What do you all think of the creepy videos posted on youtube (by 112dirtbag and mr112dirtbag)? The guy laughing makes my hair stand up on end, but I'm pretty sure it's an attention-seeker (albeit a disturbed one), rather than someone who actually knows something about the case. Do you think Mr112Dirtbag and 112Dirtbag are the same person, or is the former a copy-cat?
Some of the people on the Topix threads about Maura have made me very glad that WS has a strong set of mods who don't think that anything goes.
Some people speculate it is a guy, who has been posting on Topix for years on Maura's case. He lives in the Amherst area. I think they have it right--I think it is him. He seems fixated on weird angles and far-fetched theories of cases such as Maura's and the case of a Cape Cod boy who was found dead after getting lost. He seems nutty to me, but worth checking out to be sure.
I think he's pointing the finger at a couple of posters over at Topix who post on multiple threads and who may be the same person(s) who consistently say (paraphrasing) that Maura Murray was irresponsible and inadvertently caused her own death. Those posters also say that Patric's parents were negligent and that Brianna Maitland and Louise Chaput had dubious backgrounds that resulted in their disappearance and murder respectively.
"Beagle", the poster may have some weird ideas and disgraceful delivery methods, but I think he's pointing the finger at certain posters who he believes are responsible for an LE cover-up or unnecessary personal harassment, or both. Possibly he has a beef with one of more people over at Topix who purport to know more about the investigation than they really do. JMO.
My theory is her father was angrier about the first car accident than he lets on in the interview. This probably aggravated Maura's already fragile emotional state (perhaps depression).
She was not in a good frame of mind, decided to take time off and drive to where she is comfortable (Vermont or the White Mountains). She emails her professor that she had a death in the family and needs to be gone a week, which was untrue.
She drives North, buys some alcohol, and drinks while she drives. It turns night. She is driving along a dark New Hampshire road and is impaired. She hits a very sharp left turn and reacts too slowly, wrecking the car in a snowbank.
This is her second car wreck in days. Now she is shattered. Plus, she is intoxicated. She has no idea what to do. She can't call the authorities because she would be arrested for a DUI. She can't call her father because he is too far away. Moreover, there is no cell service. She stands outside the car trying to make sense of her situation.
The bus driver stops, asks her if she needs help. She declines (because she doesn't want him to see she's been drinking),and says she called AAA and they are on their way. The bus driver suspects this is a lie because there is no cell service.
What happens next is more of a mystery. I suspect she panicked, thinking when the driver got home he would call the police. She didn't want the cops to find her inebriated by her disabled vehicle, so she takes off on foot, even though she has nowhere to go.
She treks into the woods to hide, her head not straight because of her emotional troubles and her intoxication. Only problem is it is a very cold night in New Hampshire and the woods are thick. She either got lost or simply remained in one spot too long and died of exposure. I know that search teams have combed the woods, but we are talking about a huge area of thick woods. In cases past, it's not uncommon for searchers repeatedly to miss a body 10 yards away under such conditions. Afterwards, her remains likely were eaten by animals, further hampering any attempt at location.
Likely, we'll never know for sure what happened to that poor girl. Maybe one day a hiker in the woods will come across some evidence that will put everything in a better perspective.
WRT the phone call...
By that time she would have been exposed to the elements for an entire night, and it's likely she was suffering from hypothermia. She had spent hours wandering deep enough into an area that finally had cell service. When she makes the desperate call, all she gets is his voice mail. In her condition, it's doubtful she could even speak at that point. If that was her message (which unfortunately cannot be proven), I think she died shortly thereafter.
There are several posters on Topix who purport to be ex LE or para LE who "know everything" and get into heated, unsavoury debates with everyone. That happened here a few years ago on this MM thread and that poster was, thankfully, subsequently banned.
That video just out and out gives me the creeps. Wouldnt be the first time a psycho bragged about his crime and taunted police and the public. I have long that she met with foul play, but have recently thought she succombed to the elements (her phone call brought to mind hypothermia and getting delerious), however, these videos make me go back to my original thinking. The video (just a still shot of a drawing really) called "black eye" is weird too. Did Maura have a black eye, did she injure her eye in the accident?
