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    GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 # 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox View Post
    In that article I linked to earlier, BB made it sound like the tenant had most of his belongings out prior to Lauren's disappearance. Then returned after her body was discovered to collect the remaining items. The article does not say the person came and went in the interim period, nor does it say he didn't.

    It's a moot point really until we learn more details from the investigation. They took the fridge, perhaps on a hunch and nothing more, who knows?
    The news article I posted tells it differently. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=655
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    As I said, for me it's a moot point for now ... You have your opinion and I mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoMom View Post
    The news article I posted tells it differently. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=655
    How does this differ from what Knox posted?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoMom View Post
    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/14/1630...apartment.html

    Its tenant was in the process of moving during the time Giddings was missing, Bush said. Most of the furnishings had been removed before Giddings’ body was found, and the tenant has since finished moving out.
    Read more: http://www.macon.com/2011/07/14/1630...#ixzz1TnyQCneU
    I think they may be POIs, but people seem to dismiss it as a possibility.
    ETA: LOL Never mind. I get it.
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    My last post was the last one in Thread 4. Is there any way I can bring it over to this thread because I'd like someone to answer it for me as it has me confused. If there is a way, I don't know how to do it because this is the first case I've really participated in discussing. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl View Post
    My last post was the last one in Thread 4. Is there any way I can bring it over to this thread because I'd like someone to answer it for me as it has me confused. If there is a way, I don't know how to do it because this is the first case I've really participated in discussing. Any help would be appreciated.
    Here it is:
    I'm still a bit confused about how physical evidence from a crime is detected, removed, and analyzed. I'll give a specific example. The traps and some pipes were removed from SM's apartment and sent to the FBI to be analyzed. Did LE first verify on scene that there was blood, etc in the trap and pipes before they removed them? Or did they remove them because there might be blood, etc in them? The answer to this question would help me clarify to myself why SM may still be in jail. If LE could verify on scene that there was evidence in the trap and pipes, I could see LE holding SM for a legitimate reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl View Post
    My last post was the last one in Thread 4. Is there any way I can bring it over to this thread because I'd like someone to answer it for me as it has me confused. If there is a way, I don't know how to do it because this is the first case I've really participated in discussing. Any help would be appreciated.
    Pearl, I think the safest way to answer that question might be -- we just don't know how it occurred. It may be that there were signs of blood, tissue, etc. that Macon LE was able to detect; or then again there may not have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoods View Post
    Pearl, I think the safest way to answer that question might be -- we just don't know how it occurred. It may be that there were signs of blood, tissue, etc. that Macon LE was able to detect; or then again there may not have been.
    Also, pearl, he's being held on "burglary" charges. Nothing in connection with this case.
    The only reason he's been in so long is because his first bond had to be denied due to a second charge.
    Then, his attorney canceled the second hearing in order to try the 'conflict of interest' thing.
    When that was denied, they requested a bond hearing again (the one they canceled), which is coming up Thurs.
    So, his being detained is all about the burglary, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~SuperSleuth~ View Post
    Also, pearl, he's being held on "burglary" charges. Nothing in connection with this case.
    The only reason he's been in so long is because his first bond had to be denied due to a second charge.
    Then, his attorney canceled the second hearing in order to try the 'conflict of interest' thing.
    When that was denied, they requested a bond hearing again (the one they canceled), which is coming up Thurs.
    So, his being detained is all about the burglary, nothing more.
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    Quote from Angelanalysis

    I never felt that anything about McDaniel's reaction was "fake'' exactly, not based on the things he said or even on hearing the audio of his reaction to the finding of a body, it wasn't until I saw the video that I realized he, for whatever reason, guilty or innocent, was exaggerating his behavior for the cameras.
    It specifically was the way he sounded when he said "BODY?" and all that took place right after that. You may not be able to judge guilt or innocence based on the content of a person's reaction to something traumatic, but I think it's fair to say that human beings, no matter the situation, can get a gut feeling about if someone is a bad actor.
    It's a Rorschach test of course, since everyone may look at one person and see the whole gamut of sincerity to insincerity, but it isn't based necessarily on incorrectly expecting people to follow certain "steps" of grieving or reaction trauma, or hit certain behavioral markers.
    It's a bit like a lie detector test, your gut. It's not admissible in a court of law because it isn't 100% proof positive, but it's helpful as an investigative tool
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    People said the exact same thing about Richard Jewel. I lived in Atlanta. I was at the Olympics the next day. They thought he was a bad actor. They thought he was weird. They thought he was over dramatic. They knew in their gut something was wrong with him. The reason it's not admissible evidence is because our gut is not reliable regardless of how much we want to believe it is. What you consider normal behavior may be very abnormal for another person. We're all different. I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm saying we can't assume guilt based on the way a person acts in acute distress.


