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    Quote Originally Posted by OR_Newshound View Post
    This is the doc I created and sent out ... the photo was provided to the Media, I put all the info on it based on what was released by the Family and by NCMEC.
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    thanks for your reply.
    I am wondering specifically about the picture with his hair bleached out...
    it is a shopped science fair photo...
    I want to know if the photo was "official" or not and who provoked the altered appearance.
    It might be too much to ask after all this time but I am curious...
    If Terri changed his appearance she probably didn't kill him afterward...
    that would be alot of unnecessary work.
    grasping at straws - I know - but thats all thats left to grab at.

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    I have a vague recollection of when that came out and I think it was submitted to the Oregonian by a reader. Someone just playing with photoshop and trying to see what he might look like without glasses, blonder hair etc. I could be wrong but I don't believe it was ever an "official" photo or flyer release.

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    Hit send too soon...yes, someone (like us) who is following the case. The only thing official that was done by LE was photoshopping Ky without glasses. The blonde hair or any other alteration was done by a citizen.

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    Sorry, posted in wrong thread.

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    Age progressions are really tough for some families to handle. I know that my girlfriend sat w/ the unopened file for days before she opened it, she wanted to remember Erin as a teenager not as an adult that has been missing since she was a teenager. I can't speak for the Hormans as I don't know them but perhaps they haven't requested one or it has been offered and they've said no? I don't know.

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    I have never read anywhere whether or not the Dr. Appt was confirmed or not to my knowledge.

    That is a big risk to lie about in a missing child's case. If you tell someone that and intend to use it as an excuse as to why he is out of school, then I would think one was made, or how do you explain this lie? I realize it bought them time, because no one was looking for Kyron, but I bet an appt was made.

    I am thinking that could have been a Plan "B" if anything went wrong. If something happened and she couldn't pull off the kidnapping, they could simply just show up at this Dr. Appt. and nothing would be out-of-the ordinary. I could be just over thinking this, but it is such a specific lie about what kind of Dr. and what he had to go for. It is something abstract if you will, not like a rash or a cold, something noticeable.
    Me either Bern. Yet I know I've heard that over and over again. The dr's appointment almost took a life of it's own. How did cute little Kyron leave that school without being seen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OR_Newshound View Post
    Age progressions are really tough for some families to handle. I know that my girlfriend sat w/ the unopened file for days before she opened it, she wanted to remember Erin as a teenager not as an adult that has been missing since she was a teenager. I can't speak for the Hormans as I don't know them but perhaps they haven't requested one or it has been offered and they've said no? I don't know.
    One age progression picture that struck me hard was Jon Benet Ramsey.

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    Sun Art work

    Okay this is something that bothers me. I am an artist as a lot of you know. I paint or draw pretty much what I know or see, or places I have been. In other words, I capture what I know. Kyron's art work used to be here on the forum but I can't find it anymore, but he drew and painted a picture of the sun. It is beautiful BTW.

    This painting is unique for a seven year old. It is stylized, meaning he did a sun that doesn't look like what you see in the sky but more a design of a sun. Most kids that age, draw or paint how things look in life. They try to paint a tree like a tree you see in the woods or in nature. This sun looks like a stained glass window or a sun he may have seen some place.

    So my question to myself is; could Kyron have been someplace with TH that had a stained glass window or a drawing/painting of this sun where they went? I have looked up Russian Art to see if I can find anything similar, but no luck.

    You may wonder why I would want to know this. It is because, some one helped her, and we don't know who, or where she met this person. I think Kyron knew the person he went with and maybe, just maybe there is a clue to where he met this person or where the person was from. I remember bill boards with his poster in Russian. We wondered why. The sun painting looks like folk art, so that is why I want to know where he saw a sun like this. Once again, it is a huge long shot, but maybe LE reads here or the family and they may hit on something.

    P.S, I won 2 place ribbon for the art show I was in last weekend.
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    I think the sun artwork was similar to the logo of a Mexican restaurant in the area. It may be nothing more than an interesting design that he tried to duplicate or to use as a base for his artwork. Someone who knows will be along to give us better info.

