completely believe there is an entrance there underground... I have never found it myself... just because I was too chicken (too much of a voodoo evil feeling around the area, though it is beautiful) but my friends in the past have said many times that it is there, if you know where to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    So, can somebody help me out on this Hash Harrier thing?

    It seems to be a bit cat and mouse, like a game, and I am wondering if I have this right?

    Of course, the reason I am asking, is since it has been suggested that Lauren's remains have left in different places to taunt LE, I am wondering about it, that's all.


    Hash:

    Each run is led by a runner designated ahead of time as the Hare, who lays a trail for the other runners (the Hounds) to follow.
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    "The Hash House Harriers (abbreviated to HHH, H3, or referred to simply as Hashing) is an international group of non-competitive running, social and drinking clubs. An event organized by a club is known as a Hash or Hash Run, with participants calling themselves Hashers or Hares and Hounds."

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    Wondergirl,
    My family member is in the Hash House Harriers running group.

    The Hare plans the route ahead of the run. Sometimes it takes the Hare several days to plan the route by going out into the woods to rehearse and mark the trail. In pre-planning the run, the Hare attempts to make it a tricky challenge by designing the trail so that it turns back on itself with twists and turns, through swamps, rivers, thickets, woods, etc. so as to confuse the Hounds ( Hasher runners) ensuring that the Hare is not caught.
    The path is marked with toilet paper or flour.

    On the day/night of the race, the Hashers meet at one designated location which is at the beginning of the preplanned trail. One or several Hashers do not run, rather they set up the drinks which is beer, water and juice and wait while the others do the run. The Hare departs ahead of the other Hashers with the remainder of the Hashers following about 20 minutes later. The length of the run varies depending on the trail the Hare planned out. In order to be the Hare, one has to be clever enough to design the trail for the run so that the trail is challenging and fun. When the run is completed the runners all meet up where they started. The runners culminate the event with songs, tales about the run, drinks, and good cheer. Also, the Hare members do not use their real names. They all have funny nick names.

    The group consists of attorneys, engineers, teachers, Mercer professors, ETC. The Hashers not only run together, they also enjoy other social activities. They sometimes dress up in kilts or some other fun clothes and go bar hopping in Macon. My family member really enjoys the Hasher runs/social activities and has met some wonderful friends through this group, one of which was Lauren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandstorm View Post
    Wondergirl,
    My family member is in the Hasher House Harrier running group.
    The Hare plans the route ahead of the run. Sometimes it takes the Hare several days to plan the route. The Hare pre plans the path in which s/he attempts to make it a tricky challenge by marking the trail so that it turns back on itself with twists and turns, through swamps, rivers, thickets, woods, etc. The path is often marked with toilet paper or flour. On the day/night of the race, the Hashiers meet at one designated location which is at the beginning of the preplanned trail. One or several Hashiers do not run but drive to the location and set up the drinks which is beer, water and juice. At the onset of the race, the Hare departs about 20 min ahead of the other Hashiers with the remainder of the Hashiers following. The length of the runs vary depending on the trail the Hare planned out. When the run is completed the runners all meet up where they started. The runners culminate the event with songs and good cheer. Also, the Hare members do not use their real names. They all have nick names.
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    Interesting! How often do these runs happen -- is there a set schedule, or is it more impromptu, just when members are available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maconmeanderer View Post
    For anyone just curious about this text, I did receive it. Most was discussed in the link above, but the end portion of the text mentioned the serial killer as a man who is ramming women from behind in their cars, then abducting them... It just said to make sure to have the police there before exiting the vehicle if you do happen to get in a wreck of any sort. The coroner has already debunked it, but I thought ya'll might be interested.... especially as the "mystery car" thing keeps coming up... .
    Thanks -- you're the first person I've connected with who actually received it.

    The part I bolded above I have seen in similar "hoax" things, ones you can find at snopes.com -- looks like somebody melded a bunch of the rumors from this case together and joined them on to an old stand-by hoax for good measure. (Of course, the general idea about not exiting your car in a ramming incident unless it seems safe to do so is good advice, not a hoax!)
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    Can anyone explain if the following statement on the Macon Telegraph's website is accurate?: "Lauren Giddings, who was last seen June 25, was killed sometime on or shortly before June 30, 2011...." http://www.macon.com/giddings/#ixzz1THBK5Q00...either it is referring to "shortly before" as after June 25th when last seen...or referring to the MPD's statement to a reporter that (paraphrasing) the torso appeared to show recent death. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Sky View Post
    Can anyone explain if the following statement on the Macon Telegraph's website is accurate?: "Lauren Giddings, who was last seen June 25, was killed sometime on or shortly before June 30, 2011...." http://www.macon.com/giddings/#ixzz1THBK5Q00...either it is referring to "shortly before" as after June 25th when last seen...or referring to the MPD's statement to a reporter that (paraphrasing) the torso appeared to show recent death. Thanks!
    We don't know the answer, Sea Sky, but there was discussion on this topic earlier today. If you read posts 410-430, you'll see a number of responses to your question.
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    We're past the 500 post mark, so I'm going to open a new thread now. If we should get some real news from the presser tomorrow, we'll have a fresh thread and won't have to interrupt the flow to move to a new one.

    Please continue here...

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