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    I wonder if LE asked him to take a polygraph. He's probably innocent, but sometimes another tool can help bring out deception, just in case LE missed something.
    I don't believe LE even had enough for a search warrant. They only looked through his trailer (per Mr. Renner's blog) after it was sold and being towed on the highway (under the motor vehicle act). It's doubtful LE even considered him a POI. It has been floated out there on the "cyber ether" that the contractor only came forward with the sighting of a runner 5 miles down the road after a reward was posted. Again, though, only other poster's musings.

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    That February 11th Voice Message?

    Billy and Sharon believe that the 7AM call (voice message) to Billy's cell phone (while he was going thru airport security) was Maura. NH LE told Mr. Renner that the call came from the Red Cross, but remember they're not under any obligation to disclose information pertaining to an ongoing investigation. Sharon says she did contact the Red Cross the night before regarding obtaining a leave for Billy to go up to NH to help in the search and she left a message to that effect. Would an office worker at the Red Cross call back at 7AM (Central time) and not leave a coherent message? Billy apparently called the number back and it was that of a long distance calling card provider, not a 1-800 type number.

    If it was Maura and she was using her cell phone and one of the calling cards given to her by Sharon what might that mean? In order to place a call you have to first dial the calling card carrier's 10 digit number and enter a PIN number, and then the number you want to connect with. A lot of precision work if you're under extreme duress.

    1) Might an abductor have coerced her to call her boyfriend just to taunt him and didn't allow her to speak to him?

    2) Could it have been an abductor calling on the phone solo or another cell?

    3) Could it have been Maura calling after a voluntary "Walk Away" decision just to muddy the waters and let people think she's been abducted?

    The call was short (perhaps not traceable) and obviously somewhere there was cell coverage. Is it possible that comm. techs have been able to triangulate an area where the call originated? Or was it, as offered, just a Red Cross worker before a morning cup of java?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    I don't believe LE even had enough for a search warrant. They only looked through his trailer (per Mr. Renner's blog) after it was sold and being towed on the highway (under the motor vehicle act). It's doubtful LE even considered him a POI. It has been floated out there on the "cyber ether" that the contractor only came forward with the sighting of a runner 5 miles down the road after a reward was posted. Again, though, only other poster's musings.
    I disagree. He was most likley a POI at the time. Anyone who injects themselves into a criminal investigation can become a POI. If they didn't have enough for a search warrant, then were they just being thorough by looking for and utilizing a legal loophole to search it anyway? I speculate that it was probably limited to a visual search of the interior while it was parked on the highway, unless they brought the Major Crime Unit mobile forensic vehicle or cadaver dogs to the scene. Either way it doesn't matter because RF had no involvement in MM's disappearance.

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    Lots of interesting comments on JR's blog to his many posts... interesting to see if anyone there has come up with anything knew.
    One thing I've never heard mentioned - has anyone ever tried to make the trip she did with a Saturn running just on three cylinders? - Wonder what that would be like, and what kind of gas mileage one would get. Perhaps more stops for gas than would be expected; exposing her to scrutiny by undesirables..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    I don't believe LE even had enough for a search warrant. They only looked through his trailer (per Mr. Renner's blog) after it was sold and being towed on the highway (under the motor vehicle act). It's doubtful LE even considered him a POI. It has been floated out there on the "cyber ether" that the contractor only came forward with the sighting of a runner 5 miles down the road after a reward was posted. Again, though, only other poster's musings.
    I think LE thought that he could have possibly been involved with her disappearance, because he lived right next to where the dogs lost her scent in the road. Meaning, they made sure they got a look inside that trailer, because they didn't have any evidence against him to get a warrant when he was living in the trailer on his property. Ask yourself, how did LE know he was moving? They had to have been keeping tabs on him. Let's face it, he could have come forward with the story of her running 4 or 5 miles up the road to place her away from the area where the dogs lost her scent, which was right next to his property. I'm sure LE thought of this possibility too, so they did there best to check it out, even though they had constitutional limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    Billy and Sharon believe that the 7AM call (voice message) to Billy's cell phone (while he was going thru airport security) was Maura. NH LE told Mr. Renner that the call came from the Red Cross, but remember they're not under any obligation to disclose information pertaining to an ongoing investigation. Sharon says she did contact the Red Cross the night before regarding obtaining a leave for Billy to go up to NH to help in the search and she left a message to that effect. Would an office worker at the Red Cross call back at 7AM (Central time) and not leave a coherent message? Billy apparently called the number back and it was that of a long distance calling card provider, not a 1-800 type number.