    No matter. It was an intricate design that was very well executed, especially by someone his age.
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    I have a child in the Portland Public Schools and it is common for the children to learn about art by studying famous artists and doing their own art in the style of those artists. When my daughter was in second grade they made their own versions of Georgia O'Keefe, Van Gogh, Matisse, and others. I really think that sun picture was Kyron's version of something they studied in class. Looked like some old Mayan or Incan art to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwenabob View Post
    I have a child in the Portland Public Schools and it is common for the children to learn about art by studying famous artists and doing their own art in the style of those artists. When my daughter was in second grade they made their own versions of Georgia O'Keefe, Van Gogh, Matisse, and others. I really think that sun picture was Kyron's version of something they studied in class. Looked like some old Mayan or Incan art to me.
    I was hoping he was influenced by something he saw around town or his area. It would be something to look into if it was, as if he left us a painted image of someplace he had been with TH or company. If by chance you do see anything similar, let us know. Cases are solved by small things sometimes.
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    there was a kyron sighting out in massachusetts at the north shore mall in peabody this past sunday...
    a woman and her daughter saw a boy and called police...
    he fit the description and wore an 'Oregon' shirt.
    how bizarre -
    mcso was contacted and filed it as just another random sighting. WTF?????

    oh - and it took authorities '' a HALF HOUR to respond '' - again - WTF???

    we're living in Dante's Cave Parable and Kyron is standing right behind us...
    just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32beatspersecond View Post
    there was a kyron sighting out in massachusetts at the north shore mall in peabody this past sunday...
    a woman and her daughter saw a boy and called police...
    he fit the description and wore an 'Oregon' shirt.
    how bizarre -
    mcso was contacted and filed it as just another random sighting. WTF?????

    oh - and it took authorities '' a HALF HOUR to respond '' - again - WTF???

    we're living in Dante's Cave Parable and Kyron is standing right behind us...
    just my opinion.
    I think Kyron looks like a lot of little boys his age, except for the glasses and his bad eye sight. That sets him apart. So they may get "sightings" and over time they don't get excited anymore, JMO. If people had a photo of him, like kept in a wallet or some place handy, they could maybe compare the boy sighted and maybe that would help. Me, if I see a boy that looks like him, he is not going anywhere until LE show up. If he is in a car, I will not let them get out of my sight.

    Thanks for the update.
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    I wonder if Kaine has sent flyers to Eye Dr's, along with his RX for glasses? He could maybe do a mass emailing to them, just in case they have filled a RX for a boy his age, could be a place to look into also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I wonder if Kaine has sent flyers to Eye Dr's, along with his RX for glasses? He could maybe do a mass emailing to them, just in case they have filled a RX for a boy his age, could be a place to look into also.
    Hi Bern, it's nice to read your words again lately.

    This post just reminded me of Mark Bosworth and how differently his family is handling things. Mark is an adult, and so could have potentially got much further on his own. The find Mark group organized volunteers almost purely online, to call every single hospital ER in the country to inquire, and to fax a poster.

    Your idea has merit, to our eyes. Why isn't the family really looking if they think he is alive? Why doesn't the current investigation make any sense to us from the outside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdx View Post
    Hi Bern, it's nice to read your words again lately.

    This post just reminded me of Mark Bosworth and how differently his family is handling things. Mark is an adult, and so could have potentially got much further on his own. The find Mark group organized volunteers almost purely online, to call every single hospital ER in the country to inquire, and to fax a poster.

    Your idea has merit, to our eyes. Why isn't the family really looking if they think he is alive? Why doesn't the current investigation make any sense to us from the outside?
    Hi PDX,

    I have thought about this before, but for what ever reason didn't post it. Is it possible to ask Kaine or family and see if this is a way to go? I don't know them, but I would be happy to assist in what ever manner I can.
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    My Theory

    I live in the Portland area, and I have been following Kyron's disappearance since the first evening he was reported missing. I have been to Skyline School several times, and I have developed my own possible theory for Kyron's disappearance. Frst of all, I am 100% convinced that Terri Horman orchestrated the whole thing. While I would love to have hope that Kyron is out there somewhere safe and well, I don't believe that he is alive at this point. This is what I think may have happened:

    Terri arrived at Skyline School in the Horman truck with Kyron and Kiara at the time she stated. One thing about pathological liars is that they tend to stick as close to the truth as possible and deceive people only as much as is necessary to get away with their scam. It is easier for them to keep eveything straight that way. I also feel that it is highly probable that Terri Horman is a narcissistic sociopath, and her entire adult life has been one of lying and scheming. She fits the profile very well.

    Terri would have parked in the parking lot immediately accessible when turning into the Skyline school property. I don't believe that she parked in the back of the buildings. I suspect that she wanted her arrival with the children to be noticed as much as possible.

    I am confident that Terri knew the layout of the inside of the school, the outside school grounds, and the daily school procedures very well considering that Kyron had been attending Skyline School for almost 3 years at the time he disappeared, and Terri had volunteered in Kyron's classroom. Skyline School is a very small school located in a rural, close-knit, community setting. Furthermore, Terri would have blended in well that day; people would not give it a second thought if she was seen leaving the school with Kyron.

