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    Quote Originally Posted by Moreack View Post
    The rates may not have been listed when she looked at the website 8 years ago. The internet has changed since then.
    Not sure what you mean by the interent changing since 2004 that would not allow a company to list their room rates? Maura called to rent a room and they will filled.

    I have never known anyone to rent a room without asking rates. Too bad that they were filled because she had to use a CC to hold it and maybe she was going to use someone elses card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    Good point, but maybe she didn't look at the rates. She just got the phone number and called. To me, it seemed like she was hurrying around that day. Yet, maybe she was going to use a credit card.
    What makes you think she was in a hurry? When you go to that site there is the word "rates" so I'm betting she clicked on that tab. Would have been way too easy, took me less than one second to find out the rates.

    If all Maura wanted to know was the phone number then the whitepages would have been easier for only that info.

    Maura did a lot of research before she left including looking at info on pregnancy and the effects of alcohol on unborn fetus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    What makes you think she was in a hurry? When you go to that site there is the word "rates" so I'm betting she clicked on that tab. Would have been way too easy, took me less than one second to find out the rates.

    If all Maura wanted to know was the phone number then the whitepages would have been easier for only that info.

    Maura did a lot of research before she left including looking at info on pregnancy and the effects of alcohol on unborn fetus.
    Not that I think it matters a whole lot. But I just posted that link to the website of the condo that Maura called. It no way means for certain that she even looked up that place vie the internet. She likely already knew about that place, because I think her and her father stayed there before. She may have already had the phone number or in fact she may have gone to the internet site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoops View Post
    Not that I think it matters a whole lot. But I just posted that link to the website of the condo that Maura called. It no way means for certain that she even looked up that place vie the internet. She likely already knew about that place, because I think her and her father stayed there before. She may have already had the phone number or in fact she may have gone to the internet site.
    Thanks for the info. Since I believe that Maura was on her way to meet someone (and I seem to be the minority in that catagory here) I think all of that info is important. I think it possible that someone else was going to pay for the room and other expenses that may have occured on this what seemed to be long vacation. I find it hard to believe that Maura was going to kill herself when she was possibly pregnant. Maura may have decided to start over with her child all by herself. Maura was a very pretty girl and I don't find it too hard to believe that she found a man to take care of her.

    On the other hand maybe Maura was abducted by a man and killed and buried and we will never find her. I wonder what the odds are that this actually happened. I know girls who jog the same dark path night after night and although not smart in my book they do it over and over with never a problem. This would make it real easy for someone to abduct them since they have a pattern that someone could follow. There was no pattern in Maura's case. It was a chance happening on a dark cold night on a very secluded road.

    The main ingredient in any of these scenarios is there needs to be a "killer present in the area to begin with". Some may argue that maybe the man who picked Maura up on the side of the road was not a serial killer, but because he had the oppertunity to maybe rape and or kill her he took it. The problem I have with that is it could be assumed that just about any man could be a cold blooded killer given the right circumstances. I obviously do not believe that to be the case.

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    http://southshorexpress.com/extras/s...departure.html

    Here is the chronology, and pretty much what is known about the phone call. This quotation is from the Hansen Express article linked above. There is another article somewhere with just Sharon Rausch and Linda Salamone, which says pretty much the same thing. The Disappeared episode is a third source of the same account.

    Just before 1 p.m. she called Dominic and Linda Salamone, a couple who own a rental condominium at the Seasons at Attitash Resort in Bartlett, New Hampshire. Maura's family, which frequented the Bartlett area, had stayed at the Seasons, though never at this condominium.
    The Salamones don't remember the conversation with Maura but they are certain she did not book their condominium. To do so on such short notice would have been impossible, explained Linda Salamone. "We don't operate like a hotel." Rentals must be booked far in advance in order for the Salamones to drop a key in the mail.
    The call to the Salamones lasted about three minutes, records show. Linda Salamone speculates she might have offered Maura recommendations on other places to stay, though her memory was foggy by the time police finally interviewed her - nearly a year after Maura went missing…..
    At 2:05 p.m. Maura made a five-minute call to 1-800-GOSTOWE, where hotel bookings can be made. The "Go Stowe" system was actually out of order at this time so Maura could not have made a reservation and could only listen to voice recordings.
    Because there was an 8-month gap between the 2/9 call and Sharon Rausch's contact with Linda Salamone, we are in the position where we don't know for sure what was said, e.g., if Maura told Linda she was meeting someone else, how long she planned to stay, etc. We do know that the Murrays had stayed in the same condo complex (but not the Salamone condo) and we know (likely) that the Salamones have to have enough notice to mail a key. We also know that Maura tried the Go Stowe 800 number but it was down. So we can surmise she wanted to make a reservation and probably preferred a place that was known to her (maybe because she had an idea of how to get there).

    I am sure there are and were a number listings of resort rentals on the internet for
    Bartlett and Stowe. We don't know how Maura got the number for the Salamones, but I am sure LE does if she used the internet. The NH state police, however, didn't care to know what Maura might have said to one identified person she spoke to about the trip. Just sayin'.

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    I think it's very possible she was planning to meet someone. I don't think it's that track coach - my guess is his whereabouts have been thoroughly checked out -

    So, if you think she was going to meet someone, then that someone killed her. Otherwise, obviously, if one of her acquaintances went missing at the exact time she did to lead a secret life, we'd know about it.

    What would be a possible motive for a rendezvous guy to kill her? If she was pregnant, it seems the paternity of the baby is wide open here - I can't see a motive to kill a girl you were going to spend the weekend with.

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    FYI: more clarification from bank employee just in case someone missed it.

    Apparently, this person could only see partial info on the car loan.

    http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011....html#comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moreack View Post
    The rates may not have been listed when she looked at the website 8 years ago. The internet has changed since then.
    Good point. The web page in 2004 was probably different.

