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    Hmmm....just thinking of more possible scenarios. This will be long so I apologize.

    It is possible that NONE of them remember the events of the night due to taking several bars of :Xanax, Adderall, whatever it was....sorry, can't remember the exact drug used. We know through several people on this board who have said that they themselves have taken it, or knew someone who took it, that there is a humongous chance/probability of not remembering events of the night when they woke up in the morning. Also, there are several college students/friends that have stated that she was taking bars that night. Obviously nothing is proven since we have no body to test for substances, but due to the amount of people talking about drug use...and have spelled out the specific drugs that this group uses (Xanax, coke)....it is hard to discount their stories. These students knew the group the best (JR, CR, MB, LS, DR) and were present and witness to the group using these substances at some time during their college experience. And these people seem genuinely concerned for LS, so I don't think that they would throw out info that would damage LS's reputation if they didn't believe their info to be correct. Plus, I haven't heard any reports that they "think" that drugs might have been consumed. When talked to, they all seem to "believe" that drugs were involved. To me, these things make it really hard to discount the drug use....and also that there would be memory loss due to the bars being consumed.

    So, that being said...if both of them (CR and JR) took bars that night, maybe they both don't remember what happened. This is just a theory so oviously just a minor possibility. I do believe that CR was taking the (mind erasing) drugs that night and this is why he doesn't remember. And not remembering means taking a lie detector is harmless as he has no information to lie about. So the fact that he took the lie detector puts him nowhere in my book. As far as DNA, if he doens't remember then it's possible that LE could find DNA that proved that they had sexual relations that night....but since LS and CR were hanging out alone that night makes the sexual contact meaningless as well (and they were attracted to each other by friends accounts). They could come back and say that LS was not in a place to consent, but from the reports of CR being punched, needing help home, and not remembering the next day doesn't paint him in a light that looks like he was in a place to take advantage of LS either (at least you can argue that in court to bring some sort of reasonable doubt). So I don't see where CR has anything to worry about. I don't see where there is much evidence that would prove he was guilty of doing anything wrong (not saying he is innocent). And that is given that JR says that he was the last person to see her. And this is given they don't have video evidence that actually shows foul play....and I do believe that if they had that then there would be some sort of arrest already, along with a deal made so lessen a sentence if he gave up where the body was. So unless JR/MB breaks his story, I don't think CR would ever be implicated even if he was there when it happened. He will get away with it....and I hate to say that. Just my theory though so please don't take offense.

    That brings us back to the speculation that if JR was also taking bars of :Xanax, Adderall, whatever: that he may not remember the events of the night either. Now, I'm still working on how he put his story together for when HT called him (maybe she is covering for him....don't see why she would have to take a lie detector since she was not there that night....maybe LS's parents believe that she knows more and that's who they've been pleading to fess up with more info). If JR and HT are friends (per her story), could JR have told HT that he didn't remember so she fed him the story or helped him come up with the story that LS left at 4:30am to head home? Lots of people suspect HT of having some info...maybe this is how she is involved. She knows he doesn't remember. Dunno really, just speculation.

    Like I said, I'm still working on theory of how his story came about. Maybe he told HT he didn't remember and he started checking his phone records to look for clues, so he would know that a call was made from his phone to DR at 4:15am. And then he contacted CR to see what he knew...who didn't remember anything. So the story that LS was at JR's until 4:30am could have been because he suspected that the call to DR at 4:15am had something to do with LS. And there are lots of reasons she could have called him....to let her into SW or see about her phone (which i don't believe) or get a ride. And there are reasons why JR could have called DR....to come and pick her up, to see if she got home ok (if he knew that she was heading somewhere else for more drugs), or to help with a cover up. So he chose the most innocent explanation in that LS called. It is funny how the story changed from she was looking for her phone (which doesn't make any sense to me) to she was trying to get a ride since DR had a car. Anyways, he puts the timeline that she was there until 4:30am because of this questionable phone call that he now needed to explain. You could say that they put together the story...assumed... that LS left CR to go to JR's because of this (damaging) phone call. That's how the story could have come together if no one remembered anything.

    And MB may not know anything either...he could have been asleep...he could have taken a bar...or he could be covering for CR/JR. There is no one to back up any of the boys' stories after the last alley sighting at approximately 2:51am...just their word. His lie detector test is the only thing that makes me sort of question/discount this theory...but if he was asleep/drugged up then he could have assumed that she left CR to go to JR (pieced together from what they knew stated above). If he believed this to be true, then he could have passed the polygraph. Just throwing possible reasons out there.