    If it was Maura and she was using her cell phone and one of the calling cards given to her by Sharon what might that mean? In order to place a call you have to first dial the calling card carrier's 10 digit number and enter a PIN number, and then the number you want to connect with. A lot of precision work if you're under extreme duress.

    1) Might an abductor have coerced her to call her boyfriend just to taunt him and didn't allow her to speak to him?

    2) Could it have been an abductor calling on the phone solo or another cell?

    3) Could it have been Maura calling after a voluntary "Walk Away" decision just to muddy the waters and let people think she's been abducted?

    The call was short (perhaps not traceable) and obviously somewhere there was cell coverage. Is it possible that comm. techs have been able to triangulate an area where the call originated? Or was it, as offered, just a Red Cross worker before a morning cup of java?
    IIRC, LE said it just sounded like a bunch of static, which was the reason they disregarded it, especially after discovering it was a Red Cross calling card. I do think there is that slight possibility it was Maura. She could have tried using the calling card after fruitless results with her cell phone. I wonder if she ever came upon an outdoor landline phone in a camp or on the outside of a building on her run up Rt.112 or 116. It would have taken her hours to get to town, if she ran up Rt. 112. She could have been hypothermic and couldn't speak. I doubt she was at someone's house if it was her. If she was in danger and had access to a phone, why not call 911? Also, why use a calling card? Why not just call Billy's number or 911 directly?

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    Maura Used Stolen Credit Card Number, Charges Would Have Been Dismissed in Feb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnomony View Post
    http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012...rd-number.html
    Maura Used Stolen Credit Card Number, Charges Would Have Been Dismissed in Feb.
    This may explain why she was upset that night at her dorm monitor job at college.

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    Has the phone call to the B.F. on Feb. 11th, 2004 approx. 11:27AM been absolutely dismissed as a fluke?

    I have that date and time still in my notes for this case.

    The b.f. and his mother were on TV and I heard them give this approx. time that he was going through security.
    He said, he heard what sounded like her muffled sobs...


    note:Unscripted or McSpy: I see you posted also on this phone call above. I had not seen your post until after I posted, but you say, 7AM and I wrote down 11:27AM.
    Where did you get that time of day from?.......

    Has James Renner been able to confirm the exact time of that phone call?

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    The reference to the Feb. 11, 2004 7am voice message came from the Disappeared episode. Part 4/5 (on YouTube) about 1 minute 25 seconds into the segment. SR and BR explain their take on the message.

    Renner was told by LE that it was the Red Cross but LE is under no obligation to disclose the details in this investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    The reference to the Feb. 11, 2004 7am voice message came from the Disappeared episode. Part 4/5 (on YouTube) about 1 minute 25 seconds into the segment. SR and BR explain their take on the message.

    Renner was told by LE that it was the Red Cross but LE is under no obligation to disclose the details in this investigation.
    I wonder if J.Renner would chime in and let us know if he himself verified with the b.f. that it was this time and not 11:27AM which is what I recalled the B.F. or his mother saying on TV many years ago when asked by an interviewer , that he walked through that security place in the airport. Closer to noon.

