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    Quote Originally Posted by NCEast View Post
    No, the allegations were never proven and the father hopes the ex wife will retract her statements about this. I haven't read that there was any type of court proceedings regarding the allegations--just her word against his. He knows this will be a huge concern with his trying to get custody of the little boys. I read the FB rumors a couple of weeks ago and that, in combination with several other issues, just makes me leery of everybody involved in this case.
    I am with you I think LA distanced her self from her family for a reason, none of them seemed to have her nor her children in their lives until this point. I am not sure if it is just the way I was raised, but I just could not imagine my life without my sister/brother in it. I wonder just how many of her family members other than JA have even laid eyes on these children?


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    I am so surprised about this information regarding the storage unit and U-Haul. It never occurred to me they already had the U-Haul on Wednesday when Laura went missing. I have been assuming they killed her, then rented a U-Haul, then went to Texas. I thought the Texas trip was an impromptu one intended to dispose of the body. I assumed that because of the very short time they stayed there (24 hours or so).

    But why would they have rented a U-Haul and already had it by (assumption) 6PM on Wednesday and be at the storage facility? Maybe they had previously planned to travel to Texas that weekend and it wasn’t an impromptu decision.

    They did not leave for Texas until Saturday morning (maybe so Grant could pretend to go to Wilson to wait for Laura at the Sheetz), which means Laura was dead and stored somewhere, somehow from Wednesday evening/night until Saturday morning!

    I expect Laura arrived at Grant's in the late afternoon/evening. You wouldn’t go to visit a 2 and 3 year old at night, especially if you had planned to visit a friend in Cary later the same evening. (The drive from Cary back to Kinston would take about 2 hours.)

    It’s at least an hour drive from Wilson to Raleigh. So maybe Laura arrived around 4 or 5, they killed her, and then took her body to the storage facility while they tried to figure out what to do with her. But then why did they already have the U-Haul and need rope?

    The timing of this visit to the storage facility is really interesting. Because I think they did the gruesome work at their apartment on Thursday, the following day (when they asked Amanda’s daughter to pick up the kids, bring a vacuum and food). If they had put her body in the storage unit, they would have then have had to pick it up and bring it back to the apartment on Thursday to (I can’t even say it)…

    Then, they may have waited to leave for Texas until Saturday morning so that Grant could pretend that Laura was a no-show at Sheetz on Friday afternoon. Assuming Laura’s body had been dismembered and stored in the chests, were the chests sitting in the U-Haul in the parking lot for 2 days? Or did they use the storage facility? Five chests would take up a lot of space.

    But why did they have a U-Haul prior to killing her? That’s perplexing.

    The police will surely know from cell phone pings and surveillance video whether Grant was actually at the Sheetz station in Wilson. And the storage facility should also have surveillance video as well. RPD will also know the date and time of the ice chest purchases. Has that already been disclosed?

    I wish there was no issue of the death penalty. I believe it’s an “easy way out” (I know that sounds crazy). If there is no question of the death penalty, maybe they would confess to some sort of involvement and then get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Although, IMO, I don’t believe Amanda would go for this – she will want Grant to go down and make herself appear as a victim.

    Because, it is so obvious from dismembered body parts found in a creek across from Amanda’s sister’s house where they had just arrived with 5 coolers, that they did this. It’s just the details that are missing. And I hate to think of the time and resources being spent on investigating this when it’s done and over with, there is no question of their involvement. Just slam the door on the cell for the rest of their lives and may Laura rest in peace.

    I sound so hawkish and anti-criminal rights, but these two truly don’t deserve any more time and attention (just like Casey Anthony). If Amanda ends up with a bona-fide case of PP psychosis, then I’ll eat my words and apologize. But what is known of her involvement so far does not sound like a case of psychosis to me. This took much too long to orchestrate and execute. She had DAYS during which she could have had moments of lucidity and/or escape from the situation, if as some believe, she was suffering from PPP or “Grant’s spell.”

    Sorry for this long rambling post, but the U-Haul sighting at the storage facility on the 13th really threw a wrench into my vision of what transpired. This case gets more bizarre at every turn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrb0124 View Post
    YES, that is the actual one - same hours though, so it still puts GH and AH there with the SUV and the U-Haul trailer before 6:00 on 7/13.

    Since as we know GH is now the person referred to as the last to see LA on 7/13 at 9:30 PM...suppose he is lying? What if LA actually came by at 5:00?

