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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    They must know WHICH apt was downloading porn, each apt would have a different box. That was not mentioned here interestingly.
    I don't know much about hardware but I don't think "they" meaning outside folks would know. All of the traffic would go out through the network router showing the router's ip address to the ISP, to figure out which tenant did what would require looking at the apartment complex's router/network logs.

    The Barrister Hall website clearly states "free wireless Internet access!" which means no "boxes" required just the password to log into to the wireless network.

    Owned and operated by Mercer Law School alumni, Barristers Hall caters to students through our discounted summer rents, free wireless internet, on-site laundry, one-bedroom apartments with large studies, semester pre-pay discounts and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    I don't know much about hardware but I don't think "they" meaning outside folks would know. All of the traffic would go out through the network router showing the router's ip address to the ISP, to figure out which tenant did what would require looking at the apartment complex's router/network logs.

    That is why she got the letter about the illegal movies, they knew SHE paid for the internet connection and that is all they knew, she didn't bother investigating it because she didn't want to spend the money to get an IT guy to sort through the logs. The Barrister Hall website clearly states "free wireless Internet access!" which means no "boxes" required just the password to log into to the wireless network.
    When they mentioned MOVIES, I was thinking SATELLITE, Not internet, which would require a box unless everyone watched the same thing all day. LOL. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    Small but interesting regarding the internet posts and child porn. If all of the tenants used the same network/internet connection then they all had the same IP address as far as the ISP and the outside world was concerned!

    That adds yet another step in trying to verify internet posts and downloads, they would have to seize the apartment complex's router and logs to figure out WHO in the complex was visiting sites or downloading. Obviously Ms. Bush was not to keen on hiring someone to investigate that when the illegal movie download thing came up, I would thinks she would complain to the Telegraph if the GBI had seized the apartment complex's router or other network equipment.

    If we recall, she even complained to the Telegraph that the FBI was going to keep the refrigerator for several months! Not sure what she planned to do with it when she got it back, though it might be worth something on http://www.supernaught.com/.
    Just shows you can't provide a "Free" service, SOMEONE will abuse it and look where it leads!!! Downloading of porn doesnt' make BB or SM a murderer................

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    Just shows you can't provide a "Free" service, SOMEONE will abuse it and look where it leads!!! Downloading of porn doesnt' make BB or SM a murderer................
    Lots of places provide free internet access, in fact more and more all the time! Starbucks and many fast food restaurants provide it too. If someone wanted to hide their identity simply into one of their parking lots, tap into their wireless and download away to your hearts content.

    Starbucks offers free, one-click, unlimited Wi-Fi at all company-owned stores in the United States, including instant access to the Starbucks Digital Network. There’s no purchase or subscription required, no password needed and no time limit on your session.

    http://www.starbucks.com/coffeehouse/wireless-internet
    On that note it is rather interesting, surely the people trading in illegal material like CP are aware of these anonymous wireless connections. Why isn't the government cracking down on that? Ohhhh...because big corporations support it and the government would RATHER target individual citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    Lots of places provide free internet access, in fact more and more all the time! Starbucks and many fast food restaurants provide it too. If someone wanted to hide their identity simply into one of their parking lots, tap into their wireless and download away to your hearts content.



    On that note it is rather interesting, surely the people trading in illegal material like CP are aware of these anonymous wireless connections. Why isn't the government cracking down on that? Ohhhh...because big corporations support it and the government would RATHER target individual citizens.
    I'm not debating that many don't offer free services, but you see, it seems its always the LANDLORDS who seem to get sucked into this kind of thing, blaming them for all sorts of things. Locks should be changed each time a new tenant moves in, Period. But how is someone to PROVE that they DID. . I dont' particularly like Master Keys....But It's kind of comical in my book, how we don't even have a murderer yet and someone is sueing the complex for fault. We dont' even know where it was committed really. I just dont' think the complex is responsible for someone's morbid mindset. Yes, things can be simpler but criminals look for the easiest target, whether it be a location or the individual. Well, LG had her key under the mat, so how can anyone say the MASTER key was what was used when SM possessed BOTH, he could have simply made a copy of her key. Now if he only had the master key and his DNA was discovered with her DNA on her items or his items...............wellllllll, I wouldn't even be typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    THANK YOU! And this whole article, maybe not biased but bogus.....I do agree that the LL is responsible for their OWN KEYS and not letting them fall into the wrong hands.......but this.............This is trying to hold the LL of Complex responsible for the murder!!! No law says there must be security guards or cameras.

