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    FL - Big Coppitt Key, 'Valentine Jane Doe' 49UFFL, 16-25, Feb'91



    Ms. Estes was in the Jan. 1, 2010 update on NAMPN. She is not listed anywhere else as far as I can find- the only thing that doesn't jive is her age-she would have been 29, everything else is on and there is a possible Florida connection.

    Thoughts? or other possible matches for Valentine Doe?

    Valentine Doe
    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/6182
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/49uffl.html

    Sara May Estes
    http://www.nampn.org/cases/estes_sarah.html

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    Shannon Lee Potter was ruled out as 49uffl or Namus Case#6182 with dentals.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/356dfmd.html


    Tinze Lucinda Huels seems like she was a victim of a crime in 1984, but I don't know if she's been compared.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/11dffl.html
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    I think Sarah Estes looks like a real good possible. I was at first a bit skeptical because of the four-year lag, but the fact that she was on the run with her husband provides a plausible explanation.

    The Tinze Huels case doesn't look like as plausible an explanation for the over six-year lag.

    Everything lines up well. Good work Snufu.
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    Here is one with a one-year lag, and a less-than-ideal match on the physical descriptors, but she looks somewhat like the UID.

    Andrea Durham

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...am_andrea.html

    Here is another, with a bit closer match on the physicals and the timeframe.

    Lurline Bergeron (Ignore - I messed up the timeframe)
    http: //www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html


    I still like Sarah Estes better as a possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here is one with a one-year lag, and a less-than-ideal match on the physical descriptors, but she looks somewhat like the UID.

    Andrea Durham
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...am_andrea.html

    Here is another, with a bit closer match on the physicals and the timeframe.

    Lurline Bergeron
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_lurline.html

    I still like Sarah Estes better as a possible.

    Sarah Estes is indeed a good potential match!

    Btw: Lurline Bergeron went missing in July 1991, so she cannot be Valentine Jane Doe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Stardust View Post
    Btw: Lurline Bergeron went missing in July 1991, so she cannot be Valentine Jane Doe.
    Thanks - I guess it was getting late!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post


    Ms. Estes was in the Jan. 1, 2010 update on NAMPN. She is not listed anywhere else as far as I can find- the only thing that doesn't jive is her age-she would have been 29, everything else is on and there is a possible Florida connection.

    Thoughts? or other possible matches for Valentine Doe?

    Valentine Doe
    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/6182
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/49uffl.html

    Sara May Estes
    http://www.nampn.org/cases/estes_sarah.html

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    Wow. I think Sara is a great possibility. I would submit it...

    Nice work!

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    I wouldn't count Lurline out, Blue Bandana Girl LKA date was after she was found dead, and I can't remember if Lurline has been ruled out already, so I say she's still in until we can prove otherwise.

    I do like Ms. Estes for the simple fact, she's never been out there for anyone to consider before 2 days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post


    Ms. Estes was in the Jan. 1, 2010 update on NAMPN. She is not listed anywhere else as far as I can find- the only thing that doesn't jive is her age-she would have been 29, everything else is on and there is a possible Florida connection.

    Thoughts? or other possible matches for Valentine Doe?

    Valentine Doe
    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/6182
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/49uffl.html

    Sara May Estes
    http://www.nampn.org/cases/estes_sarah.html

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    I checked the NamUs site and there are no photos. What is the url for the morgue photos? Looks possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here is one with a one-year lag, and a less-than-ideal match on the physical descriptors, but she looks somewhat like the UID.

    Andrea Durham
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...am_andrea.html

    Here is another, with a bit closer match on the physicals and the timeframe.

    Lurline Bergeron (Ignore - I messed up the timeframe)
    http: //www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html


    I still like Sarah Estes better as a possible.
    I agree on sarah estes, find it doubtful a 13 year old girl would have multiple tattoos plus the 30-40lb deviation in weight makes it more unlikely


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    Another great possible match snuff! Mrs Estes looks like a good possible for the UID!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    Shannon Lee Potter was ruled out as 49uffl or Namus Case#6182 with dentals.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/356dfmd.html


    Tinze Lucinda Huels seems like she was a victim of a crime in 1984, but I don't know if she's been compared.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/11dffl.html
    Tinze Lucinda Huels was ruled out as 49UFFL or NamUs case# 6182.
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    LIST OF RULE OUTS FOR 49UFFL NamUs#6182

    So far this is what I have, but it's a work in progress. If anyone has any other confirmed rule outs, please share!

    Ruth Ann Leamon- 319DFCA
    Tinze Lucinda Huels- 11DFFL
    Cinda Leann Pallett- 175DFOK
    Rose Mary Diaz- 131DFTX
    Shannon Lee Potter- 356DFMD


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    oddly there are two different namus profiles for UIDs found on the same date and same age bracket in Monroe County FL and possibly the two were confused on this thread. It sounds like they are describing two different women.

    the first is case # 6182 and says the UID 5'7", 145 lbs and was found in Big Coppitt Key:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/6182

    This one says the UID was 5'4", 130 lbs and was found in the mangroves south of the Spanish Channel Bridge:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/1167

    The Namus profile for the latter UID refers the reader to Doe Network profile for 49UFFL, which was listed in this thread for case # 6182.

    now I am totally confused.

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    I think they're both the same Jane Doe case because they have the same clothing, ovarian cysts, and tattoos. I don't know which height and weight is correct, so now I'm confused too!

    I did submit Sara Estes, but never got any response to any emails or calls at all.
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