    She left Wilson around 2:00 I believe, had 2 appointments after that (talked to CM on phone around then). 9:30 seems pretty late to be bringing back a 1 and 3 yr old from dinner and leave a huge time gap. Maybe LA really got there at 5:00 and she was dead shortly thereafter?
    Are there any witnesses who saw LA and the boys at dinner or any who saw them anywhere that evening?
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    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



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    They took a truck to Texas, correct? Why did they need the U-Haul? The five coolers would have fit in the bed of the truck. AH's mother had just passed. Presumably, the Hayes' were thinking about moving (per Grant's FBs posts). Could the U-Haul be needed to drop off some things with AH's sister or pick up some items that her mother had willed to her?

    I would love to hear what AH's sister and family has to say about the visit, how it went, the Hayes' demeanor, etc. AH's daughter said that AH was not acting as she normally did on the 14th and the days thereafter. I wonder if AH's sister picked up on that too?

    ETA: I'm assuming the Wednesday visit with the boys was an impromptu visit? How would Grant and Amanda have known that Laura was coming on Wednesday, which was not a normally scheduled visit and not something Laura would usually do life/work-wise. Also, being that custody was a huge issue, I wonder if either one of them would have tried to stray from the formal court orders. So, if this was premeditated, I would guess Laura called Grant when she was in Raleigh just to talk to the boys on the phone and he lured her over to the apartment with the promise of seeing the boys (which if he were being nice, I'm sure she would have jumped at the chance to see her boys mid-week).
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    Quote Originally Posted by say2when View Post
    I am with you I think LA distanced her self from her family for a reason, none of them seemed to have her nor her children in their lives until this point. I am not sure if it is just the way I was raised, but I just could not imagine my life without my sister/brother in it. I wonder just how many of her family members other than JA have even laid eyes on these children?
    I totally agree with you.
    Even with her family being fractured early on I still haven't figured out why, as adults, they seem to have remained that way.
    I am still waiting (wishing) LA's mother will pop up with an interview. I would love to see what kind of feel I get from her.
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    Texas trip, u-haul, storage shed

    Quote Originally Posted by Boodles View Post
    I am so surprised about this information regarding the storage unit and U-Haul. It never occurred to me they already had the U-Haul on Wednesday when Laura went missing. I have been assuming they killed her, then rented a U-Haul, then went to Texas. I thought the Texas trip was an impromptu one intended to dispose of the body. I assumed that because of the very short time they stayed there (24 hours or so).

    But why would they have rented a U-Haul and already had it by (assumption) 6PM on Wednesday and be at the storage facility? Maybe they had previously planned to travel to Texas that weekend and it wasnít an impromptu decision.

    They did not leave for Texas until Saturday morning (maybe so Grant could pretend to go to Wilson to wait for Laura at the Sheetz), which means Laura was dead and stored somewhere, somehow from Wednesday evening/night until Saturday morning!

    I expect Laura arrived at Grant's in the late afternoon/evening. You wouldnít go to visit a 2 and 3 year old at night, especially if you had planned to visit a friend in Cary later the same evening. (The drive from Cary back to Kinston would take about 2 hours.)

    Itís at least an hour drive from Wilson to Raleigh. So maybe Laura arrived around 4 or 5, they killed her, and then took her body to the storage facility while they tried to figure out what to do with her. But then why did they already have the U-Haul and need rope?

    The timing of this visit to the storage facility is really interesting. Because I think they did the gruesome work at their apartment on Thursday, the following day (when they asked Amandaís daughter to pick up the kids, bring a vacuum and food). If they had put her body in the storage unit, they would have then have had to pick it up and bring it back to the apartment on Thursday to (I canít even say it)Ö

    Then, they may have waited to leave for Texas until Saturday morning so that Grant could pretend that Laura was a no-show at Sheetz on Friday afternoon. Assuming Lauraís body had been dismembered and stored in the chests, were the chests sitting in the U-Haul in the parking lot for 2 days? Or did they use the storage facility? Five chests would take up a lot of space.

    But why did they have a U-Haul prior to killing her? Thatís perplexing.

    The police will surely know from cell phone pings and surveillance video whether Grant was actually at the Sheetz station in Wilson. And the storage facility should also have surveillance video as well. RPD will also know the date and time of the ice chest purchases. Has that already been disclosed?

    I wish there was no issue of the death penalty. I believe itís an ďeasy way outĒ (I know that sounds crazy). If there is no question of the death penalty, maybe they would confess to some sort of involvement and then get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Although, IMO, I donít believe Amanda would go for this Ė she will want Grant to go down and make herself appear as a victim.

    Because, it is so obvious from dismembered body parts found in a creek across from Amandaís sisterís house where they had just arrived with 5 coolers, that they did this. Itís just the details that are missing. And I hate to think of the time and resources being spent on investigating this when itís done and over with, there is no question of their involvement. Just slam the door on the cell for the rest of their lives and may Laura rest in peace.

