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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedrosmom View Post
    HT should be a POI if she's not already. I think she was jealous of Lauren, a beautiful blonde, natural, tiny, sweet, loved by so many. I have yet to see her shed a tear, just babbling to the media, LOVING to hear herself talk. That chick is bad news IMO.
    The first time I saw HT on tv, I thought, "Does this gal realize this isn't fiction? Why is she giddy? Why is she acting like this?" It's hard to know if:

    she's aware of more than she lets on...
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    that to be on television and in so much drama and excitement she fails to grasp both the gravity and the reality of the situation. JMO.


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    CS/RS detective goes public. Former NYPD detective BD.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/good_day_...-case-20110923


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnalyticalExaminer View Post
    On the issue of what is a fact: We know that all three 5N POI have taken polygraphs, most or all of which were privately-administered. We don't know what they were asked, or whether they told the truth, but I think it's a good assumption that pretty much anything they have told LE they also told to the poly administrator, and that they probably were only poly'd on things that were true. Therefore, I think that we can assume it's probable that most or all of what we have heard from LE and the POI's attorneys, and perhaps also what we have heard from the POI via other parties, is true. This includes JR watching LS walk off, from wherever he did so, and CR's memory loss (though how precisely that was subject to a poly might be open to question). It is of course entirely possible that these things are not true - we're all rightly somewhat skeptical about them - and maybe even probable given the family's questioning. But for purposes of helping to figure out what happened, which I think is the purpose of this forum, I think it might benefit us to try to come up with some thoughts based on the assumption that they are, even if we might prefer for whatever reason to believe that they are not. That is my personal belief.
    I think your logic is solid here. An atty would only poly statements that could be interpreted as true. For example, CR would poly to "I have no memory of the evening" (he doesn't have a memory but he knows because someone told him), MB would poly to "I watched her walk out the door (doesn't say with who) and MB may also poly to "Do you want to party" (she may have also said ,CR gave me the craziest pill at Sports, you should try one) but he would leave that out. JR may poly to "I watched her round the corner"
    (could be in the back of a car or over someone's shoulder)

    I would love to see each of them give these statements under oath.

    But given all that I think the odds are higher for JR beating a poly than for him to have the patience at 4:00 in the morning to watch a barefoot girl walk to the corner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by holly2325 View Post
    I think your logic is solid here. An atty would only poly statements that could be interpreted as true. For example, CR would poly to "I have no memory of the evening" (he doesn't have a memory but he knows because someone told him), MB would poly to "I watched her walk out the door (doesn't say with who) and MB may also poly to "Do you want to party" (she may have also said ,CR gave me the craziest pill at Sports, you should try one) but he would leave that out. JR may poly to "I watched her round the corner"
    Except JR has said that LS rounded the corner alone on foot, MB said she left alone, and CR has claimed memory loss only from the time they left the bar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    CS/RS detective goes public. Former NYPD detective BD.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/good_day_...-case-20110923
    The key takeaway from this interview, in my opinion: more evidence that drugs (he specifically mentions pills like xanax) are at issue (though he also acknowledges the possibility of a crime of opportunity). The negative comments about BPD are interesting, but I wouldn't take them at face value, necessarily. I hope, in light of stuff like this - http://thinkprogress.org/media/2009/...l-couric-imus/ - that he helps rather than hurts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    CS/RS detective goes public. Former NYPD detective BD.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/good_day_...-case-20110923
    Well, that was interesting. Funny that his major push was toward a relationship to narcotics. Did you find it weird that he doesn't suggest the possibility that LS didn't leave 5 North. God, I hope this guy can deliver.

    I hope he has resources to look at forensics News International style: phone records, DMV records, credit card receipts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnalyticalExaminer View Post
    The key takeaway from this interview, in my opinion: more evidence that drugs (he specifically mentions pills like xanax) are at issue (though he also acknowledges the possibility of a crime of opportunity). The negative comments about BPD are interesting, but I wouldn't take them at face value, necessarily. I hope, in light of stuff like this - http://thinkprogress.org/media/2009/...l-couric-imus/ - that he helps rather than hurts.
    That was totally uncool the way he openly criticized BPD. And the reference to Gomer Pyle made no sense. I think he meant Barney Fife, but not a time to be cute anyway.
    I would get that vid taken down. Bad first impression.


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    Quote Originally Posted by holly2325 View Post
    Well, that was interesting. Funny that his major push was toward a relationship to narcotics. Did you find it weird that he doesn't suggest the possibility that LS didn't leave 5 North. God, I hope this guy can deliver.

