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    Police and family say they have no idea what could have happened to her. Her fiance, John Carter, said he last saw Markham around 11 or 11:30 Saturday night at her townhouse.

    At 12:52 a.m. Sunday, he received a picture of Markham on his cellphone, sent via text message from her phone.

    That was the last time anyone has heard from her.

    Her small mixed-breed dog, Murphy, was found locked in her bedroom. Carter said it was obvious the dog “had been there awhile.”

    Markham’s purse, keys and car were all there. The only things missing were Markham and her cellphone, which Carter’s mother, Karyn Winkler, said was turned off around 12:45 a.m. Sunday. The GPS tracking device on the phone also had been turned off.

    Snipped from: http://www.middletownjournal.com/new...t-1231535.html (lots more info & photo at link)


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    I'm getting older, wiser and jaded and have read too many cases on here....but as soon as I read the fiance was the last to see her I subconciously rolled my eyes.....I hope this is not the case and she is just having a break somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by revampz View Post
    I'm getting older, wiser and jaded and have read too many cases on here....but as soon as I read the fiance was the last to see her I subconciously rolled my eyes.....I hope this is not the case and she is just having a break somewhere

    I did the same thing..Need to check the fiancee first and then go from there.

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    Police now suspect foul play

    http://www.local12.com/News/Local/st...qS3_Ik.twitter

    Something that is puzzling me. It could be that it's just facts omitted from the story by reporting but the way I'm reading/hearing it, it seems the fiance could not reach her then went to her house and when he saw her car there his heart dropped. My question is...did he not go to where she worked first (this is where he expected her to be.) If not, and if he didn't call there- I find that extremely odd.

    I don't know...I hate to say it too but something about the fiance is bothering me. Although, he's speaking of her in the present tense rather than in the past, which is a good sign.



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    Not to dissect his words, but her fiance said her dog looked like it had "been there awhile." Now, to me, that sounds like he'd been there longer than the 3 days since he'd seen her. I guess three days could be considered "awhile" but been there awhile to me sounds like her dog was skinny, dehydrated, etc.

    I'm wondering if it was out of character for her to just send a random txt with a picture of herself. Wondering if there were any words attached or if it was just a pic.

    Such a strange disappearance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ela_ss teacher View Post
    Not to dissect his words, but her fiance said her dog looked like it had "been there awhile." Now, to me, that sounds like he'd been there longer than the 3 days since he'd seen her. I guess three days could be considered "awhile" but been there awhile to me sounds like her dog was skinny, dehydrated, etc.

    I'm wondering if it was out of character for her to just send a random txt with a picture of herself. Wondering if there were any words attached or if it was just a pic.

    Such a strange disappearance...
    I think he meant lots of poop and pee in the room rather than a sick dog from starvation.

    the pic is odd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkySifaka View Post
    I think he meant lots of poop and pee in the room rather than a sick dog from starvation.

    the pic is odd.
    Yeah, you're right. I thought about the pee/poop thing after I posted. I thought about what it would look like if my 2 little dogs were left in my room for 3 days... pee/poop everywhere and anything shreddable, ripped to tiny pieces.

    I'm so hoping the fiance didn't have anything to do with her disappearance.

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    I hope it is not the fiance, but it sure looks bad.
    She was with her fiance on Saturday night and then Sunday he became so concerned because she didn't return texts... (Inch High PI has a good point)... Why wouldn't he go to the place of employment if she was suppose to be working, instead of looking at her apartment. Why did he immediately fear the worst just because he saw her car?

    Ive had my own family members not return texts for various reasons, when I did drive to their home and saw their car I immediately had a sigh of relief knowing they were not in an auto wreck! Then thought they must be sick (if missing work), sleeping, or had a dead cellphone battery, etc... Never did my heart immediately sink and fear the worst because I saw their car at home. And...the only item missing is her cellphone? The one she sent a text, including a picture of herself, to her fiance. The phone was then turned off after the text was sent. (strange).
    I'm confused about why, after only one day he said "the dog had been there awhile". It would have been less than 24 hours since he was at her apartment. I must be missing something or perhaps I have the wrong timeline. Then again, maybe we don't have all the details and it just "looks" bad with the info we do have.


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    I don't really get the comment about being obvious the dog was in there for a long time because it seems like, at worst, the dog was alone for 12ish hours. Most dogs can last that long without needing to pee unless she had a VERY small dog or it is a young animal. Even then, it seems like it would only be one poop and pee and not really enough for me to see and go MY GOD THIS DOG HAS BEEN IN HERE FOREVER.

    Maybe we are being picky over something that may not matter?

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    Ok I can see through this one already. It is just like Drew Peterson - she sent a picture huh, of what exactly? Kind of like when Stacey "called" Drew while he had his friend keep an eye on his phone "just in case Stacey calls". Right. The picture is for a (not thought out) alibi.

