It seems like she thinks and processes on a spatial level, taking it all in. I can't imagine ... she must be beyond exhausted. Being a Seeker will help her through, though.
She reminds me of a father in the other case I follow. He took the county I grew up in to court to get case files released. And he won. I can't see her backing down, either.
If those rules exist, then they must exist for a reason.
The camp I went to (@11 & 12 yo) did not have any drug problem but the counselors were a bit on the cool side. They were the types that just might pass around drugs if they had the opportunity. They were a bit hostile, too. One time my hiking group got lost in the woods, and we missed dinner. They gave us some cans of food, but no can opener. They didn't care that we just went hungry that night -- it was a joke to them. Lots of small similar incidents occurred. My sister fell and cut her head on a rock (but not a terribly serious injury). My parents found out from me! I wrote home that day that I had visited her in the infirmary. The counselors just weren't quite trustworthy. It is out-of-business now, probably sued out. But the camp had a wonderful rep and most people loved it and considered it "family." Go figure.
Of course, today's camps are much more lawsuit conscious, but still, should parents trust anyone who wants to take charge of their children for a prolonged period of time without any compelling reason? After all, outdoor sports are available anywhere these days. JMO: Seems likely that the "partying" started at the camp.
Walker, I'm sorry you had a negative experience at camp. Yes I know people who tried to get away with drinking and smoking pot on nights out, returning to camp and then getting fired. I just can't believe that the partying started AT camp. Parents send their kids to camp to socialize with other kids, gain independence, learn new skills, embrace the outdoors, disconnect from television, computers, video games etc. That is what compels them.
Why should parents not trust organizations that provide their kids with life skills outside the classroom? I don't understand your skepticism about camps, aside from your own experience. Sounds to me like you had some counselors that most camps would NEVER hire.
Edit: also, as far as the price tag goes many camps provide scholarships and grants for families who cannot afford to pay the price of overnight camp. I know my camp sends over 100 kids to camp every summer for free, and many more on scholarships. Camp is not only for the wealthy. I should also add that counselors do not make a lot of money, especially their first few years on staff. Not only that, but it is a 24 hour a day job with very few days off and little downtime. This is definitely a deterrent for those partying types.
Last edited by Alliecog; 09-24-2011 at 11:54 PM. Reason: Clarification
Also, unless something has changed, the Bloomington Waffle House is not like the Waffle House's you see along the Interstate. The ones with the yellow and black signs that are designed like little diners. Indiana used to have several Waffle Houses that were not at part of that 'yellow and black' chain. In fact in Indiana what most people outside of the state know as Waffle Houses were called Waffle-Steaks (probably due to a trademark issue but I'm just guessing). The Indiana Waffle Houses were usually more like a mom and pop Denny's.... for lack of a better description. And I remember them more as downtown restaurants, not located on Interstates. They were more of a relaxed setting than the hustle and bustle of the yellow and black Waffle-Steak/Waffle Houses... which is why it makes more sense that LE would take a break there late at night.
Most of the truck traffic that is passing thru the Bloomington area would bypass downtown and stay on 'new' 37. And there's a Steak and Shake and White Castle that would likely get any trucking business.
Let me add that while I don't wish to impugn the sort of camps that are being celebrated here, and did not attend one myself, I went to school with many people who did (20 years ago), and heard about a good deal of bad behavior in them.
the article in the herald times re Bo Dietle's involvement includes some pretty good response from the chief of BPD... but I'm concerned about the comments section - especially those from people saying that they've lost respect for CS/RS with their choice of PI...
I would hate to see the community turn their backs on the family...
I was thinking the same thing, Jupiter!
Also, if you were taking 46 from 37 to I65 there's a Denny's at the college/walnut intersection (I assume it's still there anyway) so that would attract any out of towners looking for a quick bite on their way thru and negate them wandering up College off their path.
IOW, as AE said, College isn't likely to have much thru traffic. It's going to be more locals or trucks making deliveries (which would be regular deliveries). ...Which is not to rule out a crime of opportunity with someone from that group.
Here's another scenario along the "crime of opportunity" lines, in which all of the POI that we've heard from in the media are actually telling the truth. When I visited B-town and drove around the Smallwood/5 North block for the first time since Lauren's disappearance, like many others have said, the thing that jumped out at me immediately was all the construction. Thinking about this, here are some of my questions ...
- Who is in charge of this construction, specifically the project directly across the street from 5 North, but other areas as well?
- How does the construction company staff their jobs? Do they use company employees? Sub-contractors? Temporary workers? What kind of info would be kept on said workers?
- Could some of the people working across from 5 North have been from out of town? Other parts of the country? Illegal immigrants?
- Would any of the workers there have "rolled off" the job immediately or shortly following LS's disappearance? Did anyone suddenly quit, or get sick, or not show up on June 3? Did someone have a few days off?
What if an out-of-towner working the construction site had noticed all the cute co-eds hanging around the area and decided he wanted to "have some fun"? He could have scoped out the area, places he could lurk, planned out how he could grab someone (say, someone small and alone) and get them out of the area fast. If he's not local, someone with few connections to the area, and especially if he was done at the construction site or just had a few days off, he could have taken her anywhere and then either skipped town or returned to work on Monday.
Everybody cooperates,but nobody talks.
As far as construction workers, while anything is possible, I just don't see someone actually expecting to find a girl by herself at 4:30AM.
As far as this PI goes...this guy used to be on Don Imus' radio show in NYC all the time, and is very full of himself. I don't know of any missing people he has located, other than perhaps wayward husbands. And generally it is a good idea for a PI to ingratiate themselves with local LE, not "diss" them publicly. What's worse, is this shows that the Spierers are not feeling in synch with LE as it had appeared all these months.
Just my opinion, of course.
Bo Dietle's denigrating of local LE could be a ploy to get some of them to actually share info. He paints them as rubes, out of their league... whatever... in the media. Then, assuming there's any differences of opinion about certain POI's, evidence, or other handling of the case among those in local LE and the official party line, some might talk to Bo behind the scenes to share case info and their alternate theories in an attempt to show him they aren't all rubes.
IOW- He could be taking advantage of media and human nature trying to gain an advantage.... or he could just be a blowhard.
I believe WaffleHouse is a 24/7 operation...
Everybody cooperates,but nobody talks.
Last edited by AbbeyR; 09-25-2011 at 02:39 PM. Reason: clarity