    I hope he has resources to look at forensics News International style: phone records, DMV records, credit card receipts.
    Mostly I found it disheartening about her possibly leaving because it makes random abduction more likely. Given the link AE posted above, this guy's shtick to stand out as a tv guest is to ridicule others.

    I find some comfort if what he said is true that he has four private dicks in Bloomington, one of them a former Lt. Detective and head of Zodiac. A Mike Chervil or something like that. I know chervil is an herb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    A Mike Chervil or something like that. I know chervil is an herb.
    a very sage observation


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    Quote Originally Posted by holly2325 View Post
    I think your logic is solid here. An atty would only poly statements that could be interpreted as true. For example, CR would poly to "I have no memory of the evening" (he doesn't have a memory but he knows because someone told him), MB would poly to "I watched her walk out the door (doesn't say with who) and MB may also poly to "Do you want to party" (she may have also said ,CR gave me the craziest pill at Sports, you should try one) but he would leave that out. JR may poly to "I watched her round the corner"
    (could be in the back of a car or over someone's shoulder)

    I would love to see each of them give these statements under oath.

    But given all that I think the odds are higher for JR beating a poly than for him to have the patience at 4:00 in the morning to watch a barefoot girl walk to the corner.
    Thanks for the poly examples. I get it now. Another instructional moment for me.

    High odds equal low probability, yes? So you think it's more likely JR watched her than passed his poly? I think it's more likely that CR had memory loss than JR watched her.


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    I do think it is time for the family to start putting a little spotlight (pressure) on BPD. I, for one, do not think they (either BPD or the parents) know much at all, and it is probably time to at least start answering some questions publicly to get the case moving again. So I am glad that Bo is a bit critical at this juncture.
    Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. J. Lennon NYC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    Thanks for the poly examples. I get it now. Another instructional moment for me.

    High odds equal low probability, yes? So you think it's more likely JR watched her than passed his poly? I think it's more likely that CR had memory loss than JR watched her.
    No, I find it more probable that he beat a poly than that he saw LS walk to the corner. IMO the odds (for) beating a poly are better than the odds (for) watching 5 minutes while a barefoot LS walks all the way to the corner.

    There are odds for and odds against.

    And yes, I agree with you I think the odds for CR having memory loss are better than the odds for JR watching LS walk to the corner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter812 View Post
    Mostly I found it disheartening about her possibly leaving because it makes random abduction more likely. Given the link AE posted above, this guy's shtick to stand out as a tv guest is to ridicule others.

    I find some comfort if what he said is true that he has four private dicks in Bloomington, one of them a former Lt. Detective and head of Zodiac. A Mike Chervil or something like that. I know chervil is an herb.
    What is Zodiac? I do think it is time to get more experienced personnel involved.


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    What a video lol, however the man has a point, he's looking into what happened to Lauren, not how good he's gonna look at the end if he finds her, just FIND HER, period!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnalyticalExaminer View Post
    On the issue of what is a fact: We know that all three 5N POI have taken polygraphs, most or all of which were privately-administered. We don't know what they were asked, or whether they told the truth, but I think it's a good assumption that pretty much anything they have told LE they also told to the poly administrator, and that they probably were only poly'd on things that were true. Therefore, I think that we can assume it's probable that most or all of what we have heard from LE and the POI's attorneys, and perhaps also what we have heard from the POI via other parties, is true. This includes JR watching LS walk off, from wherever he did so, and CR's memory loss (though how precisely that was subject to a poly might be open to question). It is of course entirely possible that these things are not true - we're all rightly somewhat skeptical about them - and maybe even probable given the family's questioning. But for purposes of helping to figure out what happened, which I think is the purpose of this forum, I think it might benefit us to try to come up with some thoughts based on the assumption that they are, even if we might prefer for whatever reason to believe that they are not. That is my personal belief.
    I see your point, AE. I'm rather speculative by nature, but I believe we need to accept the polygraphs at this point, whether privately or LE-administered. But do you know that CR took a privately administered polygraph? I missed that somehow ... maybe I misunderstood because RS said how he should take an LE-administered one?

    It's possible to beat a polygraph, based on what I've read, but I can't see them all doing that (or one in particular, even). Also, some attorneys give polygraphs in order to gauge a client's truthfulness. I do know from the MI case I follow that holding one's breath throws a polygraph, but the polygrapher knows when a person is doing that.


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