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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelFish View Post
    They were described as "beyond pornographic" that she did not seem to be in duress, and that parts of GG can be seen in some photos. I believe there was also a reference to "organs' being visible.
    Thank you AngelFish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelFish View Post
    Just a thought about the location - Could it be that the location was chosen in part for a photo shoot? It is an odd place to go snorkeling, especially when you have Baby Beach right there. Perhaps she was drinking and taking pills (day walk was it referred to earlier?) to prepare herself mentally for the type of photos she was about to partake in.
    Yes that makes sense.

    Solicitor General Taco Stein says the camera was confiscated as part of the investigation into the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner, also of Maryland. Stein declined to specify what was in the photos except that they are "explicit." He said suspect Gary V. Giordano is partially visible in some of the pictures. He said Thursday that the photos appear to have been taken in Aruba.
    It's very possible there are photos on the camera that were taken at that spot. It was secluded there and he could have her posing nude with no one seeing. That would have gone on for at least a half hour or so. They were last seen driving to that spot at 4 p.m. Gary is seen at restaurant at 6 p.m. So they take photos for about a half hour, it's 4:30, then while she is sunbathing maybe he checks her Facebook on her phone, gets angry, etc.

    I don't think Robyn ever planned to go snorkeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janeumayer View Post
    Just barging in at this time. Does anyone have any more info into what kind of pics they were and if Robyn was in them? TIA
    Here is how JR described what was in the pics.

    “You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by annalia View Post
    Here is how JR described what was in the pics.

    “You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...digital-camera
    Quite possibly some of those pictures were taken after she died. Examining the sequence of photos and such could tell a lot.

    There may be enough pieces to put a case together here, but those pieces aren't available to us which sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths View Post
    Interesting point. Maybe Gary didn't even get covert about it. Maybe he just grabbed her phone right in front of her and looked.
    OK, here's the word I was thinking: intercepted

    It appears that he "intercepted" any means of communication she had.

    This isn't in a news article, but,

    Someone from here researched this:

    A woman had posted on the modeling website that Robyn belonged to, thought she had been talking to Robyn, but she discovered that it was GG who was pretending he was Robyn.
    Last edited by concentric; 08-20-2011 at 08:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    OK, here's the word I was thinking: intercepted

    It appears that he "intercepted" any means of communication she had.

    This isn't in a news article, but,

    Someone from here researched this:

    A woman had posted on the modeling website that Robyn belonged to, thought she had been talking to Robyn, but she discovered that it was GG who was pretending he was Robyn.
    OH so that was an account set up by Gary perhaps? It does say "Elle Gardner" instead of Robyn, and no main profile pic is odd as well. Was that his way of hiding the profile from her and anyone that knew her? Jenna isn't even listed as one of her friends on her profile.

    Did the woman say what he was up to? Was he trying to "trade pics" with her?

    Is this Gary's lazy way of trying to find paid photo shoots for her? Is this his "recruiting" business?

    No wonder why those photos suck. They were probably taken by Gary. A make-up artist was in need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    OK, here's the word I was thinking: intercepted

    It appears that he "intercepted" any means of communication she had.

    This isn't in a news article, but,

    Someone from here researched this:

    A woman had posted on the modeling website that Robyn belonged to, thought she had been talking to Robyn, but she discovered that it was GG who was pretending he was Robyn.

    If you believe that, then it isn't the first time where GG assumed Robyn's identity.
    Can you clarify what you are saying about "intercepted"? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths View Post
    Sure no problem.

    Let me ask you (or anybody else for that matter) something from a female perspective. If you were to go sunbathing on the beach in Aruba, would you bring your cell phone with you or leave it with your purse in the car?

    I would probably have left it in the hotel. Otherwise, in the car.

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    Is it odd that a 50 year old man would list his mother as the beneficiary to a 1.5 million dollar life insurance (err, accidental death as part of travelers insurance) policy when he has three sons?


    Consider this:

    The anger-retaliatory sexual murderer commits a sexual offense with the intent of killing the victim during or after the sexual activity, except for the initial murder which happens because of overkill. The drive behind the anger-retaliatory murderer lies in a deep seeded hatred toward women. This hatred stems from the offender’s sense of inferiority to a dominating female figure. Consequently, the offender’s victim is used as a surrogate for the figure that caused the killer to feel insignificant.

