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    Canton, Ohio police officer loses it on concealed carry permit holder

    http://ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html

    Interesting video. Didn't he know the camera was running?
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    WOW!

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    I once was pulled over and a cop found a ziplock bag with "white stuff' inside he was asking whats in here and my daughter started crying....I told her it was okay and told the officer that it was the remains of her peanut butter and fluff sandwich she ate every morning for breakfast he kept saying that we were lying and that made her cry even more...after awhile of torturing her he said he was just playing....I was beyond angry...of course I didn't do anything but I should have.

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    I am sure that was scary. I would be so glad to just get away, I doubt I would do anything either. Not until probably much too late.
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    Well, it's obvious the officers shut the man up in the beginning, telling him to stay still and no talking. Then when they realize that he theoretically could have blown their heads off, they get mad at him.......poor guy seems like he is trying so hard to cooperate, and the officers aren't having any of it.

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    ohh man, see this is why I hate cops!

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    I think cops have a rough job and I support the folks in uniform BUT THIS...GRRRR....makes me really angry. This a-wholio gives cops a bad name. He is not fit to serve; he needs to be fired asap.

    grrrr again.
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    This says he has been fired. Thank goodness.

    The City of Canton condemns the unlawful behavior of Daniel Harless, and has terminated his employment with the Canton Police Department. A pending investigation will determine if Mr. Harless will face criminal charges. Moreover, by August 15 we will have initiated an in-service training program designed to strengthen our police department and ensure that this type of incident cannot happen again. Finally, all charges against the defendant have been unconditionally dropped. We continue to call upon all Canton residents to place their full trust in our police department, as together we move past this horrific incident."
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    Then again, the whole scenario could have been avoided if there was no such ridiculous thing as a "concealed carry" permit. Why anyone is surprised when there are near tragic consequences to permitting citizens of a country run around with lethal weapons at their disposal is a mystery. How about we quit promoting the fallacy of self protection with firearms and instead impose harsher penalties on perpetrators of gun violence and make guns near impossible to to get unless one is a member of law enforcement??? I am embarrassed that my state recently joined the ranks of those who have drunk the "guns make us safer" kool aid. If I ever see anyone in my midst or around my child brandishing a weapon they better be law enforcement, or 911 is being called, law or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animlzrule View Post
    Then again, the whole scenario could have been avoided if there was no such ridiculous thing as a "concealed carry" permit. Why anyone is surprised when there are near tragic consequences to permitting citizens of a country run around with lethal weapons at their disposal is a mystery. How about we quit promoting the fallacy of self protection with firearms and instead impose harsher penalties on perpetrators of gun violence and make guns near impossible to to get unless one is a member of law enforcement??? I am embarrassed that my state recently joined the ranks of those who have drunk the "guns make us safer" kool aid. If I ever see anyone in my midst or around my child brandishing a weapon they better be law enforcement, or 911 is being called, law or not.
    I used to think like you do, so understand that I am happy for you that you have never been in the horrible life threatening situations others have. Enjoy this time while you have it. Your life will never be the same again when it is over.

    My change came overnight when a very mentally ill person off medications tried to kill me and my husband. When we narrowly escaped with our lives after racing to the nearest police station, this person hired a contract killer. Local police guarded our house for 24 hours while we packed and told us to stay gone as long as we possibly could, not telling anyone, even our parents and children where we were hiding. We moved every few days for 3 months and spent time in 10 states, terrified every minute. Police insisted we become licensed to carry concealed ( we had never even owned a gun, didn't want one in the house). I can tell you without a doubt that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns and you will be a sitting duck.

    If you are ever in a restaurant, grocery store, or any public venue, and a crazed person starts massacring everyone in sight, it is a carry concealed person who will likely save your life. I have seen it happen: in a grocery store by a disgruntled employee who knifed to death 4 customers before a carry concealed owner stopped him. Just something to think about.

    Puhleese keep in mind that trained and responsible carriers do NOT "brandish" their firearms around. I would be the last person in a building you would guess is carrying. But I would gladly save your life without knowing who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorenoI View Post
    WOW!

    OT:
    I once was pulled over and a cop found a ziplock bag with "white stuff' inside he was asking whats in here and my daughter started crying....I told her it was okay and told the officer that it was the remains of her peanut butter and fluff sandwich she ate every morning for breakfast he kept saying that we were lying and that made her cry even more...after awhile of torturing her he said he was just playing....I was beyond angry...of course I didn't do anything but I should have.
    No, you did the right and responsible thing. It wouldn't be a kindness to your daughter to teach her to give grief to police officers. It would only hurt her in the long run.

    (Not that there isn't a place for civil disobedience. But one bully with a badge isn't worth spending the night in jail.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLove View Post
    I used to think like you do, so understand that I am happy for you that you have never been in the horrible life threatening situations others have. Enjoy this time while you have it. Your life will never be the same again when it is over.