    THIS IS ALL JUST A SPECULATION. But it may be possible that none of the boys remember and this is the story that they pieced together based on what they did know. And since JR supplied the drugs then he has even more reason to lawyer up and not talk....he could not remember what happened to LS but still be in trouble with the law due to the drugs (as opposed to CR whose actions that night could be explained away innocently...especially since he is using the punch as the reason that he doesn't remember). So JR is the one (due to the reports by the students who know the POI's) that supposedly supplied the drugs then as soon as LE gets anywhere close to him...for any reason...he needs to bolt and not speak so he doens't implicate himself). Remember, he still doens't know what happened to LS so he could pass a lie detector as well if asked the right questions (given by his attorney of course). And since he assumed/believed/tried to piece together that LS left after the phone call to DR, then he believes his story and could possibly pass the poly based on that.

    Could be just my imagination and is purely speculation. I think just about everyone believes that LS didn't leave 5 North. As always JR could be completely truthful and innocent. But the theories of where she went after leaving 5 North are all hard to imagine given all of the cameras in such close range to her whereabouts. Also, I am not saying that CR/MB were involved. They could be completely truthful/innocent and JR could be the only one involved. If JR didn't remember anything...my speculation could still work that he pieced together his story by contacting CR/MB and by the phone call made from his phone to DR. And HT could still know that JR doesn't really remember and all this without CR/MB being involved. But that always brings us back to whether JR acted alone or whether JR/CR/MB were all involved together. Like I said, with MB and CR's stories I just don't think that there is any way to prove/disprove their guilt. And if JR doesn't remember anything, then he may not have any info discounting their stories either. Which only leaves JR as the only one with all of the heat as we can't prove that she was anywhere else that night.

    It kind of makes me think 'poor JR'. That is probably going to make a lot of people mad. I only mean that they could all be involved (if no one remembers) and only he get arrested for it.

    Other theory that JR doens't remember due to the drugs he took and that he could be setup by CR/MB....feeding him the story that LS left their place and went to JR's. I don't know how that theory would explain the phone call to DR so I have a hard time putting that one in the believable pile.

    Since they don't remember, she could have easily OD'd while in anyone of their presence and they just not know. And if they put her in a dumpster,etc, they wouldn't know what they did with the body either. Shrug. That goes along with the other theories thrown out there by posters that JR/CR/MB don't have any info that will help in finding LS. All of this higher DD's helping dispose of the body and such seems really complicated.


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    Alot of memory loss in this case. Hypnotize the failing brains. Let's set up lie detector tests to varify details. See who objects and see who is willing.


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    JR's grandmother died last month, July 17th. His Mom's mom. The funeral was held in Delaware. Here is a link to her obit: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/del...&pid=152621180
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    So we had the story of what was on the cctv footage of Ls at smallwood two weeks ago.The landfill story last week any thought are what the next story on this case will be?I say this because I think you are going to see a slow steady stream of info put out either to keep the story in the news or to keep pressure on some people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodge View Post
    JR's grandmother died last month, July 17th. His Mom's mom. The funeral was held in Delaware. Here is a link to her obit: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/del...&pid=152621180
    People do get terribly upset when a loved one dies, so I hesitate to criticize. However, that obituary unfortunately is not written in the most tactful and sympathetic way.

    She was predeceased by her parents, John and Frances Maisel. She is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Jacob Frankfurt, her daughters, Mindy Frankfurt (Randy London), Shari Frankfurt and Robin Rosenbaum (Barry), her grandchildren, Jason and Lindsay, grand dogs Lily and Ember, her sister, Shirley Gurwitch (Harry) and her nieces, Lisa and Annabelle.
    Note that the sons-in-law are named in parentheses which can be taken to mean that they are not important; yet properly stating their names would not have taken that much more space. And what are grand-dogs? A proper obituary might discuss the deceasedís affection for a pet dog, but to place them in the category of the bereaved is an insult to the family and close friends.

    Please do not reply with any arguments along the line that your dog is a member of your family.


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    Also, I read in the previous thread it isn't general knowledge that JR has lived in New York State. According to publicrecords.com, his mother has lived in Brighton, MA, Wilmington, DE, Farmington, MI, White Plains, NY, and New Rochelle, NY. You have to go to the website and specifically search for her under her full name, or google her name including her maiden name. His family has also lived on the same Rockland Co., NY street as the Spierers, per the JRShouldTalk website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    http://www.southbendtribune.com/wxin...7.story?page=1

    I just picked up a few new tidbits from this. It's a a solid piece for so early in the case.