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    Originally LE said there were 2 POIs. If someone from outside killed LG and started dumping body parts around the apartments, he sure has done a good job leading LE on a wild goose chase. What a cat and mouse game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoMom View Post
    The news article I posted tells it differently. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=655
    I don't necessarily see this as an inconsistency. "In the process of moving during the time Giddings was missing" .... that to me does not necessarily imply that he was in and out of the apartment Sunday to Wednesday. Could just as easily be interpreted that he had started the moving process on or before June 25, then gone out of town for a week (or more), and returned after the torso was found. He would still be "in the process of moving" in the early part of the week, in a passive sense, because he was between the start and the finish. The statement in today's story only supports this scenario:

    "The last person who lived there, a law school classmate of Giddings and McDaniel from Dublin, had moved out by the time the refrigerator was taken. Bush said the resident had left and carried off most of his stuff before Giddings was killed.

    But on the day he went back for a final clean out, he was so shaken by what may have transpired there that he asked Bush to stay with him while he picked up."


    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/31/1649...gradually.html

    Looks to me like he did the bulk of the move out before LG went missing, then didn't return until the final clean out.

    If this downstairs neighbor was indeed a "POI" in the same way that SM is a "POI", it would be a shocking twist in the narrative. I have no doubt that he was questioned by LE. Their subsequent actions seem to indicate their focus is on one person and that is SM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3doglady View Post
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    People said the exact same thing about Richard Jewel. I lived in Atlanta. I was at the Olympics the next day. They thought he was a bad actor. They thought he was weird. They thought he was over dramatic. They knew in their gut something was wrong with him. The reason it's not admissible evidence is because our gut is not reliable regardless of how much we want to believe it is. What you consider normal behavior may be very abnormal for another person. We're all different. I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm saying we can't assume guilt based on the way a person acts in acute distress.
    There may be a lot of similarities to Richard Jewell (RIP) and Stephen McDaniel. Both "inserted themselves" into a crime scene. Both appear "odd" and "out of the ordinary". Media (AJC) had already been judge jury and executioner of Jewell, something Lin Wood made them and others pay dearly for. Jewell never got over it, and had health problems that I think were related to what all he went through. Lin Wood is from Macon I believe. I am willing to bet you he is paying attention to this case, if only from a distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Previous Admonitions View Post
    I don't necessarily see this as an inconsistency. "In the process of moving during the time Giddings was missing" .... that to me does not necessarily imply that he was in and out of the apartment Sunday to Wednesday. Could just as easily be interpreted that he had started the moving process on or before July 25, then gone out of town for a week (or more), and returned after the torso was found. He would still be "in the process of moving" in the early part of the week, in a passive sense, because he was between the start and the finish. The statement in today's story only supports this scenario:

    "The last person who lived there, a law school classmate of Giddings and McDaniel from Dublin, had moved out by the time the refrigerator was taken. Bush said the resident had left and carried off most of his stuff before Giddings was killed.

    But on the day he went back for a final clean out, he was so shaken by what may have transpired there that he asked Bush to stay with him while he picked up."


    http://www.macon.com/2011/07/31/1649...gradually.html

    Looks to me like he did the bulk of the move out before LG went missing, then didn't return until the final clean out.

    If this downstairs neighbor was indeed a "POI" in the same way that SM is a "POI", it would be a shocking twist in the narrative. I have no doubt that he was questioned by LE. Their subsequent actions seem to indicate their focus is on one person and that is SM.
    There is a big difference. If, as officially reported, they were moving out the week she was missing and had most of their items out when the body was found, then they had complete access to that apartment. And they were moving boxes and bags out of that apartment during the time she was missing and presumed dead. Plus, they had access to the refrigerator which the FBI hauled away.

    That is totally different that what everyone here has been presuming and which has not been reported. That the residents of that apartment left it before she disappeared and did not return until after her body was found. Very, very different scenarios. I have asked if anyone had found any articles verifying they were, indeed, out of that apartment during the week she was missing, or, as it has been reported, were they moving out of the apartment during that week.

    What a difference it would make! Everything so many people are supposing would have to be reconsidered. It would toss a monkey wrench into all of the stories people have come up with. Facts tend to do that. I am not looking for what people think happened, I am trying to find the fact regarding where those residents were during the tell-tale week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoMom View Post
    There is a big difference. If, as officially reported, they were moving out the week she was missing and had most of their items out when the body was found, then they had complete access to that apartment. And they were moving boxes and bags out of that apartment during the time she was missing and presumed dead. Plus, they had access to the refrigerator which the FBI hauled away.

    That is totally different that what everyone here has been presuming and which has not been reported. That the residents of that apartment left it before she disappeared and did not return until after her body was found. Very, very different scenarios. I have asked if anyone had found any articles verifying they were, indeed, out of that apartment during the week she was missing, or, as it has been reported, were they moving out of the apartment during that week.

    What a difference it would make! Everything so many people are supposing would have to be reconsidered. It would toss a monkey wrench into all of the stories people have come up with. Facts tend to do that. I am not looking for what people think happened, I am trying to find the fact regarding where those residents were during the tell-tale week.
    I understand what you're saying.
    And, I suppose the lawyers may be able to get evidence from that apartment thrown out.
    But, if evidence of her remains being in that fridge is the only evidence they have, they have nothing anyway, IMO.

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