    I sound so hawkish and anti-criminal rights, but these two truly donít deserve any more time and attention (just like Casey Anthony). If Amanda ends up with a bona-fide case of PP psychosis, then Iíll eat my words and apologize. But what is known of her involvement so far does not sound like a case of psychosis to me. This took much too long to orchestrate and execute. She had DAYS during which she could have had moments of lucidity and/or escape from the situation, if as some believe, she was suffering from PPP or ďGrantís spell.Ē

    Sorry for this long rambling post, but the U-Haul sighting at the storage facility on the 13th really threw a wrench into my vision of what transpired. This case gets more bizarre at every turn.
    I believe LA was alive when they went to the storage but the "Plan" for her demise was underway. That was why GH was in a hurry. He wanted to be ready for her. They had to get this stuff and get home before she arrived.

    They might have gotten things out of the storage to take to Tx to AH's sister and/or things they needed for the dismemberment.

    The rope might have been needed to hold the item they were taking to LA's sister in the U-haul.

    I don't believe they would put the body in the storage building. Not enough time to dismember it and put it in coolers. Not to mention clean up the mess. It closed at 6. It would take longer to do the deed.

    Does anyone remember the date LA's nephew put the message on his FB page that his aunt was coming to visit with her new baby?

    That would tell us if the trip was planned before the murder or after.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
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    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boodles View Post
    I am so surprised about this information regarding the storage unit and U-Haul. It never occurred to me they already had the U-Haul on Wednesday when Laura went missing. I have been assuming they killed her, then rented a U-Haul, then went to Texas. I thought the Texas trip was an impromptu one intended to dispose of the body. I assumed that because of the very short time they stayed there (24 hours or so).

    But why would they have rented a U-Haul and already had it by (assumption) 6PM on Wednesday and be at the storage facility? Maybe they had previously planned to travel to Texas that weekend and it wasnít an impromptu decision.

    They did not leave for Texas until Saturday morning (maybe so Grant could pretend to go to Wilson to wait for Laura at the Sheetz), which means Laura was dead and stored somewhere, somehow from Wednesday evening/night until Saturday morning!

    I expect Laura arrived at Grant's in the late afternoon/evening. You wouldnít go to visit a 2 and 3 year old at night, especially if you had planned to visit a friend in Cary later the same evening. (The drive from Cary back to Kinston would take about 2 hours.)

    Itís at least an hour drive from Wilson to Raleigh. So maybe Laura arrived around 4 or 5, they killed her, and then took her body to the storage facility while they tried to figure out what to do with her. But then why did they already have the U-Haul and need rope?

    The timing of this visit to the storage facility is really interesting. Because I think they did the gruesome work at their apartment on Thursday, the following day (when they asked Amandaís daughter to pick up the kids, bring a vacuum and food). If they had put her body in the storage unit, they would have then have had to pick it up and bring it back to the apartment on Thursday to (I canít even say it)Ö

    Then, they may have waited to leave for Texas until Saturday morning so that Grant could pretend that Laura was a no-show at Sheetz on Friday afternoon. Assuming Lauraís body had been dismembered and stored in the chests, were the chests sitting in the U-Haul in the parking lot for 2 days? Or did they use the storage facility? Five chests would take up a lot of space.

    But why did they have a U-Haul prior to killing her? Thatís perplexing.

    The police will surely know from cell phone pings and surveillance video whether Grant was actually at the Sheetz station in Wilson. And the storage facility should also have surveillance video as well. RPD will also know the date and time of the ice chest purchases. Has that already been disclosed?

    I wish there was no issue of the death penalty. I believe itís an ďeasy way outĒ (I know that sounds crazy). If there is no question of the death penalty, maybe they would confess to some sort of involvement and then get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Although, IMO, I donít believe Amanda would go for this Ė she will want Grant to go down and make herself appear as a victim.

    Because, it is so obvious from dismembered body parts found in a creek across from Amandaís sisterís house where they had just arrived with 5 coolers, that they did this. Itís just the details that are missing. And I hate to think of the time and resources being spent on investigating this when itís done and over with, there is no question of their involvement. Just slam the door on the cell for the rest of their lives and may Laura rest in peace.

    I sound so hawkish and anti-criminal rights, but these two truly donít deserve any more time and attention (just like Casey Anthony). If Amanda ends up with a bona-fide case of PP psychosis, then Iíll eat my words and apologize. But what is known of her involvement so far does not sound like a case of psychosis to me. This took much too long to orchestrate and execute. She had DAYS during which she could have had moments of lucidity and/or escape from the situation, if as some believe, she was suffering from PPP or ďGrantís spell.Ē

    Sorry for this long rambling post, but the U-Haul sighting at the storage facility on the 13th really threw a wrench into my vision of what transpired. This case gets more bizarre at every turn.
    Love your thought on this Boodles. Good post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    I believe LA was alive when they went to the storage but the "Plan" for her demise was underway. That was why GH was in a hurry. He wanted to be ready for her. They had to get this stuff and get home before she arrived.