    Page 2 lots of info about CR.
    For someone who just apparently met at the Indy 500 a few days before, she seems to have visited their apartment quite a lot.. Another equation that doesn't add up!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Please do not reply with any arguments along the line that your dog is a member of your family.
    Well...you already said we weren't allowed to discuss this, but if you do consider dogs a part of your family it isn't that strange to list important dogs in your life in an obituary. However, every time I have seen it I have seen a person's OWN dogs listed and always last. Like, BLAH BLAH is survived by [List all family members] and her two beloved dogs, Fido and Spot. I have never heard of family and friends being hugely offended by it either. I suppose you have to be a dog person though. I wonder who actually writes obituaries for people though-someone in her family had to send in this information so someone made the choice to do () and the dogs listed before her sister? o_O

    If I died now my parents or whomever writes my obit might actually put my dog in there. She is basically my child, lol.


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    She had visited JR's apt. quite alot during the previous year along with HT. She might not have formally met CR until the Indy 500. I'll go look for the link...
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    It's from a lohud article that isn't published online, anymore.

    "According to Tamir, Spierer met him two weeks earlier at the Indianapolis 500. Tamir was also at the auto race, as was Rossman's roommate, Mike Beth, and Jay Rosenbaum, a mutual friend who lives elsewhere in Rossman's building.

    Rosenbaum was the one who introduced them, Tamir said.

    "I've been good friends with Jay since our freshman year," she said, and added "we always used to be at his apartment last year." "

    http://www.lohud.com/article/2011061...106120429/1018

    which I found republished here:

    http://refugeesunleashed.net/about26095-0-asc-50.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomthought View Post
    So we had the story of what was on the cctv footage of Ls at smallwood two weeks ago.The landfill story last week any thought are what the next story on this case will be?I say this because I think you are going to see a slow steady stream of info put out either to keep the story in the news or to keep pressure on some people.
    Maybe this is wishful thinking but something having to do with POI. Either clearing one or naming a new one. Also, maybe a piece of evidence-- phone-related would be good!


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    I still don't think we have an entirely clear picture of how well everyone knew each other and how friendly everyone was. I know HT has been valuable, but in some cases she isn't quite the primary source for information and her interpretation of relationships is just that-her interpretation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    People do get terribly upset when a loved one dies, so I hesitate to criticize. However, that obituary unfortunately is not written in the most tactful and sympathetic way.



    Note that the sons-in-law are named in parentheses which can be taken to mean that they are not important; yet properly stating their names would not have taken that much more space. And what are grand-dogs? A proper obituary might discuss the deceasedís affection for a pet dog, but to place them in the category of the bereaved is an insult to the family and close friends.

    Please do not reply with any arguments along the line that your dog is a member of your family.
    Wishes of the deceased trump those of family/friends.

    The spouse's name in parentheses is fairly standard convention these days and it may have been the deceased wishes to list the dogs that way.


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    When my grandfather passed away in 2006 his dog was listed in his obit. The spouses of his children were listed in parentheses. However his grandchildren and great grandchildren were listed as a number.




    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    People do get terribly upset when a loved one dies, so I hesitate to criticize. However, that obituary unfortunately is not written in the most tactful and sympathetic way.



    Note that the sons-in-law are named in parentheses which can be taken to mean that they are not important; yet properly stating their names would not have taken that much more space. And what are grand-dogs? A proper obituary might discuss the deceasedís affection for a pet dog, but to place them in the category of the bereaved is an insult to the family and close friends.

    Please do not reply with any arguments along the line that your dog is a member of your family.


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    One point of clarification from a local: B'Town is not a small town. LE does not know every vehicle. Far, far from it. There are always many strange cars in town with 40,000 students; family members cars, friends cars, etc. Even in the summer. It's a very dicey town to drive in. Quite often drivers do not know where they are going (or where they have been LOL), or what lane they should be in.

    Also, who says JR did not have a car on the morn of June 3? At the very least he had access to DB's car. I doubt JR's car was searched. I believe it was CR's car LE searched, not JR's. For some reason, LE's early focus seems to have been on CR's car, which I don't believe CR used real early on the morn of June 3rd. But JR's car or DB's car? Hmmmm. Either one of their cars could have been used very early Friday morn.
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