    A lot has happened in my life between then and now, so I may well be wrong in the recollection of it, but i did at the time, made a point to jot down the timeframe because of my own interest then in studying the event more closely

    J.Renner?? Verification please.
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    More about credit card theft at JR's blog:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    I wonder if J.Renner would chime in and let us know if he himself verified with the b.f. that it was this time and not 11:27AM which is what I recalled the B.F. or his mother saying on TV many years ago when asked by an interviewer , that he walked through that security place in the airport. Closer to noon.
    Here's the direct link to what Mr. Renner reported about the February 11th call to BR's cell:

    http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011...not-maura.html

    Maybe you can email Mr. Renner privately to see if he spoke with BR directly, but it doesn't sound as if he did.

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    Just repeating myself here - sorry...
    Wow! Most interesting info! You are making progress James!
    Always amazed how in retrospect the cost of helping someone in trouble and/or prior to their going missing or something happening to them is a pittance to what their families then spend on searching and lamenting over a loved one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    Has the phone call to the B.F. on Feb. 11th, 2004 approx. 11:27AM been absolutely dismissed as a fluke?

    I have that date and time still in my notes for this case.

    The b.f. and his mother were on TV and I heard them give this approx. time that he was going through security.
    He said, he heard what sounded like her muffled sobs...


    note:Unscripted or McSpy: I see you posted also on this phone call above. I had not seen your post until after I posted, but you say, 7AM and I wrote down 11:27AM.
    Where did you get that time of day from?.......

    Has James Renner been able to confirm the exact time of that phone call?

    thanks.
    Now when I have taken time to think about this a little more, I could have sworn LE tracked down the actual person, who made that call. However, it is such a vague recollection that I have no idea where I read it.

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    [QUOTE=OldSteve;7548981
    Wow! Most interesting info! You are making progress James!
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    Agreed! I'm waiting for Mr. Renner to uncover any information to support his theory that Maura was going up to NH to meet someone on that fateful night. It all (imo) points to a Walk Away or an attempt at a short respite or lover's tryst that went horribly wrong and ended in foul play. After all, it's not that easy to successfully disappear unless you have money and connections or forged papers.

    If your were a high achiever who possibly had an eating disorder, a philandering (allegedly) boyfriend, an unsympathetic sister/family and was in trouble after credit card misappropriation and crashing your father's car possibly after a few too many... you might be tempted to run into the arms of someone who had less than honorable intentions.

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    Well said, Unscripted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    Agreed! I'm waiting for Mr. Renner to uncover any information to support his theory that Maura was going up to NH to meet someone on that fateful night. It all (imo) points to a Walk Away or an attempt at a short respite or lover's tryst that went horribly wrong and ended in foul play. After all, it's not that easy to successfully disappear unless you have money and connections or forged papers.

    If your were a high achiever who possibly had an eating disorder, a philandering (allegedly) boyfriend, an unsympathetic sister/family and was in trouble after credit card misappropriation and crashing your father's car possibly after a few too many... you might be tempted to run into the arms of someone who had less than honorable intentions.
    BBM-I am always intrigued by this position. I dont believe it takes much to walk away from your life...simply the desire to do it and a plan. As long as you have the means to make money at some point, especially under the radar, off you go. I use this example frequently-Jon VanDyke disappeared from his white collar Las Vegas life to travel on the carnival circuit. He popped up years later to divorce his poor wife and collect his SSI and Pension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    Agreed! I'm waiting for Mr. Renner to uncover any information to support his theory that Maura was going up to NH to meet someone on that fateful night. It all (imo) points to a Walk Away or an attempt at a short respite or lover's tryst that went horribly wrong and ended in foul play. After all, it's not that easy to successfully disappear unless you have money and connections or forged papers.

    If your were a high achiever who possibly had an eating disorder, a philandering (allegedly) boyfriend, an unsympathetic sister/family and was in trouble after credit card misappropriation and crashing your father's car possibly after a few too many... you might be tempted to run into the arms of someone who had less than honorable intentions.



