I know this case can help us educate our kids. I think my daughter considers me "over-protective," but she recently called me to help two friends (high school) ... they were walking to town near 11 and the same car went past a couple times. My daughter had come home (good choice!), but I was scared until I found her friends (who couldn't reach their parents).
I'm not saying something more sinister couldn't have happened to LS ... someone who knew the cameras tailing her from Sports, someone showing up in the alley or gravel lot, for example. But while CS' letter is vehement, I think it could be directed at friends who didn't come through.
I think your analysis is wrong in this case. There is a girl who disappeared and no body has been found. This is not "accidental death". This is a criminal act no matter how you take it. Even if it was just an OD, it is still a crime, as someone would have supplied her with drugs and then dispose her body. Only a criminal mind would plan and dispose a body so well that it has not been discovered 3 months later after such extensive searches.
As to what you mentioned about "any parents who might suspect their child was involved would look to protect their child", if that's case, shame on them.
"We have information from that video that again gives us an indication not only of the direction (of her travel) but the activities that have taken place from where that video shows,"
This statement really has me bothered. Could JR be telling the truth about not being the last to see Lauren? If so, who would it be that LE want to keep secret, and why? It seems that most of the players have come back to college, who hasn't? JW?
time... and pressure... and the occasional push from the media... and watching the public responses of the PsOI...
This news report is dated June 7.Spierer, 20, was reported missing last Friday afternoon. Lt. Bill Parker said Tuesday that she was last seen by a male friend walking home to her apartment in downtown Bloomington at around 4:30 a.m. Friday. He said foul play is suspected.
Could suggest case is possibly murder.
But what would be the motive?
JW may have committed a "crime of passion." However, given that he was probably a member of the group which confronted CR at 5 North the following morning, this scenario seems unlikely.
Earlier in the case, some member of this circle was suspected of being an FBI informant. Can't remember which one. Does anyone else remember this discussion?
Let's assume that some members of LS's social circle were using illegal drugs. Then, it follows that they were obtaining these substances from certain people active in this business locally. Of course, they may have had multiple sources, but let's assume that there was at least one particular group selling the drugs in the Smallwood neighborhood.
When we consider the path of CS and LS that night, they seem to be moving along quickly given the reports that they were impaired.
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Bar to Smallwood: 3 minutes.
Smallwood to 10th: 6 minutes.
Through the alley: 3 minutes.
The shoes & cell were left at the bar; the key & change purse were left in the alley. The loss of necessary items implies a sense of urgency. Even her companion did not notice or stop to pick up her belongings.
JMO: they seem as if they are fleeing in fear of something. IOW they are not laughing, chatting and having a nice relaxing stroll. They are impaired but still “making their way along” to their destination.
MB staying up all night; maybe due to deadlines for papers, but also could indicate vigilance.
Another poster here suggested that JR’s/LS’s 4:15 am call to DR was to find out what was going on.
Could the students have been threatened by the drug-dealing group?
Say that CR & LS were drugged and robbed in the bar by the drug-dealing group. They flee to Smallwood to get off the streets. Therefore, the drug-dealing group does not normally have a presence inside the Smallwood building. However they encounter a group of other students, and an altercation results. Then CR is assaulted. Again, they flee. MB takes a very protective attitude toward CR (indicating a fearful situation).
The implication is made that the reason LS goes to JR’s place is to party some more; but seems more likely that they were afraid that something was going to happen, and maybe JR’s was safer. Even if she did ask if MB wanted to "party," maybe she meant it as “do you need to take some drug to stay alert in the face of danger?” rather than did he want to take some drug as a recreational experience.
LS is also reported to have expressed urgency to leave JR's alone at 4:30 am, despite being slightly drunk per JR.
Was LS afraid of this group in the days leading up to her disappearance? Might be interesting to know what other students had heard about the drug-dealing group.
The background emotion seems to be fear. But when did the fear start? Did the drug-dealing group threaten anyone? Did the drug-dealing group blame them for something? Maybe a deal went bad, and they (correctly?) believed that one of the students was an informer. Or did they want to make an example of someone to keep the students quiet?
The drug dealing group probably didn't target LS specifically, but may have used her as a way to take a hit at someone else or at the students generally.
Could have been retaliation for a large drug bust. Did someone get sent to prison as a result of a student report of criminal activity? LS could have fit the demographic.
Last edited by Walker; 09-04-2011 at 04:08 PM. Reason: clarity
News 8 clip reports, "several businesses" located along the relevant section of N. College besides Salzmann's law practice provided surveillance footage to police. According to BPD, there is no footage where LS appears anywhere -- east or west -- at anytime on N. College (or anywhere else) after 2:51 am Friday (6/3) morning, including 3 am, 3:30 am, 4 am, 4:15 am, 4:20 am, 4:25 am, 4:30 am, 4:31 am, 4:32 am, 4:33 am, 4:34 am 4:35 am, 4:36 am, 4:37 am, 4:38 am, 4:39 am, 4:40 am, 4:41 am, 4:42 am ...
I don't know the viewing angle or field of vision for every camera, surveillance or traffic, located along N. College. But here's one.
All I do know is the shot is obviously centered, though the apparent field of vision (in this lens) wouldn't necessarily restrict coverage to one side of the street, depending on mounting angle, elevation etc.
The cameras on College Avenue are probably intended to guard doorways and monitor traffic. Why would there be a need to watch the pedestrians on the sidewalk? However the alley camera seems to have been placed there to detect "activity." Was there a history in that alley?
1. How do you know "His cameras (and no other known cameras) would have been unable to pick up an individual walking along the west side sidewalk of College at any point between 11th street and Smallwood" without access to the footage? Did you install the cameras? Was there a requirement to restrict coverage? Confine scope?
2. Have you viewed surveillance video from this area? If so, from whom?
still bothered by JR's statement to reporters that he speaks privately to the parents.Charlene denied that statement.IMO whoever did this is one heartless,
person and has no conscience.Things will not be the same on campus this semester.Everyone knows they are POI's.They will get looks and be talked about,while having to walk past all the posters of Lauren.It will be their demise.
Google maps streetview is taken using a camera that drives around the street taking 360 degree pictures. Not sure when the shot the roads in bloomington but it is likely several years old.
I agree that it seems like they wouldn't even discuss the lawyer's video footage if it didn't capture at least part of the opposite side of the street.