    Well, ultimately no matter how the murderer got to her, WHICH IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME, he could have simply knocked on her door and she opened it!! But if someone is want to commit murder, THAT is who to blame.........If not wanting to COMMIT MURDER, it wouldn't matter about the keys........BLAME THE MURDERER
    Not murder, Tomkat. Georgia does have laws which require apartment owners to provide adequate security for its tenants against foreseeable third party crimes. This is a good article:
    Many people are unaware that business owners, landlords and other property owners owe them special duties of care while they are on the property. This includes the duty to keep the premises in a reasonably safe condition, to warn of known dangers and to protect those who are legally on the property from certain harms. In some cases, these harms include criminal acts of others, such as physical assaults, sexual assaults and other intentional crimes.
    http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/...ct/209692.html

    Basically, the law says the owner must have knowledge of a past similar crime on the property or in the vicinity. If there were no past assaults on women in the area, BB might not be required under the law to install extra security measures. But again, I don't think security cameras and alarms are the big issue here. It's the key that's "key", and that's pretty much a no-brainer, IMO. BB claims she doesn't know of a lost master key, yet we know McD had one. To me, that shows a lax attitude about security.

    The Telegraph article also says:
    Attorneys representing Giddings’ estate contend that she reported security problems regarding her windows and locks, but that her calls and e-mails were ignored.
    http://www.macon.com/2012/04/24/2001...rigerator.html

    If the lawyers can produce an e-mail, it won't bode well for BB unless she can show action was taken to repair the problems. I don't hold the owners responsible for LG's murder. If, however, it is shown that the killer gained access to her apartment with a key from the management office that wasn't properly secured, then yes, IMO they should be held liable for negligence.

    This brings to mind something that stuck in my craw about those purported bloodstained gloves. BB was quick to say it was paint, but I question if that wasn't an effort to do damage control. There's an obvious difference between dried blood and paint on rubber gloves. I'm not even sure what I think about those glove, but the story smelled fishy. I don't have any facts to base that on; it's strictly conjecture on my part. I do wonder about it, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    I'm not even sure what I think about those glove, but the story smelled fishy. I don't have any facts to base that on; it's strictly conjecture on my part. I do wonder about it, though.
    The glove story was just idiotic. If you recall Buford claimed in court that the investigator found what looked like gloves with blood on them days earlier. The investigator apparently LEFT the gloves there without having them admitted as evidence!!!

    If the defense actually believed those gloves were real evidence that could prove their client was innocent they would NOT leave them at the complex and take the chance they could be thrown away or washed or otherwise become tainted. The police went to the complex and retrieved the gloves AFTER the court hearing. I was never a Buford fan but I lost even more confidence in him after that ridiculous claim.

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    GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 #15

    April 24, 2012

    Blood, hair found in refrigerator of Giddings' neighbor, letter, say
    By AMY LEIGH WOMACK and JOE KOVAC JR. — Telegraph staff
    Posted: 8:54pm on Apr 24, 2012; Modified: 10:45pm on Apr 24, 2012

    Blood traces turned up in a refrigerator police seized from the apartment of a downstairs neighbor of slain Mercer University law graduate Lauren Giddings, according to a letter demanding $1 million from the company insuring owners of the Georgia Avenue apartment complex where she lived.

    Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2012/04/24/2001...#storylink=cpy



    McDaniel Hearing Adjourns Without a Ruling on Bond
    WMAZ Staff, WMAZ 11:21 a.m. EDT April 2, 2012

    Winters, the district attorney, reviewed details of the case previously disclosed to support the higher bond request: women's underpants with Giddings' DNA were found in McDaniel's bedroom along with a key to Giddings' apartment.