Wow! I think possibly LE wanted them. As you well know, Topix is very loose, so something is up if the whole forum was pulled. Are you talking about WTF Bill on Topix as the trouble maker? He stuck out to me, because he tends to bash whenever he gets a chance to post. I was reading there a day or so ago, because of the other Topix poster (Beagle), who was allegedly responsible for the disturbing youtube videos. One thing I noticed, Beagle stopped posting after the video was noticed by the Renner followers and the media. WTF Bill was still posting. JMO
For days posters on Topix Franconia discussed how FM "probably" killed his daughter as some sort of family honor killing and burned her remains in an incinerator at his place of employment in Bridgeport, CT. That sort of nonsense was tolerated and endorsed by forum "moderators". If, however, posters tried to discuss where a perpetrator might have been watching for MM at, say, a Woodsville gas station when she passed by, that conversation got nipped in the bid by the moderator and the "EMS/LE/paralegal" posse.
The same poster who claimed he was told about where bodies were found also stated he could bring down the entire Topix thread if he wanted to at any given time. Now that "mr112dirtbag" is pointing the finger at that poster and his possible aliases the old thread has evaporated.
After looking at the new crop of videos uploaded (sperm swimming for an egg -- "1 in 4", a couple more black eye cartoon figures, "bodies of water") and the links and pasted in articles (e.g., for "1 in 4" there's a link to "going to the chapel"), I'm pretty sure that mr112dirtbag is a copy-cat and that 112dirtbag is a different person. The two sets are just so different, both in style and in the poster's MO (112dirtbag removed very quickly, mr112dirtbag seems to be accelerating his posts, for example). In the second set, it's strongly implied that the poster has some information that MM was heading up to meet someone, perhaps was promiscuous, had been in some sort of altercation... whereas in the first, the poster implies some involvement.
IMO, the only interesting he's said on YouTube is that he feels that LE and PIs in both the MM and PMc are letting old personal vendettas stand in the way of finding the truth and that some of those people are taking their personal fight to the pages of Topix Franconia.
Really wish James in his book research would have checked into if her emergency car kit had a flashlight, and if it did, was missing since that would tell me she might have taken it to run at night - that's so important as it would greatly increase where she might have wound up.
Also, if James could have found out if she ever liked to run on roads versus mostly/only on a track, and if she ran at night on roads.
(I believe she did run marathons, but those are during the day and I imagine over decent or cleaned roads.)
Also, no one has ever tried to reenact running from where her car crashed on a similar night.
Also, would be interesting if James got her model Saturn and trying reenacting her route with the car running on 3-cylinders.... what kind of smoke would it make, gas mileage, get stopped by LE, etc., etc.... Better yet, have a young woman make the drive and listen in to CB radio traffic - would truckers call attention to a young lady driving a crippled car?
this body I'm in has been good to me, but it's wearing out how did I ever wind up being in one anyway?
Rule-of-Three (click to read), Three-No Cases (click to read)], Red Flags When Spouse Goes Missing (click to read), Distancing (click to read)
IIRC, one of Maura's sisters walked the same road at night to get a feel of what it was like for Maura. I don't know how far she walked, but IIRC, she did mention how dark and scary a run down that road would have been for Maura.
I'll see if I can find a link on this.
oldsteve, this site has many of the old news articles in one place. The article which mentions Maura's sister's walk down the dark road was from this article:
MAURA IS MISSING PART III: The Search*
Special Reports - Maura Murray is Missing*
Written by Maribeth Conway*
Wed, Jul 04, 2007 01:00*
"I wanted to see it as Maura had seen it -- after dark. I got out of the truck and walked up and down the road, looking at different angles and perspectives. There was a constant thought in my mind as I did this -- if I was Maura what would I have been thinking," Julie said in a recent email.*
"It was very cold, dark and quiet; I felt stunned. I will never forget that eerie feeling," she wrote.*
Not all cars running on 3-cylinders have smokey exhaust. It depends on the underlying cause of the bad cylinder. If it was completely dead, then it was probably not smokey. If it had oil fouling up the spark plugs as a cause (no spark for firing up) then it would be smokey. All in all, smoke in the exhaust depends on the cause. If she had very smokey exhaust, maybe people would have noticed her when she stopped at the ATM, liquor store and gas station. I tend to look when I see it, because I hate air pollution.