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    Quote Originally Posted by mamamia54 View Post
    No, there are so many more places to be searched, why they chose the places they did at the beginning is beyond me! The only thing that I can think of, as to why, is because those places are well traveled and known to IU students.
    The first search was Hoosier Nat'l Forest. I'm of the opinion that this could be prior hazing location of AEPi. Lake Monroe search was based on a tip. This lake and the others could possibly be hazing locations as well or a friend with a family cabin or boat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by imkeylime View Post
    Does anyone think it's significant one way or another that News 8 vs. the LE at the scene contacted Captain Qualters re: LS?
    Yes, but what to make of it? I took it as a sign that they know enough to know it's not her. Or, they don't communicate with BPD for some reason or another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bx2 View Post
    A little over an hour East of Bloomington, map image included.
    If I were transporting a body I'd take 446 South through Hoosier Nat'l then 50 East.

    If you have a moment can you tell me how to do screen grab of map? TY.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    If you have a moment can you tell me how to do screen grab of map? TY.
    For MS Vista or Windows 7

    Mac is just keyboard shortcut of Cmd Shift 4 to bring up crosshairs to highlight whatever section you'd like to save as an image.


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    I'm sorry, but I just hate that when they find bodies (which are obviously either male or female), they don't address that fact in the beginning. Mind you, in this case since they say it's been there awhile, perhaps it was too decomposed to tell. However recently, there was the guy pulled from the water, who'd driven his car in. They just released that a "body" had been found. Why sensationalize it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    Yes, but what to make of it? I took it as a sign that they know enough to know it's not her. Or, they don't communicate with BPD for some reason or another.
    I took it the first way, that there's something about the body, though decomposed, that might rule out LS, i.e., size, sex, etc. When the body was found in the Indianapolis creek, BPD was alerted ... but that body was ID'd as female at the start, although unidentifiable (http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/...anapolis-creek)

    OTOH, maybe the body is too decomposed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by imkeylime View Post
    I took it the first way, that there's something about the body, though decomposed, that might rule out LS, i.e., size, sex, etc. When the body was found in the Indianapolis creek, BPD was alerted ... but that body was ID'd as female at the start, although unidentifiable (http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/...anapolis-creek)

    OTOH, maybe the body is too decomposed?
    I think either of your scenarios are probably right. Oh, and thank you because now I'll sleep better tonight.


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    This body probably isn't Lauren.

    However, Jennings county is a fairly straight shot from Bloomington, maybe a little more than an hour. So it would be a plausible location for her.

    The other thing -- if they think it is Lauren, they probably don't want to announce anything until 1) they can match dental records, and 2) give a quick autopsy, to see if there's an ovbious cause of death or if there is anything that could lead to a quick arrest.

    I'd say an immediate public announcement about the gender, etc. would be more likely if they could rule out Lauren from the start. And remember, Lauren was 4'11'' and even with the most advanced decomposition, they'd be able to take one look and determine if the body is small enough to be her (which I guess they noticed with the body in Indy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnalyticalExaminer View Post
    CR's car has been searched. JR supposedly did not have a car that night. I would assume that LE has searched JW's car - his house has been searched, and I believe I've seen the car reported but could be wrong - as well as DR's car if he had one (he showed them his phone). I would also guess, perhaps wrongly, that they may not have had access to any out-of-state MPOI's car. We have heard of no LE interest in any in-state MPOI.
    Do you know how JR got back to MI and when?

    I tend to think that you're not ruling DB out as the MPOI. Could it also be that the ZO, AB group had an out of town guest that this board is unaware of?

    I don't doubt DB's presence at JR's that night. JR could have tried to thwart anything between DB and Lauren by sending Lauren home. But it wasn't as if he had total control over DB's actions after JR sent Lauren home. That is what I thought you were getting at. But then I cannot rule out another out of town guest that may have been in those apts at 5 North or the Apts that ZO lived in, a MPOI that LE isn't aware of? I almost feel like DB was bragging went he tweeted that morning as in, "I'm still here, how could I be disposing of a body in Michigan?" which sends me back to DB.

    I think LE has every right to all of the phone records from JR and DB that night and the days following. He can tweet all he wants saying he's in Bton but the pings to his phone might tell a different story.

    I thought I read that JR's Dad picked him up. Perhaps he didn't want to go with DB that morning because he knew what DB had to do on his way back to MI. He'd be just as culpable as DB had he traveled with him back to MI as DB disposed of a body along the way.

    I do not think Lauren is in Bton. I think LE needs to bring in DB's car and see what the cadaver dogs do. Get his phone records and JR's as well. JR may have been or tried to be the voice of reason that night but he was overruled by his guest and turned the other cheek. What does DB have on JR that is keeping him from talking? I would think it was the other way around with DB being higher up on the food chain so to speak. Perhaps fear?

    I think Lauren is in Michigan and he tried to throw off a timeline by tweeting. Check his phone records and find his route home. It may be a needle in a haystack but perhaps giving JR some immunity may help.

    Unless of course, there's a MPOI that I don't know of - does LE know of this MPOI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eqh View Post
    This body probably isn't Lauren.

    However, Jennings county is a fairly straight shot from Bloomington, maybe a little more than an hour. So it would be a plausible location for her.

    The other thing -- if they think it is Lauren, they probably don't want to announce anything until 1) they can match dental records, and 2) give a quick autopsy, to see if there's an ovbious cause of death or if there is anything that could lead to a quick arrest.

    I'd say an immediate public announcement about the gender, etc. would be more likely if they could rule out Lauren from the start. And remember, Lauren was 4'11'' and even with the most advanced decomposition, they'd be able to take one look and determine if the body is small enough to be her (which I guess they noticed with the body in Indy).
    Not familiar with the area - is this off a major highway that one would take, lets say, to Michigan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedrosmom View Post
    Not familiar with the area - is this off a major highway that one would take, lets say, to Michigan?
    No, to head toward MI from Bloomington you'd go north, past Martinsville ... here's a map:

    http://www.distancebetweencities.net...arbor_mi/route

    Jennings County would be south from Bloomington ... see Jupiter's suggested route and bx2's map in last night's posts ...
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    Jennings County is an hour plus from where she was last scene. That seems like a pretty far distance to drive with a body, passing all sorts of forested area, and with daylight around the corner.


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    I just hope that the Spierers find some closure today- I want this body to be hers and I don't at the same time


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    Quote Originally Posted by imkeylime View Post
    No, to head toward MI from Bloomington you'd go north, past Martinsville ... here's a map:

    http://www.distancebetweencities.net...arbor_mi/route

    Jennings County would be south from Bloomington ... see Jupiter's suggested route and bx2's map in last night's posts ...
    I'd like to add something about MI ... some posters have talked about the lakes around JR's, and I've noted that the area is developed/congested. But there are two state rec areas on the route toward Ann Arbor, one of which, Pinckney, I know is filled with lakes. My family used to vacation at Halfmoon Lake, which is very deep and scary in spots, with big drop-offs (like 80 feet). I've included a map link mainly because it's bordered by UofM property.

    This is the type of lake I'd envision a body in ... but park-goers would have been out by the time a MPOI arrived there from Bloomington. (Bit of trivia: There is a town called Hell in this rec area ...)

    http://www.dnr.state.mi.us/publicati...nckney_map.pdf
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