    Winters said investigators found a saw with Giddings' remains on it and found packaging for the saw in McDaniel's apartment.

    http://www.13wmaz.com/story/local/2012/04/02/3355731/
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    (in response to my post from this am about personal injury firm representing this case)


    Again, I feel every time the other side opens their mouth or says something; it is shot down. Clearly there must be two seperate cases then. I specifically asked if the personal injury group was retained by family. It was not. These kinds of firms do grab onto cases like these in order to make monies.

    Also, could the Telegraph be inaccurate in its reports? There have been many inaccuracies cited by the Telegraph, including LGs incorrect birthday, which was corrected later that day.

    Please let all sides state points, observations etc. We all might learn something.

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    ITA The glove business was a major snafu on Buford's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaSunshine View Post
    (in response to my post from this am about personal injury firm representing this case)


    Again, I feel every time the other side opens their mouth or says something; it is shot down. Clearly there must be two seperate cases then. I specifically asked if the personal injury group was retained by family. It was not. These kinds of firms do grab onto cases like these in order to make monies.

    Also, could the Telegraph be inaccurate in its reports? There have been many inaccuracies cited by the Telegraph, including LGs incorrect birthday, which was corrected later that day.

    Please let all sides state points, observations etc. We all might learn something.
    Sorry, GS. I cetainly didn't mean to shoot down your post. I might have misunderstood your post, though. So, if the family didn't hire the attorneys to settle the claim, then who do you think did? I've ASSumed one of her parents is the executor of her estate, but maybe I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaSunshine View Post
    I specifically asked if the personal injury group was retained by family. It was not. These kinds of firms do grab onto cases like these in order to make monies.
    Okay now I am confused. Are you suggesting that personal injury attorneys can file lawsuits without a plaintiff that was somehow related to the victim and suffered damages as a result?

    If that is what you are saying then every slightly suspicious death in Georgia would immediately have 500 lawsuits filed from every ambulance chasing attorney in the state? Seems that would clog up the court system just a bit. And who exactly would benefit from the settlements? The attorneys would just keep it all for themselves? They would get all of the insurance money and then when the victim or family tried to sue later they would simply be out of luck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    Okay now I am confused. Are you suggesting that personal injury attorneys can file lawsuits without a plaintiff that was somehow related to the victim and suffered damages as a result?

    If that is what you are saying then every slightly suspicious death in Georgia would immediately have 500 lawsuits filed from every ambulance chasing attorney in the state? Seems that would clog up the court system just a bit. And who exactly would benefit from the settlements? The attorneys would just keep it all for themselves? They would get all of the insurance money and then when the victim or family tried to sue later they would simply be out of luck?
    I'm unsure but the attorney said it was not family and led me to believe a personal injury firm was going after the apt complex. Can any lawyers weigh in? Can this happen? This lawyer made it seem like it can and does happen. I wish I could remember the name of the firm. It was said it is a good firm.

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    I'm unsure but the attorney said it was not family and led me to believe a personal injury firm was going after the apt complex. Can any lawyers weigh in? Can this happen? This lawyer made it seem like it can and does happen. I wish I could remember the name of the firm. It was said it is a good firm.
    In order to bring a lawsuit, you have to have something called "standing". That means you have a stake in the matter and you were affected by whatever is underlying the lawsuit, such as being the one who was injured, or the injured person's family member.

    A personal injury firm can't just file a lawsuit. They would have to be representing a plaintiff with standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southern_comfort View Post
    In order to bring a lawsuit, you have to have something called "standing". That means you have a stake in the matter and you were affected by whatever is underlying the lawsuit, such as being the one who was injured, or the injured person's family member.

    A personal injury firm can't just file a lawsuit. They would have to be representing a plaintiff with standing.

    Would the boyfriend DV have such standing? If so, perhaps he is the one.

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