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    I hope that police are looking into the proximity of his phone/her phone when this pic was supposedly sent to him. I recall a case on Long Island a few years back. Woman was supposedly broken down on the highway and disappeared. Husband said she had either texted or called him (can't remember) What helped solve the case is the proximity of the phones and they were able to determine that HE sent the text from her phone. And now Katelyn's phone is turned off and missing.

    The dog. I'd love to know if it was routine for her to leave the dog in the bedroom. And Darcyline is right- unless it was a puppy it could probably go a long time without going to the bathroom and even then would probably not go more than once. My dog can "hold it" quite a while if needed. I'm thinking that dog was in there a lot longer than he is saying.

    Do we know when the last time someone saw her besides her fiance?

    mamaks5, you're exactly right. If he saw her car- why not be relieved as that meant she would (likely) be inside. I would love to know if he called or stopped by David's Bridal, where she worked, first before he went to her house. That would tell us a TON, in my opinion.

    Has anyone seen it reported by the media that the fiance has passed a lie detector test? I remember seeing it mentioned on FB and I'm wondering if this is something he is telling or something the police are telling. I'm going to try to find that again- that has been bugging me too. All kinds of hinkyness about this case!

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    here's the latest article

    http://www.middletownjournal.com/new...--1232476.html

    "Police are investigating any and all possibilities, ranging from she picked up her life somewhere else to a situation where foul play is involved, he said."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEM2010 View Post
    here's the latest article

    http://www.middletownjournal.com/new...--1232476.html

    "Police are investigating any and all possibilities, ranging from she picked up her life somewhere else to a situation where foul play is involved, he said."
    Markham’s future mother-in-law, Karyn Winkler, said the family has its own theories as to what happened the night she went missing.

    “Her family and our family are kind of feeling like someone has taken her, someone possibly that she knew,” she said.

    Winkler said the family believes Markham answered a knock on the door while she was sleeping — her bed looked like it had been slept in that night, and the only thing missing is her cellphone.
    Another thing that puzzles me- it's been reported that her dog was found in the bedroom. If I am answering the door after midnight (which I would not do) I am bringing my dog with me. Was the dog in a crate for the night that was in the bedroom? If no crate that would mean she either left the dog in the closed bedroom when she went to answer the door (according to the above theory) which I find an odd thing to do, or she went BACK to put the dog away after she answered the door. If this is the case, she must have been coaxed away by someone she knew and trusted. Of course there is also the theory that the dog was put there after the fact by the alleged abductor.

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    At 12:52 a.m. Sunday, he received a picture of Markham on his cellphone, sent via text message from her phone.

    ... her cellphone, which Carter’s mother, Karyn Winkler, said was turned off around 12:45 a.m. Sunday. The GPS tracking device on the phone also had been turned off.
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    So the cell phone was TURNED OFF @ 12:45 am,
    yet the fiance receives picture/text @ 12:52.


    Does it take 7 minutes to receive a text after a cell is turned off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inch High PI View Post
    Another thing that puzzles me- it's been reported that her dog was found in the bedroom. If I am answering the door after midnight (which I would not do) I am bringing my dog with me. Was the dog in a crate for the night that was in the bedroom? If no crate that would mean she either left the dog in the closed bedroom when she went to answer the door (according to the above theory) which I find an odd thing to do, or she went BACK to put the dog away after she answered the door. If this is the case, she must have been coaxed away by someone she knew and trusted. Of course there is also the theory that the dog was put there after the fact by the alleged abductor.
    Funny you should say this. Earlier tonite I was going to post something, but didn't. I guess I will now though!
    I live alone with 3 small dogs. When I read the description of how the scene was left I thought, that is exactly how it would appear if I was abducted. My dogs are at best, ankle biters. And my instinct is to keep them out of harms way. If I was awoken by a strange noise that I wanted to investigate, or a knock on my door, I'd lock the dogs in the bedroom behind me (I have a baby gate on the door) and head out to check, with cell phone in hand (to call 911). And my small dogs would leave 2 puddles and 2 piles each if left alone from late at night until late the next day. So, even though I think the cell phone picture tells me that I don't think this was an abduction, clearly I could make a case that the scene makes it look as one to me!
    I can only think, given that her phone was turned off, and a picture of her was sent, that this is either a case of suicide, or that someone she knew harmed her and is trying to make it look like something it isn't.
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    7 minutes is not unreasonable for an MMS msg to reach its destination phone--especially if there are any hiccups in between. e.g., different cell phone provider networks, poor reception on the receiving phone's end, etc.

    Despite being engaged, and KM having the townhouse to herself, they chose not to spend a Saturday night together? Maybe due to both having to work the next day. Tho how early on a Sunday is a retail store likely to open.

    The possibility of stranger-stalker abduction seems less in this case than in say, the Holly Bobo case. The fact that KM lived with her father, who however was in the process of moving out, mitigates against a stranger-stalker taking a chance on the father being home. Unless they somehow determined that he wouldn't be there that night.

    Strange case. Seems like clearing the fiance should be fairly straightforward, if he's in fact completely innocent of any involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmomom View Post
    I can only think, given that her phone was turned off, and a picture of her was sent, that this is either a case of suicide, or that someone she knew harmed her and is trying to make it look like something it isn't.
    Have they released that cell phone pic? Probably can discern quite a bit of information from it.

