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    well... I'm NEVER there at 4:30am (I always leave by 3!! ), but I understand that it's kind of a "hangout" place for BPD at night...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Sadly summer camp may not be a good idea for teenagers. Sometimes drug abusers develop an interest in backpacking etc. just so that they can be off LE radar. Too many opportunities in the outdoors to try out the stuff; too many places to hide; the counselors tend to be too young and too "cool." But this situation is very unfortunate, because normal sports and outdoor activity can be so enriching.

    Maybe 17-18yo is just too young to be away from home. At that age, maybe people are biologically set up to get along socially rather than rocking the boat, and risking ostracization by rejecting drug abuse. If they aren't strongly enthusiatic about academics, maybe they get too bored, and they need social acceptance much more than they would normally.
    I'm sorry but I have to STRONGLY disagree with you about your summer camp claim. I have attended and worked at a summer camp (for 13 years, over half my life!) very similar to LS and know many people who have attended her camp. These camps provide kids with incredible role models, a support system and a lifelong family. Camps have a zero tolerance policy about drug use and drinking, I have seen friends and former counselors fired from my camp for such things. These camps can attract families with money since it is so expensive to send a child away to camp for a month or two, so it is possible that these kids when they grow up into young adults have the resources to drink and do expensive drugs (cocaine, etc). Summer camps, backpacking and such do not cause or contribute to drug and alcohol abuse.

    Also, 17-18 is when these teenagers are being trained to be counselors and leaders in the camp, generally rising seniors in high school are counselors in training, sometimes junior counselors. They are given responsibilities and the camp directors and supervisory staff have very high expectations of them. I was the assistant director of the counselor training program at my summer camp in 2010 and they couldn't have been more eager and excited to become counselors and leaders in their camp community. I think without programs like overnight camps, sports camps, teams etc, people are more likely to go down a dark path in their young adult years..

    Sorry to rant, but I have to defend the camping system. It made me who I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Sadly summer camp may not be a good idea for teenagers. Sometimes drug abusers develop an interest in backpacking etc. just so that they can be off LE radar. Too many opportunities in the outdoors to try out the stuff; too many places to hide; the counselors tend to be too young and too "cool." But this situation is very unfortunate, because normal sports and outdoor activity can be so enriching.
    I will tell you that this is not at all my experience. Drugs are just not part of the culture of summer camp, and and even if there were opportunity (in my experience, there's not), there is very little time, opportunity or places to hide, as you suggest... you are busy all the time. Everyone I know who went to/ worked at summer camps consider it to be a major part of their lives, and a positive experience. My experience obviously isn't universal, but having attended and worked at the same kind of summer camp that Lauren did for most of my life, I have to disagree with your assessment.

    Edited to add: ha, Alliecog beat me to it.


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    I'm glad to hear Abby and Allie both responding to the summer camp claim! I was hesitant to do that because it's been about 35(!) years since I worked at a summer camp in NH and I thought that perhaps things had changed. But even back then, counselor background checks were pretty stringent - and the programs were tightly controlled.

    This is very different from simply going out on a backpacking trip. The days and evenings are busy and there's a culture of health, responsibility, leadership that really helps kids to grow!


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    Somewhat OT but my camp's slogan is "where friends become family" and I couldn't imagine my life without my camp friends. To offset the cost after my first summer, my mom worked at our camp as a nurse for 8 SUMMERS. It truly became a family affair, and my camp friends have become my family and will always be like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alliecog View Post
    Somewhat OT but my camp's slogan is "where friends become family" and I couldn't imagine my life without my camp friends. To offset the cost after my first summer, my mom worked at our camp as a nurse for 8 SUMMERS. It truly became a family affair, and my camp friends have become my family and will always be like that.
    (stands quietly over here, applauding your incredibly awesome mom)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alliecog View Post
    Somewhat OT but my camp's slogan is "where friends become family" and I couldn't imagine my life without my camp friends. To offset the cost after my first summer, my mom worked at our camp as a nurse for 8 SUMMERS. It truly became a family affair, and my camp friends have become my family and will always be like that.
    BBM

    Do you believe this to be a common sentiment? I wonder if it could be playing a part in the silence seen in this case.


