This might matter, IMO, if HT is subtly taking sides regarding the investigation, since how ones feels can influence what one says and does, even when trying to be objective.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20110722/NEWS02/107220376The friend said Wolff received no phone calls or visitors in the hours after his fraternity brothers confronted Spierer and Rossman at Smallwood.
A couple weeks ago, police in Bloomington, Ind., searched the home that Wolff shared with former fraternity brothers.
The statement about JWs frat buddies, or friends being the ones who confronted CR has been pretty much discounted IMO. We are pretty sure ZO was the one who actually punched CR and ZO is most likely not Jewish and most likely not involved with JWs frat at all. JW living with his old frat members proves nothing, JW hasn't been proven to have even seen LS that night, so it is not a given that this is frat related at all, IMO.
JRNTT went down? Scuttlebutt from LSCD FB page...
Where is Andrew Compton?
I don't know enough about caving (not the proper term, I'm sure) to know if it's even possible to access restricted/closed ones. My thought is that open ones would be too risky because of the traffic. Perhaps someone here who goes caving would be able to address this further. OTOH, perhaps it's something that LE and the search groups already thought of?
Certainly, the reports do not necessarily point to the original "official" frat; my suggestion is more that after being banned the group had split into cliques. What if the split were something like this scenario:JW living with his old frat members proves nothing, JW hasn't been proven to have even seen LS that night, so it is not a given that this is frat related at all, IMO.
JW-ZO-AB-HT-BB-others vs. JR-CR-MB-DR-LS-others?
A strong split with friction between the two groups might imply that members of JW's group are less likely to be culpable in LS's disappearance; since given the Smallwood altercation, they could not count on support or protection from JR or MB. Therefore, if JR or MB misrepresented the facts, they were only protecting themselves and/or CR.
My daughter went to IU and told me that it is highly unlikely that the ZO/AB group would hang out with the CR/MB/LS/DR group.
The only connection I can come up with is that ZO might be a candy salesman.
As far as JW goes, it looks as if he might have been on the edge of the JR/CR/etc. group. If he was spending most of his time with LS earlier in the school year, that would explain how he was on the edge of a group.
The original report about a "friend of the boyfriend" punching CR was from a "witness." I think that "witness" was a friend of ZO's (AB? HT?) and the statement was made to mask the true reason for the fight. (anger at CR for letting LS talking loudly at the bar about what she had been taking that evening).
Well, going by what folks on here have told me the past few days ZO/AB are besties, AB and JR are friends, and JR and CR are friends too so that would be one possible connection between the two groups.
I do have to say I think there is more to the story than someone waiting for and then beating up CR because LS said something at a bar.
If JR had provided her with footwear, it seems as though that would have been included in the "missing" info...or at least as items to be looked out for, by searchers. And if he truly watched her walk away, he should have noticed she was barefoot, IMO...
I think with a group of people this age, familiararity would play a big role as to where they might put her, if she died in the company; either someplace close to their home, or more likely someplace local that they know well. Maybe that is why there was a tip about that one specific lake early on.
Just my opinion, of course.
What led me there was the statement/claim/observation made by someone (MB or HT?) that LS, before departing for JR's, asked MB if he wanted to party with her.
Given that LS had multiple options at that point, what was it about MB that (allegedly/ostensibly) made her first ask him to party before resorting to JR or even her bf JW or someone back at Smallwood.
I theorized that MB might've been the actual supplier of all this party fun. But there's absolutely nothing to indicate that in any known statements/facts.
The observation that it's always the quiets ones you need to look out for might apply in MB's case.
This kinda dovetails with my egregiously unsupported theory that MB/CR were the providers/connection to obtain whatever "party" substances this group enjoyed.
It makes some sense in that regard that JR would not out his supplier to any and everyone he hung out with--even (especially?) when his supplier was his neighbor.
JR got his gear from MB/CR and shared it with LS/HT et al (perhaps sometimes sold it to them at cost) but never told them about CR/MB being his source. CR (and maybe MB?) meet LS and the others at the Indy weekend and LS quickly sorts that this/these is/are the guys JR is getting his gear from.
Hence when they get back to Bloomington, LS is eager to party with CR and/or MB.