    Could that dominating female figure have been his mother?

    Just exploring some possibilities. Thanks.

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    This is JMO based on what other people are posting. I'm using the word "intercepted" broadly. It seems likely that by various means he seems to have blocked her ability to summon help.

    If what the woman said is true, who posted on the modeling website, then he took on Robyn's identity and communicated with her through Robyn's modeling page. (Go to the 1st thread, where someone posted about this.)

    Just showing pattern here:

    From Aruba he may have also taken on Robyn's identity and text-messaged the boyfriend.

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    Regarding RF and the message that supposedly came from RG saying "i love you, we'll work this out later.....", I have friends that are just friends (not romantic) that say "I love you" to me on occasion, and I also say it to them. It means nothing about our romantic history or future, sexual life, etc.

    I suspect RF has taken that line from RG and run with it to appear the "grieving widow" and make himself a sympathetic character in this story - poised to make $$$ off pictures, interviews, etc.

    I don't trust the guy, and find it very telling that he gave her clothes and cats to RG's brother within a couple days of her disappearance. Huh? He wanted to spend his life with her, but when she was gone a couple days he erases her physical history with him and goes on a press tour? Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief View Post
    Regarding RF and the message that supposedly came from RG saying "i love you, we'll work this out later.....", I have friends that are just friends (not romantic) that say "I love you" to me on occasion, and I also say it to them. It means nothing about our romantic history or future, sexual life, etc.

    I suspect RF has taken that line from RG and run with it to appear the "grieving widow" and make himself a sympathetic character in this story - poised to make $$$ off pictures, interviews, etc.

    I don't trust the guy, and find it very telling that he gave her clothes and cats to RG's brother within a couple days of her disappearance. Huh? He wanted to spend his life with her, but when she was gone a couple days he erases her physical history with him and goes on a press tour? Hmm.




    Per his FB postings today, he is in NYC to do Judge Janine tonight at 9 and Geraldo tomorrow. CE responds she is doing Judge Janine too. In a FB posting it has been said that CE is seeking a ghost writer for a book, immediately.

    JMO, but he should be in Aruba if he is all that concerned.

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    My thoughts on what happened based on what we know.

    *She is at a crossroads in her life. She is having problems with her boyfriend and just lost her job.
    *She had wanted to break into modeling. Personally, I thought the pics of her that were more natural were much prettier but I don't think the other pics were porn. Women seem to think they need all those enhancements to make themselves stand out, look at half the actresses in Hollywood. When Robyn was madeup in pics she was beautiful.
    *GG knows all of this and finds the perfect opportunity to take advantage, she's in a vunerable state.
    *She thinks she's going to Aruba primarily to model, a way to make some money, a way just to get away from it all, and maybe even see if there might be anything there with regards to GG in addition. Which is why she didn't tell RF, she needs to get away clear her head to see if they have a future.
    * She may be willing to do some nude shots, again, hardly a scandal in this day and age.
    *When he wants to turn it "beyond pornographic", she resists, eventually causing her death.

    We don't know if she took any pills willingly, or if he had planned to stop for a drink so he could slip her a few, thinking it will make her less able to resist later on. I lean towards the latter.

    JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by annalia View Post
    My thoughts on what happened based on what we know.

    *She is at a crossroads in her life. She is having problems with her boyfriend and just lost her job.
    *She had wanted to break into modeling. Personally, I thought the pics of her that were more natural were much prettier but I don't think the other pics were porn. Women seem to think they need all those enhancements to make themselves stand out, look at half the actresses in Hollywood. When Robyn was madeup in pics she was beautiful.
    *GG knows all of this and finds the perfect opportunity to take advantage, she's in a vunerable state.
    *She thinks she's going to Aruba primarily to model, a way to make some money, a way just to get away from it all, and maybe even see if there might be anything there with regards to GG in addition. Which is why she didn't tell RF.
    * She may be willing to do some nude shots, again, hardly a scandal in this day and age.
    *When he wants to turn it "beyond pornographic", she resists, eventually causing her death.

