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    JBean- is it confirmed GP indeed called LE to say MP was not at the home and the children were being left there? Prior to presumedly leaving that last time?
    Also may I ask, if one left the family home, and followed the standard, normal route to the 'base' of the mountain, how many miles is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sreshowtime View Post
    JBean- is it confirmed GP indeed called LE to say MP was not at the home and the children were being left there? Prior to presumedly leaving that last time?
    Also may I ask, if one left the family home, and followed the standard, normal route to the 'base' of the mountain, how many miles is it?
    Six or seven miles depending on which road a person would take to exit the mtn... You could go down the front of the mtn. 127 S to Signal Mtn Rd or go down the "W" road which would take you to Mtn Creek Road..
    I would think Signal Mtn Blvd., Mtn Creek Road, Suck Creek Road area are considered the base of the Mtn..
    If a person were to take 127 N that goes over the mtn you come off the mtn into Sequatchie valley located in Sequatchie County.. To me that would be considered north base of the mtn...JMHO

    ETA.. It is about a 10 mile drive from the residence on Ridgerock to Big Fork Rd on the Sequatchie side of the mtn..
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Does anyone know who filed the CUE report? Looking at it, it seems like reports can be made by anyone with a copy of the police report?
    Don't know, but I did notice one oddity. The report is largely written in the voice of a neutral narrator. There is one part however in parenthesis that jumps into a "it's unlike Gail not to call US" type voice, then back to the narrator. It makes me think that it came from the family.

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    Locals - besides the major local newspapers are there any alternative papers or magazines widely read in Chattanooga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    Locals - besides the major local newspapers are there any alternative papers or magazines widely read in Chattanooga?

    We have the Times News Free Press, Chattanoogan.com, The Pulse..Could be others I'm not familar with too..
    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    Six or seven miles depending on which road a person would take to exit the mtn... You could go down the front of the mtn. 127 S to Signal Mtn Rd or go down the "W" road which would take you to Mtn Creek Road..
    I would think Signal Mtn Blvd., Mtn Creek Road, Suck Creek Road area are considered the base of the Mtn..
    If a person were to take 127 N that goes over the mtn you come off the mtn into Sequatchie valley located in Sequatchie County.. To me that would be considered north base of the mtn...JMHO
    Thank you for reiterating, Emeralgem.

    So now we are back to the ping/tower/satellite situation.

    My very humble opinion: If Gail, her phone, and her Jeep (all together) went missing from the Signal, Mnt Creek, Suck Creek Rd route- then we need to be looking SW.

    If pinging off 127N... then Sequatchie... then we need to be looking at the SVEC towers? I don't like the dead zone along Lewis Chapel. So 409/406 into the valley?
    Errr... so frustrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    Don't know, but I did notice one oddity. The report is largely written in the voice of a neutral narrator. There is one part however in parenthesis that jumps into a "it's unlike Gail not to call US" type voice, then back to the narrator. It makes me think that it came from the family.
    I noticed that too, Irish_Eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oriah View Post
    Thank you for reiterating, Emeralgem.

    So now we are back to the ping/tower/satellite situation.

    My very humble opinion: If Gail, her phone, and her Jeep (all together) went missing from the Signal, Mnt Creek, Suck Creek Rd route- then we need to be looking SW.

    If pinging off 127N... then Sequatchie... then we need to be looking at the SVEC towers? I don't like the dead zone along Lewis Chapel. So 409/406 into the valley?
    Errr... so frustrated.

    Oh Gail, where are you?
    I'm thinking Mtn Creek Rd, Signal Mtn Blvd would be south and east of the mtn..
    Suck Creek going toward Whitwell, Tn which is Marion County would be south and west...
    Sequatchie County and Sequatchie Valley would be north and west of the mtn..
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    Why can I not find that info on that CUE report now??? Isn't this the link?http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/gail-palmgren/

    I don't see the info about the calls, etc....help??

    I did see that the site says"All information submitted to CUE Center For Missing Persons is confidential." So I am assuming maybe family provided the info??


    hmm hey, Oriah- would it help if I do some map staring in Tn instead of Tx for a change??

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    I would say the CUE report has been edited.
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    JBean, can you verify this Cue information with family? The above questions regarding source is pretty important to all of us. With the information now edited I think this is waranted. Thanks so much in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    what does LE need to explain?

    The "threats" are about returning the kids correct?
    We don't know what the "12 HOURS" etc. stuff means beyond it's an ultimatum for something. Unless there has been something I missed, which is very possible, we don't know WHAT she has 12 hours for.

    If threatening messages were left on DN's machine by Matt immediately before Gail disappeared, I personally think LE needs to explain why they didn't consider Gail going missing to be a potential crime. We have threatening messages, the 911 call, Gail's fear, and MP's claim that she was under mental distress... why wasn't that enough for LE to get acting? THAT is what I want LE to explain.
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    I guess then we have to sort out if the messages were corroborated by LE? Or family? I assumed that they had something to do with the return of the children, at least the most recent claim of the 12 hour deadline.