    They might have gotten things out of the storage to take to Tx to AH's sister and/or things they needed for the dismemberment.

    The rope might have been needed to hold the item they were taking to LA's sister in the U-haul.

    I don't believe they would put the body in the storage building. Not enough time to dismember it and put it in coolers. Not to mention clean up the mess. It closed at 6. It would take longer to do the deed.

    Does anyone remember the date LA's nephew put the message on his FB page that his aunt was coming to visit with her new baby?

    That would tell us if the trip was planned before the murder or after.
    I am certain had they left the body in the storage unit for a few days the odor would have become a problem. The storage unit has sort of thrown me for a loop with respect to how it plays into all of this.
    I will try to go back and find the post referencing the nephew's FB message and see if there is a date associated with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    They took a truck to Texas, correct? Why did they need the U-Haul? The five coolers would have fit in the bed of the truck. AH's mother had just passed. Presumably, the Hayes' were thinking about moving (per Grant's FBs posts). Could the U-Haul be needed to drop off some things with AH's sister or pick up some items that her mother had willed to her?

    I would love to hear what AH's sister and family has to say about the visit, how it went, the Hayes' demeanor, etc. AH's daughter said that AH was not acting as she normally did on the 14th and the days thereafter. I wonder if AH's sister picked up on that too?

    ETA: I'm assuming the Wednesday visit with the boys was an impromptu visit? How would Grant and Amanda have known that Laura was coming on Wednesday, which was not a normally scheduled visit and not something Laura would usually do life/work-wise. Also, being that custody was a huge issue, I wonder if either one of them would have tried to stray from the formal court orders. So, if this was premeditated, I would guess Laura called Grant when she was in Raleigh just to talk to the boys on the phone and he lured her over to the apartment with the promise of seeing the boys (which if he were being nice, I'm sure she would have jumped at the chance to see her boys mid-week).
    LA was going to be in Raleigh so she called and arranged to see the boys for a few hours before she went to dinner with a friend. I think AH was taking something to her sister. They wouldn't rent a u-haul to take to Tx to pick something up. They could get that in Tx if that were the case. jmo

    GH and AH knew LA was coming. I think that unexpected visit from LA is when they put a plan into action.

    They were going to Tx the next day to see AH's family and show them the baby. They would be going the VI soon after returning and were selling things. Perfect opportunity to get LA out of the picture and move to the VI with the boys. mho
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
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    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    LA was going to be in Raleigh so she called and arranged to see the boys for a few hours before she went to dinner with a friend. I think AH was taking something to her sister. They wouldn't rent a u-haul to take to Tx to pick something up. They could get that in Tx if that were the case. jmo

    GH and AH knew LA was coming. I think that unexpected visit from LA is when they put a plan into action.

    They were going to Tx the next day to see AH's family and show them the baby. They would be going the VI soon after returning and were selling things. Perfect opportunity to get LA out of the picture and move to the VI with the boys. mho
    BBM: Good point, and I seem to remember reading that they turned the U-Haul in while in Texas.
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    I went back to the first group of posts in this case and could not for the life of me see the one about the nephew's FB message. On July 25 a poster said the nephew's FB account had been made private. Sorry I couldn't help with the date the nephew indicated his happiness that his aunt was coming for a visit.
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    Can someone please tell me the ages of GH & AH?
    I am confused since I've read LA was 27 and AHs daughter, SE, is 22?


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    http://*****************/viewArticle.a...81474979706733

    For some reason I had the surveillance photos on my mind ....the ones that were released pretty early in the case right after LA was reported missing. I found the link above which states that the shots were taken just before she dropped her boys off at GH's apartment. The time is not indicated in the report but I'm sure the video is time stamped. Hopefully that time frame info will come out soon and it will help give us an idea of about what time she took the boys back to GH's apartment---and was subsequently murdered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellinor View Post
    Can someone please tell me the ages of GH & AH?
    I am confused since I've read LA was 27 and AHs daughter, SE, is 22?
    GH is 32 and AH is 39. AH had her daughter at a very early age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrb0124 View Post
    In fact, one WS'er in the last thread noticed that on the craigslist photo for the living room set (listed at 11:45 AM on THU, the day after the murder) there is a laundry basket in the background with what appears to be a pinkish stained bath mat or towel in it:



    http://raleigh.craigslist.org/fuo/2493826660.html

    Ewwwwww! I can't remember if a bath mat (or whatever -- small area rug?) was on the SW "list of things taken" or not.... Hope so -- I certainly would have taken it -- um, it it were still there -- bet not!


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