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    She is amazing. I should mention I am a twin so she is even more awesome. She continued coming even when I was a first year staff member. Her fellow camp nurses have become her best friend, she calls them "her bunk"

    Basically I'm defending camp so much because I believe in my heart that LS is a very sweet, smart and passionate girl. I know through friends that she is everything CS has said and more, a true friend that would do anything for you. I believe camp made LS this way. Unfortunately Smallwood is a place that attracts a lot of people who run in the party and drug circles, I know that she partied hard, and with people who did the same. It is easy to fall into the party scene here at IU, just like any other big college (or any college for that matter), it seems to me that LS just partied too hard that night and found herself in compromising positions. We've all been there in one way or another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bx2 View Post
    BBM

    Do you believe this to be a common sentiment? I wonder if it could be playing a part in the silence seen in this case.
    Yes absolutely I do. I just don't understand your question about it playing part in the silence? The majority of POIs are not LS camp friends. Can you explain your connection?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alliecog View Post
    Yes absolutely I do. I just don't understand your question about it playing part in the silence? The majority of POIs are not LS camp friends. Can you explain your connection?
    I was alluding to the possibility of helping to cover up for "family" or remain tight lipped about their possible involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bx2 View Post
    I was eluding to the possibility of helping to cover up for "family" or remain tight lipped about their possible involvement.
    No, absolutely not. I think that the opposite would be true, camp friends would feel obligated to Lauren and her family (the parents of camp friends become 2nd moms and dads). I think that if any of her camp friends who may be involved (who besides HT?) knew anything beyond what is already known to LE then they would be speaking up, shouting from the rooftops! All of the guys that L was with that night are NOT camp friends, and honestly don't seem like the nicest guys. Bloomington in the summer is different, many friends leave for the summer and there is a limited group of people to hang out with. I think THIS FACT contributed to LS's night, she was not with her closest friends or the people who would look out for her, as far as I'm concerned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alliecog View Post
    No, absolutely not. I think that the opposite would be true, camp friends would feel obligated to Lauren and her family (the parents of camp friends become 2nd moms and dads). I think that if any of her camp friends who may be involved (who besides HT?) knew anything beyond what is already known to LE then they would be speaking up, shouting from the rooftops! All of the guys that L was with that night are NOT camp friends, and honestly don't seem like the nicest guys. Bloomington in the summer is different, many friends leave for the summer and there is a limited group of people to hang out with. I think THIS FACT contributed to LS's night, she was not with her closest friends or the people who would look out for her, as far as I'm concerned.
    Sorry, I was referring to the other people with her and their connections to each other, not their connection to LS. JR, for example, went away to camp. If he has the same family bond with a person involved, might it explain why he would be reluctant to come forward.


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    I've wondered about that, Alliecog -- and I'm glad you reminded me that it was summer...

    I would think that LS would have had a group of friends from the fashion design school. I know that when I was in university, often our friend group was from within our department because we spent so much time together.... so I have wondered why those friends haven't come forward with info... but many of them were probably not in town -- that makes more sense to me now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bx2 View Post
    Sorry, I was referring to the other people with her and their connections to each other, not their connection to LS. JR, for example, went away to camp. If he has the same family bond with a person involved, might it explain why he would be reluctant to come forward.
    I guess that could be a possibility, but I do not recall how all those guys knew each other... I honestly don't know what to think about JR. I just think that he has more to explain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bloom54 View Post
    well... I'm NEVER there at 4:30am (I always leave by 3!! ), but I understand that it's kind of a "hangout" place for BPD at night...
    Maybe BPD hangout there to prevent the type of problems that sometimes are associated with WH parking lots. For LS to be abducted as she walked from 11th to 10th on College Ave would then seem less likely.


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