    I dont know if the info was redacted from the CUE report because of accuracy or privacy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    I guess then we have to sort out if the messages were corroborated by LE? Or family? I assumed that they had something to do with the return of the children, at least the most recent claim of the 12 hour deadline.
    I dont know if the info was redacted from the CUE report because of accuracy or privacy....
    Are you referring to SMPD perhaps ordering or telling Gail P she had to return the children within a 12 hour period after they gave her numbers to a safe house? IF so, I don't think so...JMHO..
    Right now, I going with information has been edited due to privacy reasons..JMHO

    ETA.. I have no problem, none whatsoever, believing MP used threatening tactics to control Gail P..JMHO
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    I agree with you Em, I don't see SMPD ordering GP to return her own children to their father. It would be different if there was a legal separation or divorce in progress and MP had a court order stating he had visitation right, but this is not the case. The only trump card I see that MP could possibably play here is that he had been in contact with the people in AL who stated that Gail was out of her mind and he may have threatened to have her institutionalized and take the kids away from her permanantly if she didn't return them. Its so obvious that MP played GP like a fiddle. My heart goes out to her and her children. For the life of me, I don't understand why LE hasn't spoken to these children to find out what was going on. They have specialists who could talk to these kids and get information from them. These kids may be young, but believe me they are old enough to know what is going on. Also I don't understand how MP got away with giving his attorneys the computers like he did. It makes no sense whatsoever why MP is allowed to call the shots here. LE should be in total control of this investigation without interference from MP.

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    You would think if MP had nothing to do with what became of GP he would want to clear his name to the public and his children. If I was TH I wouldn't want anything to do with this guy until it was completely proved he had nothing to do with this. If MP is reading this then I beg you if you had nothing to do with Gail going missing then come clean and let LE talk to your children and lets find Gail, after all she's still the mother of your children and at one time you loved her. Please if you had nothing to do with GP going missing then please help us find her. You can fight you domestic problems out in the court system and get on with your life, but in the meantime, lets find Gail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    I guess then we have to sort out if the messages were corroborated by LE? Or family? I assumed that they had something to do with the return of the children, at least the most recent claim of the 12 hour deadline.

    I dont know if the info was redacted from the CUE report because of accuracy or privacy....
    Surely LE was told about the messages, and I really hope the messages were recorded and saved. If they were left on a cell phone voice mail, it's possible they could have been retrieved at a later date, so I'm hopeful that there are copies for LE to have.

    I also suspect the 12 hours/10 hours was a deadline to bring the kids back, but it could have been MP demanding Gail contact him in some way -- seems like he must have called DN because Gail wasn't talking to him directly. If it was for her to return the kids, it goes a long way to explaining why she left the lake house so early that morning.

    The CUE report not only had that one part Irish Eyes already mentioned which seemed like a personal note, but it was kind of formatted (paragraph breaks, etc.) in an odd way. I wonder if they were in the middle of editing and accidentally published it?
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    Let me be more clear:

    I am assuming that the message allegedly left by Matt on 4/29 referencing "12 hours" had to do with returning the children. My assumption is based upon the fact that Gail returned them to him.

    Separately, SMPD gave her phone numbers to safe houses. Women certainly bring their children with them when they are fleeing abusive marriages. I would think that Gail should have known that first of all, she was not obligated to return the children to Matt. She had them. She had the right to have them with her.

    So, one question-did Matt's alleged deadline regarding 12 hours have to do with the return of the children?

    Another question- how did SMPD advise her regarding the children, or did they at all?

    Last question: why did she drop the kids off and then leave?
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    One thing that really erks me is how people can lawyer up and impede an on going investigation. Something is really wrong with our court system when these lawyers can tie LE's hands like this to the point they can't do their jobs. I say you shouldn't be allowed to lawyer up until said time you've been named a POI or charges have been brought against you. Our laws need to be changed to protect the victims. There are so many cases that could be solved if the laws were changed.

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    I agree to a certain extent Snowbunny, but we still dont really know why Matt lawyered up. He may have hired a criminal attorney for a completely different reason, such as what he thought SMPD might discover in either a physical search of his properties or, for example, a records search as it applied to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    I agree to a certain extent Snowbunny, but we still dont really know why Matt lawyered up. He may have hired a criminal attorney for a completely different reason, such as what he thought SMPD might discover in either a physical search of his properties or, for example, a records search as it applied to him.
    And then why would his mother and TH lawyer up with criminal defense attorneys?

    So many questions and no answers. Gail Marie, where are you???
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    People should realize that once they lawyer up; especial with a criminal lawyer, it makes them look like they've got something to hide. It seems our laws are made to protect the criminals and not the victims in most cases.

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    Could someone please list the VIN of Gail's vehicle please. I'm search craiglist right now for different states. TIA

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    I wish I could have seen the complete Cue report. It's been edited and whiped clean back to the original information about Gail and the Jeep, and that's all there is.

    http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/gail-palmgren/

    So many thanks to those who quoted the information here. I think these threatening phone calls explain so much about why Gail hurried back to Signal Mountain, which was my theory all along. School was out and there was no reason to hurry back - unless she was given an ultimatum. Maybe he was going to have her charged with kidnapping if she ran with the kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtFox View Post
    I wish I could have seen the complete Cue report. It's been edited and whiped clean back to the original information about Gail and the Jeep, and that's all there is.

    http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/gail-palmgren/

    So many thanks to those who quoted the information here. I think these threatening phone calls explain so much about why Gail hurried back to Signal Mountain, which was my theory all along. School was out and there was no reason to hurry back - unless she was given an ultimatum. Maybe he was going to have her charged with kidnapping if she ran with the kids?
    He wouldn't have a leg to stand on. LE knew from the start the children were with her. She is their mother and has just as much right to have the children with her period. Again, if there was a legal separation or divorce going on things may have been different, but that was not the case. It sounds to me like he tried to push his weight around by bullying GP to control her. This is such a sad situation all the way around. I just want to cry everytime I think about Gail and her children. I've been through this and it can be nerve racking. You feel like your whole world is crashing around you and you don't know which way to turn or who you can trust anymore. My heart goes out to Gail where ever she is. If she is by chance still out there alive somewhere, I pray the Lord would bring her home safe and sound to her dear children. There are so many people who care about her.

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