    My change came overnight when a very mentally ill person off medications tried to kill me and my husband. When we narrowly escaped with our lives after racing to the nearest police station, this person hired a contract killer. Local police guarded our house for 24 hours while we packed and told us to stay gone as long as we possibly could, not telling anyone, even our parents and children where we were hiding. We moved every few days for 3 months and spent time in 10 states, terrified every minute. Police insisted we become licensed to carry concealed ( we had never even owned a gun, didn't want one in the house). I can tell you without a doubt that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns and you will be a sitting duck.

    If you are ever in a restaurant, grocery store, or any public venue, and a crazed person starts massacring everyone in sight, it is a carry concealed person who will likely save your life. I have seen it happen: in a grocery store by a disgruntled employee who knifed to death 4 customers before a carry concealed owner stopped him. Just something to think about.

    Puhleese keep in mind that trained and responsible carriers do NOT "brandish" their firearms around. I would be the last person in a building you would guess is carrying. But I would gladly save your life without knowing who you are.
    I am so sorry you and your husband had that experience.

    But assuming personal firearms are needed as a deterrent, why keep them concealed? Wouldn't they be more apt to deter if they were visible?

    (I'm seriously asking and not trying to start a gun-control debate. I don't understand the reasoning behind "concealed carry".)

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    Amen OneLove!! Hubby and I got our permits last year and I am now a proud owner of a few guns myself. I never really thought about carrying one, but these days, it's scary to think about an innocent run to the grocery store or the mall for a treat at Victoria's Secret and running into a deranged, psycho. They can be anywhere, at any time and you HAVE TO be prepared.

    The class was painless, 8 hours on a Saturday. I think it cost less than $100. You get fingerprinted and an FBI background check and within a couple weeks, you have your permit. I feel safer now that I am able to "lock and load", but it is a huge responsibility.

    It's bully cops like this guy who give the other good cops a bad rap. I'm glad to read he was fired.. he needs anger management and some good counseling. As for the poor driver.. I hope he is able to heal from dramatic trauma and know he did nothing wrong. He was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLove View Post
    I used to think like you do, so understand that I am happy for you that you have never been in the horrible life threatening situations others have. Enjoy this time while you have it. Your life will never be the same again when it is over.

    My change came overnight when a very mentally ill person off medications tried to kill me and my husband. When we narrowly escaped with our lives after racing to the nearest police station, this person hired a contract killer. Local police guarded our house for 24 hours while we packed and told us to stay gone as long as we possibly could, not telling anyone, even our parents and children where we were hiding. We moved every few days for 3 months and spent time in 10 states, terrified every minute. Police insisted we become licensed to carry concealed ( we had never even owned a gun, didn't want one in the house). I can tell you without a doubt that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns and you will be a sitting duck.

    If you are ever in a restaurant, grocery store, or any public venue, and a crazed person starts massacring everyone in sight, it is a carry concealed person who will likely save your life. I have seen it happen: in a grocery store by a disgruntled employee who knifed to death 4 customers before a carry concealed owner stopped him. Just something to think about.

    Puhleese keep in mind that trained and responsible carriers do NOT "brandish" their firearms around. I would be the last person in a building you would guess is carrying. But I would gladly save your life without knowing who you are.
    BBM. No, actually, I'm quite certain it will be a member of law enforcement that will save my life. It's their job, their duty, their responsibility. I'd prefer to take my chances with LE rather than a Chuck Norris wannabe. For any example given of a citizen legally discharging a weapon during the event of a crime, I can cite 20 examples of people, particularly children, having been maimed and killed by handguns during "accidents". This is because guns are DEADLY. I am not going to debate gun control because nothing could ever possibly change my mind on the subject. Concealed carry laws are wrong and ridiculous. No one should be walking around with a gun unless they are a member of law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animlzrule View Post
    BBM. No, actually, I'm quite certain it will be a member of law enforcement that will save my life. It's their job, their duty, their responsibility. I'd prefer to take my chances with LE rather than a Chuck Norris wannabe. For any example given of a citizen legally discharging a weapon during the event of a crime, I can cite 20 examples of people, particularly children, having been maimed and killed by handguns during "accidents". This is because guns are DEADLY. I am not going to debate gun control because nothing could ever possibly change my mind on the subject. Concealed carry laws are wrong and ridiculous. No one should be walking around with a gun unless they are a member of law enforcement.

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    Just wow! Personally I don't think a public servant should be using that kind of language. He sounds like he's the dummy. No vocabulary. All of that was uncalled for. I know LE has a rough job but if they can't handle it they shouldn't be doing it. No one forces them to become cops. How can we be expected to respect law enforcement when they behave like vulgar bullies. Yes he is one guy, but his partner did nothing to stop it and I am sure it wasn't the first time. There are bad cops everywhere and it is frightening what they get away with. Yes I know that there are good cops (probably the majority even) but not all of them are and I have seen it personally. (as a witness, not a victim, lol) It is very scary and I have to think maybe anger management and psyche evals need to be done routinely to weed out some of these charactors. We read about bad cops here everyday. It undermines my level of trust in LE.

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