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    The Rope and the knots

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    Has it ever been stated if the rope had been seen by anyone else before this tragedy?? Who purchased it? Since the home was so close to the water I am assuming it would be very common in that area.

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    If this was a new rope, which I assume it must have been to have no other DNA on it, where the heck was the package it came in? If it sat on the garage shelf without a package, it should have been covered in dust and perhaps had some remnant of DNA from the person who took it out of the package and put it on the shelf.
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    I know we previously discussed how she used all the rope and had perfectly cut the correct lenght for tieing to the bed and her neck. I don't remember if anyone said there should have been any "fraying" pieces in the room. I also wonder did they analyze the 2 knives found in the room to see if they were really used to cut the rope?
    Also, the knife on the outside ground...was it tested for DNA?
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    Score, I did bring up the missing rope fragments on the carpet in the guest bedroom. There should be red rope fibers wherever the rope was cut. If it was cut in the garage, I would expect to see them there. If the rope was cut in the guest bedroom, I would expect to see them there. I looked closely at all of the photos that LE released and could not find a single red rope fiber anywhere, not even on either of the knives. Odd, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IWannaKnow View Post
    If this was a new rope, which I assume it must have been to have no other DNA on it, where the heck was the package it came in? If it sat on the garage shelf without a package, it should have been covered in dust and perhaps had some remnant of DNA from the person who took it out of the package and put it on the shelf.
    Good point about the dust, IWK! If the rope wasn't new, and had been stored on the garage shelf, dust would have collected on it.

    Also - since the mansion is beachfront, if the rope had been on the garage shelf for an extended period of time, it would have salt & mineral residue on it from the ocean air. If the rope was used, it would have salt & mineral residue on it from the ocean water.

    About the packaging materials - if the rope was brand new, where is the plastic or paper (with the label) that wrapped it? Where is the plastic spool it would have been coiled around, or the plastic ties that would have been wrapped around it to keep it tidy during shipping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    Good point about the dust, IWK! If the rope wasn't new, and had been stored on the garage shelf, dust would have collected on it.

    Also - since the mansion is beachfront, if the rope had been on the garage shelf for an extended period of time, it would have salt & mineral residue on it from the ocean air. If the rope was used, it would have salt & mineral residue on it from the ocean water.

    About the packaging materials - if the rope was brand new, where is the plastic or paper (with the label) that wrapped it? Where is the plastic spool it would have been coiled around, or the plastic ties that would have been wrapped around it to keep it tidy during shipping?
    I also think the rope had to be new because they tested it and found no DNA on it rather than RN's. If it had been used then I presume the DNA from other people would have been on it. JS didn't know if they had that kind of rope in the house, and it appears LE wasn't at all curious where it came from (simply assuming it came from the garage because there is space where it could have been).
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    The rope. Is it the same thickness/pliability as the rope used in the video made by LE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I also think the rope had to be new because they tested it and found no DNA on it rather than RN's. If it had been used then I presume the DNA from other people would have been on it. JS didn't know if they had that kind of rope in the house, and it appears LE wasn't at all curious where it came from (simply assuming it came from the garage because there is space where it could have been).
    If the rope was not new, viable DNA may or may have not been on it (depending on when it might have been last handled, prior to RZ's death). DNA is very vulnerable to environmental conditions. Did LE test every millimeter of the rope - or just random segments of it - for DNA? Unless they tested every millimeter of it, they can't state with 100% accuracy that the rope contained no one else's DNA besides RZ's.

    I agree with you about LE's lack of curiosity as to where the rope came from. I was astounded during the PC when it came out that there was an empty space on a garage shelf, therefore it was concluded the rope must have been on that shelf - especially since the homeowner (JS) couldn't say one way or another if the rope had been on that shelf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    If the rope was not new, viable DNA may or may have not been on it (depending on when it might have been last handled, prior to RZ's death). DNA is very vulnerable to environmental conditions. Did LE test every millimeter of the rope - or just random segments of it - for DNA? Unless they tested every millimeter of it, they can't state with 100% accuracy that the rope contained no one else's DNA besides RZ's.

    I agree with you about LE's lack of curiosity as to where the rope came from. I was astounded during the PC when it came out that there was an empty space on a garage shelf, therefore it was concluded the rope must have been on that shelf - especially since the homeowner (JS) couldn't say one way or another if the rope had been on that shelf.
    10 spots near the knots. They didn't even claim to have tested the end where Rebecca was cut down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    10 spots near the knots. They didn't even claim to have tested the end where Rebecca was cut down.
    Thanks Sunnie!

    10 spots. On a rope how long? 60 feet, IIRC?

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    I, too, am astounded at the casualness of LE admitting they don't know where the rope came from. I know, I know, there was "an empty spot in the garage". That's nothing when you're talking a possible murder weapon and the difference between murder and suicide. It's curious to me because, imo, the rope "evidence" (as far as it maybe coming from the garage) is no weaker than a lot of their evidence yet the rope is the only thing they said "possibly" about in the press conference. The murder weapon or at the very least the method of death, and they say "possibly".

    Where is the bag it came in? Isn't it a problem if say, that's in the guest house? But they don't know. Perhaps it was removed from its original wrapping and stored in the plastic bag (later found in the guest room), which would explain the apparent lack of dust or dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    If the rope was not new, viable DNA may or may have not been on it (depending on when it might have been last handled, prior to RZ's death). DNA is very vulnerable to environmental conditions. Did LE test every millimeter of the rope - or just random segments of it - for DNA? Unless they tested every millimeter of it, they can't state with 100% accuracy that the rope contained no one else's DNA besides RZ's.

    I agree with you about LE's lack of curiosity as to where the rope came from. I was astounded during the PC when it came out that there was an empty space on a garage shelf, therefore it was concluded the rope must have been on that shelf - especially since the homeowner (JS) couldn't say one way or another if the rope had been on that shelf.
    It also looks to be new from the photos. Shiny and new. If it was actually used for the purpose of which it was designed for, I don't think it would be looking so new.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    It also looks to be new from the photos. Shiny and new. If it was actually used for the purpose of which it was designed for, I don't think it would be looking so new.
    I agree - when I look @ close-ups of the rope, it looks brand spanking new. There doesn't appear to be a speck of dirt on it.

    So where is the packaging material? LE never said word one about that. I wonder if they even looked for the packaging material. If the rope is brand new - where was it purchased from & who purchased it & when?

    Oh, but they claim their findings are "ironclad". Mmmm hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TorisMom003 View Post
    Score, I did bring up the missing rope fragments on the carpet in the guest bedroom. There should be red rope fibers wherever the rope was cut. If it was cut in the garage, I would expect to see them there. If the rope was cut in the guest bedroom, I would expect to see them there. I looked closely at all of the photos that LE released and could not find a single red rope fiber anywhere, not even on either of the knives. Odd, no?
    Thanks, Toris. Yes, red fibers should really show up on the gray carpet but like you, I see no fibers. It doesn't even looked like the knives were used....seems so staged.
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