    Another important consideration is that the buses were apparently operating at the normally scheduled time the day that Kyron disappeared. The school buses normally pull into Skyline School at about 8:30-8:35 am. This time correlates very closely to one of the times Terri Horman claimed to have left Kyron in the hallway near his classroom at 8:45 am. Therefore, I feel that she walked out of the school building around 8:30 am with Kiara to the truck, hoping to be seen walking without Kyron to her vehicle and leaving the school grounds. I believe that Terri told Kyron that she had to attend to Kiara for some reason, and for Kyron to wait for her at the door of the building below his classroom so that she could take him to his doctor's appointment. Then, Terri left the school building with Kiara, drove the truck out of the Skyline School parking lot, briefly down Skyline Blvd., and then backed into the access road. Terri probably put Kiara into her carseat and walked back along the access road to meet Kyron at the side exit door of his school. Once they walked down the stairs to the access road, they would be out of view. Alternatively, Terri may have instructed Kyron to meet her at the truck parked below the school on the access road so that she could take him to his doctor's appointment. I believe that Terri did make a doctor's appointment for June 11, 2010, but that she deliberately told the teacher and Kyron that the appointment was scheduled for June 4, 2010. She would have given Kyron detailed instructions to walk out the door and down the steps leading tothe access road next to the soccer field. Due to the science fair activities, and the distractions of other students being dropped off by the buses, it is unlikely that Kyron would be noticed at all leaving the school through the before mentioned door and down the steps. The access road is far enough below the school and playground, Kyron would not be visible once he walked down the steps and turned left along the access road. If anyone did actually see Kyron walking alone, it would simply later give credibility to the idea that he wandered off and got lost somewhere. If someone intercepted Kyron and escorted him to Terri at the truck, it would be a matter of explaining that she was trying to sooth Kiara in a quiet spot parked away from the school until Kyron was finished looking at the exhibits. The truck parked on the access road would not be visible from the school grounds unless someone were to walk out to the edge of the playground and look directly over the edge. The front cab of the van is higher than the covered truck bed; Kyron would not be seen by a possible person driving down Skyline Blvd. It would be an easy thing for Terri Horman to subdue Kyron and stash him in the back of the truck in a container to eliminate any forensic evidence. Then, it is simply a matter of Terri driving to the 2 Fred Meyers for her alibi building, and then at least an hour and a half spent "disappearing" Kyron from her life forever. I believe that Terri acted alone; I don't believe that a friend would willingly participate in the disposal of a child. If anyone was involved, it could be that someone gave Terri the idea of how to "disappear" Kyron, maybe from their own personal family experience. If someone physically assisted Terri, I believe that it was after the fact. For example, maybe someone helped Terri by watching Kiara. I believe that Kyron is within the Skyline community--possibly even on the Horman property--but has been overlooked in previous searches. I also feel that he could still possibly be on Sauvie Island or in the Dixie Mountain area. Unfortunately the Pacific northwest is ideal for crimes against missing persons; the terrain here is so rugged, treacherous, and vast. I don't believe that Terri is a mastermind criminal either. I feel that she has just been very lucky that Kyron hasn't been found at this point. I do sincerely believe that Kyron is out there in the local area waiting for someone to find him. I also believe that law enforcement knows that Terri Horman is 100% responsible for Kyron's disappearance, but that they don't yet have enough information to charge her for his murder. There is still the slightest possibility that Terri sold Kyron to someone. Without finding little Kyron, it is a case of purely circumstantial evidence. I have not given up hope that Kyron will be found. Just my own opinion.

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    Thanks Helenstreet. I heard that Terri was at the school the day before but I can't find a link for this. I know LE was looking for video footage of her from June 3rd as well as the 4th. I wonder what vehicle she had on the 3rd and where she went that day. If she planned this, she would have visited the place where she disposed of Kyron, to make sure everything worked out for her and to scout out the area. She needed to make sure she didn't get busted.

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    Hi Matou. Yes, I remember something about June 3, 2010. Wasn't Kyron's science fair project taken to Skyline School the day before, on June 3rd? I wonder if Terri needed the truck to take it to school as well since she claimed to need the truck for picking up the science fair project. This case has gone on so long now. I really hope that they are continuing to build their case and there will be a break soon. I feel so bad for Desiree and Kaine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helenstreet View Post
    I live in the Portland area, and I have been following Kyron's disappearance since the first evening he was reported missing. I have been to Skyline School several times, and I have developed my own possible theory for Kyron's disappearance. Frst of all, I am 100% convinced that Terri Horman orchestrated the whole thing.

    Terri arrived at Skyline School in the Horman truck with Kyron and Kiara at the time she stated. One thing about pathological liars is that they tend to stick as close to the truth as possible and deceive people only as much as is necessary to get away with their scam. It is easier for them to keep eveything straight that way. I also feel that it is highly probable that Terri Horman is a narcissistic sociopath, and her entire adult life has been one of lying and scheming. She fits the profile very well.