    Was it obviously taken by her, at arm's length or less? Or in a mirror? Or does it appear to have been taken by someone else?

    And what's the look on KM's face in the picture?

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    http://www.journal-news.com/news/ham...--1232476.html

    I have been commenting in the wrong place, that's the story of my life. Above is the latest article. I live in Fairfield and this case has me VERY stressed, I'm bad with miles but I believe this is about 3 miles from my house and the police are telling us so little that there is a little fear factor at this point.

    Her condo/apartment different news outlets say condo/apartment so I'm not sure but her residence is VERY close to the location of a local festival that took place that weekend, trying to ask around to see if she went to the festival.

    I must say my gut (and some locals involved closely with the search) is leaning towards this NOT being a stranger abduction.

    She lived in Fairfield and worked in a local area called Tri-County someone asked earlier if it would have been closer for the BF to check her residence then driving to her work and it would have been.

    Fairfield is NOT a high crime area, everyone that I have talked to her says she's responsible, kind, family is important but it's her dad I haven't heard anything about her mom so again asking around about that.

    They have called off the searches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmomom View Post
    Funny you should say this. Earlier tonite I was going to post something, but didn't. I guess I will now though!
    I live alone with 3 small dogs. When I read the description of how the scene was left I thought, that is exactly how it would appear if I was abducted. My dogs are at best, ankle biters. And my instinct is to keep them out of harms way. If I was awoken by a strange noise that I wanted to investigate, or a knock on my door, I'd lock the dogs in the bedroom behind me (I have a baby gate on the door) and head out to check, with cell phone in hand (to call 911). And my small dogs would leave 2 puddles and 2 piles each if left alone from late at night until late the next day. So, even though I think the cell phone picture tells me that I don't think this was an abduction, clearly I could make a case that the scene makes it look as one to me!
    I can only think, given that her phone was turned off, and a picture of her was sent, that this is either a case of suicide, or that someone she knew harmed her and is trying to make it look like something it isn't.
    Thanks for posting this! I was looking at it purely from a big-dog-owner perspective. My dog is 80# with a mean big dog bark (although he's anything but mean) and beats me to the door when the doorbell rings. There would be no locking him in a room once he hears that-he's on the steps barking his fool head off. So knowing the difference between this and an "ankle biter owner" perspective is important. I believe her dog was described as being on the smaller side.

    I'm leaning more and more toward this was someone she knew/trusted who coaxed her away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    7 minutes is not unreasonable for an MMS msg to reach its destination phone--especially if there are any hiccups in between. e.g., different cell phone provider networks, poor reception on the receiving phone's end, etc.

    Despite being engaged, and KM having the townhouse to herself, they chose not to spend a Saturday night together? Maybe due to both having to work the next day. Tho how early on a Sunday is a retail store likely to open.

    The possibility of stranger-stalker abduction seems less in this case than in say, the Holly Bobo case. The fact that KM lived with her father, who however was in the process of moving out, mitigates against a stranger-stalker taking a chance on the father being home. Unless they somehow determined that he wouldn't be there that night.

    Strange case. Seems like clearing the fiance should be fairly straightforward, if he's in fact completely innocent of any involvement.
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    so the family thinks someone came to the door and took her away. I'm not sure that works for me either. She was sleeping (bed appeared slept in). It's late at night. Someone comes to the door. The dog(s) are left in the bedroom. And someone takes her but she still has her cellphone with her?

    So the person who abducted her allowed/told her to get dressed and she manages to pocket the cell phone, too? But later the cell phone is turned off. If the abductor came to the door, why would he let her bring her cell phone along only to turn it off at some point not much later?

    The only way portions of this scenario might work is if the someone who came to the door was someone she knew and trusted. The someone suggests they go out to talk (or whatever). Then she willingly gets dressed (presumably, though I haven't heard anything about what she might be wearing), puts or closes the dogs in the bedroom (thinking she'll be back shortly) and goes willing with the someone.

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    How far apart does the fiance live from her house? Does anyone know?

    Sometimes I have my phone shut off, or the battery dies and I have to recharge it. When I turn my phone back on, any text messages I get will be timestamped for whatever time they hit my phone when it was turned back on, not necessarily when they were sent. So if my phone is turned off for 3 hours, I could get a message that was sent at 7am, but it will say 10am.

    So it's possible she sent the message earlier, but maybe he didn't have his phone on and didn't get it until later?

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    She could not have slept for too long because she sent the picture (presuming it is she who sent the picture). She didn't have to be at work until noon the next day, so it's not that unusual that she would stay up until 1 a.m. IMO.

    Also, I read in one of the articles that LE was trying to determine what she was wearing when she was last seen and then compare that to the clothing she had in the apt. That tells me that the picture that was sent didn't show any clothing.
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    And another thing, it was specifically stated that the GPS on her phone was turned off. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that on my phone. How many here know how to do it?
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