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    Stranger abduction and murder is relatively rare. Most of the women who "disappear" are murdered by husbands, boyfriends, exes, acquaintances, etc. Some are targets of opportunity--I mentioned Kristi Cornwell, Rachel Louise Cooke, Chandra Levy and others who were jogging. Other women have been abducted out of parking lots, etc. A woman on the road, alone in the dark and cold, in an unfamiliar place with no transportation is vulnerable. That does not mean every man is a potential threat. It means that there are predators and sex offenders in any community and a woman alone in a deserted area is a target. A decent man (school bus driver) would try to help her. A bad man would try to harm her. The problem is that she would have no way of telling the two apart. And think of how many women have a car break down or run out of gas and get help from someone, no problems, no story in the paper--we don't hear about them. The ones who disappear are the ones we know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I think it's very possible she was planning to meet someone. I don't think it's that track coach - my guess is his whereabouts have been thoroughly checked out -

    So, if you think she was going to meet someone, then that someone killed her. Otherwise, obviously, if one of her acquaintances went missing at the exact time she did to lead a secret life, we'd know about it.

    What would be a possible motive for a rendezvous guy to kill her? If she was pregnant, it seems the paternity of the baby is wide open here - I can't see a motive to kill a girl you were going to spend the weekend with.
    I can't answer for everyone, but I think she died from hypothermia, accident or a local creep took her life. I've been looking at other possibilities as more info comes in from Renner's blog. I want to stay open minded, because I don't know her, and there isn't a lot of info on the case. I don't want to come to any conclusion, because I could be missing something. Sometimes I write a theory, which I'm not totally convinced on, so I can get feedback.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pittsburghgirl View Post
    Stranger abduction and murder is relatively rare. Most of the women who "disappear" are murdered by husbands, boyfriends, exes, acquaintances, etc. Some are targets of opportunity--I mentioned Kristi Cornwell, Rachel Louise Cooke, Chandra Levy and others who were jogging. Other women have been abducted out of parking lots, etc. A woman on the road, alone in the dark and cold, in an unfamiliar place with no transportation is vulnerable. That does not mean every man is a potential threat. It means that there are predators and sex offenders in any community and a woman alone in a deserted area is a target. A decent man (school bus driver) would try to help her. A bad man would try to harm her. The problem is that she would have no way of telling the two apart. And think of how many women have a car break down or run out of gas and get help from someone, no problems, no story in the paper--we don't hear about them. The ones who disappear are the ones we know about.
    Well said. Note that the women you listed as abducted were around Maura's age. I think it was possible that an opportunist is responsible for her disappearance.

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    Some quotes from "Hoss". Be nice to know a little more about this guy.

    "I never knew her father was even alive," he says. They talked about taking a vacation to the White Mountains so she could hike and he could go fly fishing."


    "She talked about running away. She said, 'I wish I could disappear.' When I heard she was missing, I though, 'holy crap! Maybe she did it.'"

    Later, he learned she'd been sleeping with other members of the track team. "She was very promiscuous, it turns out."

    "She was super energetic. Always seemed happy. But she was sad, too. Underneath"

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    Well said. Note that the women you listed as abducted were around Maura's age. I think it was possible that an opportunist is responsible for her disappearance.
    My thinking too - she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and as unlikely as the odds are that this would happen in a remote area - this is the one in a million time that it happens. (As was said, we don't hear about all the times is does not happen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemag View Post
    Some quotes from "Hoss". Be nice to know a little more about this guy.

    "I never knew her father was even alive," he says. They talked about taking a vacation to the White Mountains so she could hike and he could go fly fishing."


    "She talked about running away. She said, 'I wish I could disappear.' When I heard she was missing, I though, 'holy crap! Maybe she did it.'"

    Later, he learned she'd been sleeping with other members of the track team. "She was very promiscuous, it turns out.

    "She was super energetic. Always seemed happy. But she was sad, too.
    Underneath
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    My impression is that he comes across as angry "underneath." He could have said that she was "seeing" or "dating" other members of the track team, but instead he said that she was sleeping with them and that she was very promiscuous. How would he know if she was sleeping with all these people? Even if he was told that, it is rumor. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. If it was true, I find it weird, after all these years, he comes across as angry "underneath." There is no doubt in my mind he was hurt, but it has been 8 years since they were together and he talks as if it was yesterday. I can't imagine how he felt in 2004. Ten times worse? They were only together for a few months at the time. I find it odd he didn't temper his description of her dating scene with kinder words. For goodness sakes, she has been missing for over 7 years and feared dead.

    He doesn't remember her talking about her father, but he remembers her saying she wanted to disappear. I don't know what to make of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSpy View Post
    My impression is that he comes across as angry "underneath." He could have said that she was "seeing" or "dating" other members of the track team, but instead he said that she was sleeping with them and that she was very promiscuous. How would he know if she was sleeping with all these people? Even if he was told that, it is rumor. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. If it was true, I find it weird, after all these years, he comes across as angry "underneath." There is no doubt in my mind he was hurt, but it has been 8 years since they were together and he talks as if it was yesterday. I can't imagine how he felt in 2004. Ten times worse? They were only together for a few months at the time. I find it odd he didn't temper his description of her dating scene with kinder words. For goodness sakes, she has been missing for over 7 years and feared dead.

    He doesn't remember her talking about her father, but he remembers her saying she wanted to disappear. I don't know what to make of that.
    Very perceptive of you. lol Was thinking the same exact thing. You gotta read between the lines a little. Up until a couple days ago this guy had a facebook page with tons of pics of him mountain climbing among other things and now for some reason it's gone.

    Oh and I find it very hard to believe that Maura never once mentioned her Dad.

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