    Terri would have parked in the parking lot immediately accessible when turning into the Skyline school property. I don't believe that she parked in the back of the buildings. I suspect that she wanted her arrival with the children to be noticed as much as possible.

    This time correlates very closely to one of the times Terri Horman claimed to have left Kyron in the hallway near his classroom at 8:45 am. Therefore, I feel that she walked out of the school building around 8:30 am with Kiara to the truck, hoping to be seen walking without Kyron to her vehicle and leaving the school grounds. I believe that Terri told Kyron that she had to attend to Kiara for some reason, and for Kyron to wait for her at the door of the building below his classroom so that she could take him to his doctor's appointment. Then, Terri left the school building with Kiara, drove the truck out of the Skyline School parking lot, briefly down Skyline Blvd., and then backed into the access road. Terri probably put Kiara into her carseat and walked back along the access road to meet Kyron at the side exit door of his school. Once they walked down the stairs to the access road, they would be out of view. Alternatively, Terri may have instructed Kyron to meet her at the truck parked below the school on the access road so that she could take him to his doctor's appointment. I believe that Terri did make a doctor's appointment for June 11, 2010, but that she deliberately told the teacher and Kyron that the appointment was scheduled for June 4, 2010. She would have given Kyron detailed instructions to walk out the door and down the steps leading tothe access road next to the soccer field. Due to the science fair activities, and the distractions of other students being dropped off by the buses, it is unlikely that Kyron would be noticed at all leaving the school through the before mentioned door and down the steps.

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    BBM: I totally agree ...

    Over the past year, my theories on how Terrie got Kyron out of the school have "wavered" ... the more I read and the more I "think" about it, the more I change my mind ...

    But after reading your theory, I think that it is very possible that is how TH did it ...

    IMO ... I don't think TH had any sort of "elaborate plan". I think her plan was to have Kyron meet her at one of the doors, at the truck -- at a certain time so she could take him to the doctor ... and I do NOT believe she told Kyron anything about a "doctor's appointment" until the morning of the Fair ... I think TH and Kyron simply walked out of the school to the truck -- NOT together -- but eventually met up at some point ... and she was darn "lucky" there was so much activity and people around that no one probably noticed anything "out of the ordinary" ...

    IMO ... I think TH had a "plan" that was actually more "simple". I "think" that TH did schedule a doctor's appointment for the Friday AFTER the Science Fair -- not the day of ... But TH told the teacher something like "Friday - doctor appt -- sort of in a vague way -- that way TH could easily say the teacher or school "misunderstood" her ...

    One thing I am just still not sure about is whether or not TH had the baby with her at the Science Fair ... I know I have gone on a "rant" about this somewhere in one the threads here ... but IMO, there is NO confirmation that the baby was with TH in Skyline at the Science Fair.

    I do believe that TH had an "accomplice" ... BUT this "accomplice" was NOT at the school ... TH's accomplice came in at one of the FM's parking lots, or stores, maybe the gym ... and most definitely during her "alleged" 90 minutes driving around to "soothe" the baby's ear-ache ...

    I wish Kyron would be found SOON !

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    What would Terri's motive be for this premediated act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladonna View Post
    What would Terri's motive be for this premediated act?
    That's the thing. To hurt Kaine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladonna View Post
    What would Terri's motive be for this premediated act?
    Based on her reported bizarre behaviors, I don't think that a logical motive will suffice to explain why she may have been involved with his disappearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladonna View Post
    What would Terri's motive be for this premediated act?
    She didn't like Kyron and blamed him for her marriage woes. I believe she was also jealous of Desiree and felt put out that she was raising Desiree's son, doing all the hard work, yet Desiree was the "Disneyland mom." I think she was also jealous of the bond Kyron and Kaine had, and wanted that for her daughter instead.
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    I can't help feeling that TH would have acted more spontaneously, perhaps in a "drunken" rage against Kyron, if she were inclined to be rid of him, rather than spend a great deal of time and effort in concocting what seems to be an unbreakable plot. Or even staged an event where she claims Kyron was taken in a large store, something like that, even more like Sky's mom has done. Whatever happened to Kyron seems more professional to me, seeing how every LE agency in the country, more or less, has been unable to "connect the dots" in any meaningful way. In almost every case I've followed, there have been people with apparent alibis who turn out to be uninvolved, it seems. When a family is looked at under a microscope, there are almost always tensions or worse lurking below the surface, but sometimes there is still the malignant stranger who happened by to commit the crime. JMO. Keeping an open mind as to what happened to Kyron.
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