My theory is that all the kids were there, MS and older son were doing something that resulted in the accident. RZ and her younger sister lied to police to protect the older son in saying he wasn't there.
she saved him, can you save her = JS: my sister lied to protect your older son about being involved in the accident, please protect her from prosecution/media glare/blame etc (if the truth comes out that she lied about MS being alone, that she may have been present/involved in the accident...)
I'm only guessing. And I might not be clear because it's 4:30 am and I'm awake, I have to get up in 3 hours
She knew a note, or email with a clear explanation would blow the cover off the secret that all the kids were present at the accident. MS and older son were possibly doing a trick off the bannister, so she had to write the message cryptically, but very clearly, as to not implicate the other children. RZ may have thought with MS about to die, police would investigate further.
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sorry, I'm probably not being concise because I'm tired!!
I'd love to figure out what time JS's teens left that morning. It would answer that part of the mystery of who was there.
I definitely think the message was deliberately cryptic to protect information, OR to look more menacing. It had to be some kind of code, or an intentional red herring to throw off the scent down the right trial.
If the person writing it had wanted it to be clear to everyone, they'd have made it so. It was deliberately oblique.… but why?
Your theory is one possibility. And it's new and refreshing. Thanks!
skibaboo's map of Alanna's neighborhood with triangles marking key locations
Here is a link to Bessie's Map of the Alanna Gallagher case and other abducted girls in the vicinity.
And here's Otto's map of that too
And here is a link to our working timeline in the media thread for Alanna's case.
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The improbability of that theory is that it would have to involve a big giant lie-and not just on the part of RN. And yet under that theory we are still suppose believe that her death is a suicide.
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I've heard it rumored that the message has been painted over already and the door rehung. Is that just web innuendo or a fact? Anyone know?
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Looking at it from the "murder camp" point of view, I thought the message could have been sarcastic.
Maybe someone on the DS side of the family was not too convinced of the RZ version of Max's accident, given the staged appearance of the scene--especially if they knew that the doctor thought Max had been suffocated, or if the doctors said there's no way he was speaking ("Ocean") after that fall. Maybe they thought it was either murder (suffocation) or negligence on the part of RZ, covered up to look like an unavoidable accident with a convenient deathbed statement from Max that the only responsible party was "Ocean".
Maybe upon being confronted with this suspicion, JS said, "She didn't KILL him--she SAVED him" or some variation thereof. Maybe...whoever...had an angry reaction to this, particularly in light of the fact that Max was clearly going to be a vegetable at the very least.
Maybe RZ was killed by...whoever, and the message meant, "Oh, you think she 'saved' him? Well, maybe you can 'save' her...but she's not gonna be breathing for a while, so she'll be a vegetable too."
Crazy, I know. Just brainstorming here.
"It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
Written on a door in paint was the phrase “She save him, can you save her.” But the autopsy cites the language as “She saved him, can you save her. “
POSTED BY CATHY SCOTT AT 8:38 AM
LABELS: ANNE BREMNER, ANNE BREMNER'S POSTS, CALIFORNIA, CORONADO ISLAND, JONAH SCHACKNAI, REBECCA ZAHUA, SUICIDE
I would like to see it confirmed that this was written by Anne Bremner.
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I can see it more as suicide if the message on the door was written in imperfect English. Plus, I can probably now see why Rebecca would have chosen to kill herself in such a horrible manner. She probably felt angry and hurt that Jonah and his family as well as the LE suspected that she had intentionally hurt Max by suffocating him, even though it was later proven to be an accident after Max's autopsy.
NBC Today Show with Anne the sister Mary and the Brother In Law..reported the message on September 30th as
"She saved him, can he save her."
If it was suicide...
With all Jonah's legal troubles.... being sued in a class action suit.. that was just settled today... did he try suicide at one point and RZ saved him.... but now he can't save her?
All of my posts are simply thought-starters and are not meant to be implications in any way, shape or form.
The class action lawsuit would have added another level of stress to JS, making him in my mind even more likely to snap and kill RZ when your business is threatened and now you are about to lose your son?
It was interesting to note that in the JS address to shareholders he spoke often in the third person.... when speaking about the accident.. " it does make one introspective" ... and then when talking about the future... " I will be in my office..."
Would JS or his lawyer allow JS to even admit that he had that kind of personal relationship with RZ? It could actually make him a suspect!!
I remember reading that JS older son was not there, as he was at chess camp. However, GS was still in town Monday morning. Unclear what time she left town on Monday morning.......I would be surprised if a teen was scheduled for a 6 am flight, as most teens want to sleep in. And why would MS be up at 430-5 am to ride along with JS /GS to the airport, as you have to be there 90 min pre flight - unless private plane then could show up at a bit later.
I've always thought the message had sarcastic overtones. So, that would point towards DS team vs. AS if acted alone to hurt JS vs. Hired hit by Big Pharm vs. JS - if he wanted to throw everyone off and play the pity card. Even works, if RZ upset that the family blaming her for MS death and its suicide - although its really looking like murder these days..... JS packing clothes Monday night then lack of communication to RZ on Tuesday suggesting anger, Woman seen at manson at 10 pm, Twin sister text at 10:45 pm - she just wanted to see if RZ around..., Woman screaming for help at 11:30 PM, JS "missing" midnight call -deleted!, RZ found naked/ bound with sailor knots, AS TEXT(rather than call) to JS re "suicide", JS lack of reaction to text -does not call AS stat or return home, JS/DS air-tight alibies were based on their word, not LE checking out their actions/cell pings, ED MD false belief regarding MS accident during that week. You tie it all togather - looks like murder.
Shame on the LE. RZ family /attorney should demand to be present when any cell phone examination performed. In the mean time, cell should be in 3rd party to prevent further loss of evidence. The LE closed the case, so no need to keep the cell. In addition, RZ computer, clothing, etc should be returned to the family immediately.
Last edited by curiousjo; 09-30-2011 at 08:22 PM.
Why did they have it painted over?
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Great find Deana82437 regarding JS signature (right under out nose):
JS writes in block letters! He has a unique signature - its not common to sign in block letters. The A is different. S is not defined.
So, door message in block letters. Wonder what the A in SAVE(D) looked like? Not to mention the S, H.
Coincidence or not.........
Last edited by curiousjo; 10-02-2011 at 11:59 AM.