    We don't know if she took any pills willingly, or if he had planned to stop for a drink so he could slip her a few, to make her less able to resist later on. I lean towards the latter.

    JMHO

    Looks pretty solid to me. One point and tell me if it changes your perspective, Robyn had messaged Gary "Get me out of here" in July which resulted in Gary booking the trip. Also, Christina finally indicated there was a sexual relationship between Gary and Robyn at one time. She said this on Dr. Drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    This is JMO based on what other people are posting. I'm using the word "intercepted" broadly. It seems likely that by various means he seems to have blocked her ability to summon help.

    If what the woman said is true, who posted on the modeling website, then he took on Robyn's identity and communicated with her through Robyn's modeling page. (Go to the 1st thread, where someone posted about this.)

    Just showing pattern here:

    From Aruba he may have also taken on Robyn's identity and text-messaged the boyfriend.
    I strongly think Gary set up that modeling page and was running it himself from the start. The fact there is no main profile picture and not even her real name tell me this. Her age is also wrong. So is her city. So is her state. This was done to hide the profile from coming up in a search. It worked as I had looked for her last week on that site.

    I also don't think he would have sent such a nice message to the boyfriend. He would have much rather ripped his heart out.
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    I am of the opinion that he planned to cause harm to whomever his travel companion would have been therefore not convinced he killed her in a fit of rage. Maybe the rough sex and taping didn't do it for him anymore.

    I find CE to be shady BUT she talked about modeling in Aruba and it is not in the media about the MM account for Elle Gardner (I believe it is her account, as she is in the photos. She did pose, which indicates some level of interest). If the MM account were run by GG, would it not be more likely that the "friends" would be models rather than photographers? I do not believe he wanted CE to go to Aruba, just the daughter. He may have thought she was an easy target, not to be mean, but she is not a 10 and not a top pic for a swimwear photo shoot.

    We know photos were taken in Aruba, the location of the "snorkeling" would be a perfect spot for a sexy kind of photo shoot. Is it a coincidence that CE mentioned photo shoot? FWIW, I don't trust half of what CE has to say.

    So, if we are to believe even some of what CE has to say, he was scouting for a travel companion and likely with the thought of doing more than taking some photos and having sex, we already know he did that at home (video tape).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths View Post
    Looks pretty solid to me. One point and tell me if it changes your perspective, Robyn had messaged Gary "Get me out of here" in July which resulted in Gary booking the trip. Also, Christina finally indicated there was a sexual relationship between Gary and Robyn at one time. She said this on Dr. Drew.
    My bolding

    Do we know if that is even true?

    I had added some to my thoughts which might answer the last part. If RG and GG did have a past relationship, she's at a crossroads with RF, could be even moreso that she may have wanted to see if there was anything there anynmore with GG. As sort of an added bonus to figure it all out and the reason she didn't tell RF.

    But I still think, given what others have said, the fact that she had wanted to break into modeling, losing her job, that she thought she had gotten some modeling work, that was the primary reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths View Post
    Sure no problem.

    Let me ask you (or anybody else for that matter) something from a female perspective. If you were to go sunbathing on the beach in Aruba, would you bring your cell phone with you or leave it with your purse in the car?

    Mine is never at the beach

    Just me

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    CE is on Justice right now. Blah blah blah with the mother daughter shoot. I think she is full of it totally. GMAB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushi View Post
    Mine is never at the beach

    Just me
    People now days don't go anywhere without their cells. Internet access, FB, etc. and text messages. That isn't unusual at all IMO. People walk around our office with blackberry's and cell phones all day.

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    With the added element that he took her there to shoot photos, that makes it more likely she left her cell phone in the car. Who takes "pro" photos with their cell phone on them?

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    Do these look like bruises to you?


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    Yes, they do look like bruises.

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    Yes, they do look like bruises.

    I mentioned before that perhaps they could have been liposuction bruises.
    However they got there, those are bruises, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths View Post
    Do these look like bruises to you?

    At first look it does, but if you look at the other girl, by her breast and bathing suit strap, it looks like the same discoloration. Poor photograpy or distorted when it was uploaded? I don't know. Look at the hand of the other model

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