    You could be right, but I'm not so sure. I knew someone with an eating disorder and she liked to be alone a lot. She was deeply ashamed of her affliction. She hid it from everyone, including friends, family, and especially guys. She was secretive and would hide out for days or weeks with her problem. I'm pretty sure Maura had a eating disorder, because she only bought food with the stolen card. She didn't buy an outfit, electronics or a night on the town. If she did have this problem, it makes me think the time she said to her dorm mates that she was going to see her dad in his car, she was actually going out to find food. The dorm mates couldn't believe she was bothering to drive to her dad's hotel room at that late hour, but I think Maura was actually on the hunt for an open store or restaurant somewhere. To me, this scenario fits with an eating disorder. People with eating disorders are very secretive and they fib to keep their secret, because they feel a lot of shame. Now, I can be wrong on her having this disorder, but it does explain her actions and the reason why these events (stealing credit card, car crashes, decision to flee to NH to be alone.) cascaded into her disappearance. Hope this all makes sense!

    I want to add in my opinion, she would not have stolen that card, if she didn't have an eating disorder. She was desperate and it was driving her to do things she ordinarily wouldn't do.

    This is just my opinion and speculation on the incoming info.

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    It made me very sad when I read about the stolen credit card, because I think she was suffering with a problem and it had a big hold on her. I think it explains why she broke down crying that evening on her work study job, and her actions, which made little sense to many people. If she didn't disappear, evenually she would have got help and moved on with her life. She was not alone about having a problem! JMO

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    I absolutely agree McSpy, fwiw. She is/was very young and I wish she had realized that this kind of mistake was not the be all end all.
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    We ordered pizza last night from a large national chain. The order taker at the call centre gave me the obligatory spiel about the card and cardholder needing to be present. When the delivery man came he recognized us from a delivery 6 months ago, started talking about the weather briefly and didn't ask to see the card! Perhaps the late night delivery was just about needing food, not an eating disorder or someone trying to get away with something? It seems that the only was to get food without producing the actual credit card or the last 3 digits on the back of that card would be through take-out delivery. It's not as if you can take a discarded receipt to Whole Foods for your grocery needs.

    Regardless, it's still an indication of someone who has some troubles and who, ostensibly, felt she couldn't go to her family or friends about these problems.

    I watched the Disappeared episode on Michelle Whitaker (available on YouTube). It helped change my perspective and opened my mind to more possibilities as to what might have happened to Maura.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unscripted View Post
    We ordered pizza last night from a large national chain. The order taker at the call centre gave me the obligatory spiel about the card and cardholder needing to be present. When the delivery man came he recognized us from a delivery 6 months ago, started talking about the weather briefly and didn't ask to see the card! Perhaps the late night delivery was just about needing food, not an eating disorder or someone trying to get away with something? It seems that the only was to get food without producing the actual credit card or the last 3 digits on the back of that card would be through take-out delivery. It's not as if you can take a discarded receipt to Whole Foods for your grocery needs.

    Regardless, it's still an indication of someone who has some troubles and who, ostensibly, felt she couldn't go to her family or friends about these problems.

    I watched the Disappeared episode on Michelle Whitaker (available on YouTube). It helped change my perspective and opened my mind to more possibilities as to what might have happened to Maura.
    We have to keep in mind that this happened in 2003. Some of the older restaurants and small businesses still used older registers, which sometimes showed the whole CC number on receipts. Also, the credit card fraud happened before the Great Recession. Everybody had credit back then. I think things have tightened up since.

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    Credit card fraud was a surprise for me. From all I'v read previously I would not have suspected this kind of behavior.

    While it might not seem like much, or a big deal when the amount is low, it might expose a personality problem bigger than the the small amount taken.

    OT, but back when former NYC Mayor Rudy G wanted to reduce major crime, one way it was accomplished was by going after subway fare beaters. The thought was that many who committed small petty crimes didn't draw the line there, and would commit more serious crimes.
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    Do we have to link to a blog to find out whose credit card she was using at the grocery store? IMO, there was a drinking problem. That can cause people to cry, be impulsive and take off driving, have wrecks, etc. Drinking seemed to be such a theme in every interview on TV. It sounded as if she was tipsy that night, and she could have been less alert and accepted a ride with someone bad or gotten hurt in the woods while running or walking.

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