Did anyone find a connection between AA (the guy who found the wristlet and keys at 3AM) and any POI? Was he an IU student? Where was he coming from and where was he going? Could this be MPOI #2? Too much irony between the 2:51 video and his claim of finding her things at 3AM. Terrible coincidence to be in that exact location at that time. He had to have seen something, heard something. Did LE get him on camera?
"I believe in the sun even when it isn't shining. I believe in love, even when I am alone, I believe in God, even when He is silent.
While I feel a great deal of sympathy for the family and friends of LS, we need to keep in mind that JR, CR and MB could possibly be totally innocent. Going too far with the accusations could possibly incite violence against them.
Although it seems likely at this point, we don't even have any proof that LS is dead.
It has never seemed strange to me that nearly 10 minutes later after they passed through someone else saw her keys and wristlet and moved it. College party nights are pretty busy and 10 minutes is plenty of time for CR and LS to clear out of the area. The distances we are talking about are mere blocks.
So, I have a hard time believing the 2:51AM video shows anything of note. At best (as evidence) it might call into question LS' ability to be walking home 90 mins later or even be coherent but it's clearly not the smoking gun or else this case would be much further along. There may be some useful info on it that could impeach someone's future testimony. But that would assume someone is talking (or will talk) and clearly that's not the case right now.
Apparently, what's on the video isn't even bad enough to call into question MB's story because you'd think if she was not at least somewhat coherent in the video then that would put MB in a bad position with him saying she walked in his place, stayed for awhile, wanted to 'party' and left for JR's (assuming that is actually the statement he gave police).
Personally, I think this case is on the verge of going extremely cold. The landfill search, where they apparently found nothing, pretty much IMHO tells us LE has nothing. That appears to have been a hail Mary. Much of the speculation these days can't be accurate or else someone would already be in trouble. Things like the 2:51AM video showing 'something' nefarious... the alleged cell ping in Martinsville... These are things, that if they existed, the police could act upon. The only way I think there could be a cell ping in Martinsville that the police wouldn't act upon would be if that POI had already admitted to being in that area (or someone with their phone) and had a reason LE can't immediately discount. If someone said they were home with their phone in their possession all morning and LE had a ping on a Martinsville tower (which would show this POI lying), then they'd already be facing charges IMO. That would be the type of leverage LE needs.
I do not speak for anyone else obviousilly but I have to say from my own perspective I have almost completely stoped coming and reading this thread and this case all together now because of the use of just the initals and short form and internet lingo its made tchis ase way to confusing . I do not know If this is done on purpose because of legal reasons It dont seem to be the case in most of the cases on here i read but in my opinion its confused alot of people and turned off alot of sleuthers that would normally be looking in to this case and who knows maybe supplying a helpfull tip. And if Lauren spier is ever found and this case goes to a trial Don't blame it on the juriors when they cant figure out who anyone is talking about ...
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I liked how Whitney Lea described what CR knows/doesn't remember as a "narrative." Thinking in that way, each POI has a narrative from that night ... and combined they should form a fairly accurate "text" of what happened at least before LS disappeared. But they don't, primarily because CR can't/won't recall his narrative and HT became the spokeswoman for JR's.
I think it's interesting how Jupiter described Salzmann's photo alongside CR's on the video. As I see it, CR's attorney also messed with the text by saying that CR has memory loss from the SW hit and that LS helped CR home. How exactly would he have known the latter anyhow unless he had witnesses, since CR can't remember? He's trying to tell CR's narrative, which he can't and shouldn't do.
In addition to CR's silence, we don't know if HT embellished JR's narrative for her own personal reasons, etc. I've seen this happen before in a bullying situation ... some people were reluctant to speak and thus said too little, and some people decided to speak for others but put their own spin on it. Truth can spin into fiction pretty fast when that sort of thing happens.
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Their conditions are not fact. While many agree and LE has acknowledged the possibility.... however that leave room for suspicion.
The purpose is truly unknown, so again there is nothing concrete to allow any of us to be an expert on the matter, therefore....still room for suspicion.
These ideas were posted as suspicion of the events reported after the 2:51 video, not fact.
As akh's post says above, if there were any impossibilities in someone's story, I think we would be farther along than we are. Ergo, I have to assume it's possible.
But yes, there may be a subtext we're not aware of. I suspect that's a big issue ...
I followed a link to the findlauren website ... the video there is heartbreaking ... the music and pics of LS at all ages. http://findlauren.com/
One pic stood out for me ... she had a UofM t-shirt on, maize yellow with a blue "M." Probably because her sister went there, I realize ... six degrees of separation and all that.
"The front faces north, the east has an apartment adjacent to it...the angle alone creates enough limitation for me to create suspicion."
Good point about Lauren in the U of M shirt, Keylime. I recall seeing that. I think it's more like 2 degrees of separation which certainly makes a certain MPOI seem more likely.
On the issue of what is a fact: We know that all three 5N POI have taken polygraphs, most or all of which were privately-administered. We don't know what they were asked, or whether they told the truth, but I think it's a good assumption that pretty much anything they have told LE they also told to the poly administrator, and that they probably were only poly'd on things that were true. Therefore, I think that we can assume it's probable that most or all of what we have heard from LE and the POI's attorneys, and perhaps also what we have heard from the POI via other parties, is true. This includes JR watching LS walk off, from wherever he did so, and CR's memory loss (though how precisely that was subject to a poly might be open to question). It is of course entirely possible that these things are not true - we're all rightly somewhat skeptical about them - and maybe even probable given the family's questioning. But for purposes of helping to figure out what happened, which I think is the purpose of this forum, I think it might benefit us to try to come up with some thoughts based on the assumption that they are, even if we might prefer for whatever reason to believe that they are not. That is my personal belief.
I remember reading somewhere that the next morning a neighbor of CR stated CR asked
"If they had seen that little blonde girl"? Lets assume that the next morning when he woke up, MB was there. I'm sure MB would have recaped what happened the night before(since CR can't remenber)and that CS left to go to JR's. Lets assume that MB wasn't there when he woke up. Would he not just assume that LS went home? So, why would need need to ask if anyone had seen that little blonde girl? Maybe he is trying to see if any of the neighbors heard or saw anything that morning.
It would be interesting to hear a recap of conversations the morning of June 3. It would be informative to know in what order JR, DR, MB and CR gave their stories to HT and what questions they asked her. Same for any interaction with JW.
Does anyone else believe that if RS/CS don't know these things they must not have a very good PI.
1. who was present at 5 North Townhomes June 2/3
2. which vehicles were available,
3 who texted/called who that night and the following days among LS,JW,CR,JR,MB, DR,AB,DB,HT
4. who contacted their parents and what time