So, I've been following this case silently since the beginning. For some reason I have been captured by it like many of you. I'm from southern Indiana and went to another IN university. I moved out of the state years ago and I don't know much about btown.
Anyways, the altercation at SW intrigues me for some reason. I keep thinking that if I was CR and was 'punched' I wouldn't just go home to bed and I wouldn't let the guy (ZO or whomever) or group get away with it. I also don't think I'd keep quiet about it when I was out with people or partying. It just seems like ok he was punched and then nothing. Yeah maybe he's keeping a low profile about it. But there has to be some talk as to why or to who it was that punched CR. We read there was a group so it means more than one person was with the person who punched CR. If you were punched wouldn't you want to get back at him at some point? Or maybe see him out partying and have words? It's just odd to me. It's been four months surely there will be another altercation between these people?
What is ZO and crew up to these days? We hear so much about the others.
Last edited by BossLady; 10-04-2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: Type
I've wondered the same thing about ZO and the 'altercation', Bosslady.
On a (somewhat) related note, in a moment of insomnia/ snoopiness one night, I discovered this site: http://spotcrime.com/ where you can view crime by address or city/date. I was curious whether it would turn up anything that might confirm some earlier rumours about ZO, but I didn't see anything (I didn't look very hard though). But, I did stumble across another random bit of weirdness: Early this year, another person in this crowd of friends, who lives down the street from ZO, reported a burglary where they "had the door kicked in by unknown subjects". Burglary, fine.. but a door kicked in by strangers? And one day later (or that night) one of the roommates was arrested for assault.... hmmm.
This doesn't really have anything to do with LS, but I'm posting it as an observation that the amount of arrests and reports of violence that are on record about people in this social scene seems totally weird to me. I know some of that may be explained by the frequency of underage drinking charges in Bloomington, but still... In all of my partying through university, I did not know a single person who was arrested for anything... It just makes me wonder about how often things go 'too far' in this group and makes me think that the possibility that a violent crime could be committed in this setting is not so unfathomable.
Last edited by AbbeyR; 10-05-2011 at 01:20 AM.
I have been following this site for some time now and even commented a few times. I would like to relay a conversation I had last night with a good friend of mine.
My friend’s daughter graduated from IU Bloomington in 2009. She is living there now
and told her this conversation. A very good friend of the daughters is a bartender in Btown. She has taken it upon herself to watch out for the young girls who like to party
hard in Btown.
On the night LS disappeared, the bartender had gotten off work and drove by Smallwood
on her way home. She saw a young girl outside of Smallwood who looked completely
wasted. A male person was walking down the sidewalk towards her. She turned her vehicle around and went back. She asked the girl if she was ok. The male person responded, “She is with me”. Again she asked the girl if she was ok. Again, he responded, “I said she is with me”. The bartender went home.
The next night when she went to work she relayed the story to her co-workers. They asked her what the girl was wearing. When she told them, black slacks with a white top they informed her that the girl was missing.
The bartender went to the police and told them the story and gave them a description of the male person.
I was not given any times of when this happened. So, I am assuming the usual time the bars close. If this were the case then LS would have been unable to help anyone get home. If the male person was CR, then he was coherent enough to talk to the bartender. If it was not CR, then we have another person involved. I am sure that this would have been caught on video outside the apartment.
Therefore, if the report is true, either the reporter comes from a bar that closes earlier, or (she was not on camera and) the report comes from after 3AM, and more likely towards or after 3:30, and does not tell us anything definitive about her condition or who she was with at 2:40.
There is also the possibility that some info got changed in telephone translation. Given the specificity of the report, I have to ask, why was it not also specified whether the individual resembled any of the POI (and which one)?
One note relevant to the above: LS and CR left SW at 2:42. They entered or were within the Southern part of the alley at 2:48. That six minutes seems to be about twice as long as it should take to walk that distance under normal circumstances (per google maps). I'm not sure if the same is true of the 3 minutes it took them to walk the alley. That may give some credence to the above report (assuming the report referred to the 2:45 timeframe), but it also suggests that whatever was observed by the reporter was either resolved by the time they entered the alley or also observed on the alley cameras.
That story could be fit into what we know, but I am assuming the man has to be CR unless there is a hell of a bombshell waiting on the alley video. Doesn't entirely change much for me except maybe making CR more sober and Lauren less. Unless the man isn't CR and then that changes everything.
Because of her description, I assumed the original bartender was on foot, not in a car. To be driving south on College would mean she either works at Jakes or, well, I can't think of any others located north of the center. Not that matters.
OTOH it's a bit curious that the bartender would retell the story to her co-workers the next day; OTOH maybe she shares all of her episodes this way, and/or she felt concerned.
Or else in the retelling of the story the embellishment comes not only with time but as other people interpret the story and retell it themselves. It's just human nature.
I'm not sure it would be that curious. Perhaps the whole scene didn't sit right with her from the beginning and part of her immediately wished she'd handled the situation differently and she felt it was odd enough to retell. Then once the news broke of course she'd be second guessing herself and telling others of what she'd seen.... IMHO...OTOH it's a bit curious that the bartender would retell the story to her co-workers the next day; OTOH maybe she shares all of her episodes this way, and/or she felt concerned.
It makes you wonder how many reports like this the police have that distract from one theory or another of their's. Assuming this story to be true, where does it fit in the timeline? If before they entered Smallwood then it still leaves CR's story of being punched and disoriented still viable. If immediately after they left SW then it does call into question her ability to be doing anything (coherently) the rest of that night/morning. But then, what if it occurs after she left supposedly left JR's?
Also, info like we're seeing here isn't likely to make its way to the PI's if they don't pound the pavement and discover it on their own. The police wouldn't share it. Only if the police shared it with the family would it possibly make it to the PI's to investigate. Who is to say exactly what the police really share with the family? More importantly, who is to say which leads the police follow the hardest? If something doesn't fit their best theory of the crime I have to wonder how much weight they'd give an unsubstantiated story, and especially if they'd tend to think the sighting must be wrong or convince themselves the witnesses recollection of the time must be wrong.
This just occurs to me... and I'm not usually one to suggest scenarios...
but what if...
what if this really took place at 10th & College, rather than SW... and what IF the person walking towards her were JR....