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  1. #541
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiosityscat View Post
    I'm going to post under the 'Evidence' section, because to be honest, figuring out "where" to post under the LISK Forum(s) has become a somewhat monumental task in and of itself..(IMHO)

    Having said that, this is NOT my 1st post. Have I read every single post? H-to the -Eck NO!, I had at one point, but yeah, that was ages ago. I admit that for those who may feel the need to take me to task for (where), I have (finally/again), chosen to post this time, and/or for the (what/aka my own opinions), I am electing to post this time around..mostly repeat of what I have stated previously which is buried somewhere (& potentially multiple somewhere(S) at this point) within all this information.

    Having pointed all of this out as a caveate, here goes...

    I am a firm believer that the 'evidence', will bear out several truths, and I'll try to list as concisely as possible:
    1) That the LISK is a lone male
    2) That the LISK is someone who has easy and daily access to shoring/construction/landscaping materials in his employment so hence site preparation, new construction, pre-construction, single family, multi-family(apartments), commercial bldgs, any range estates from low end to multi-million dollar homes, to road center barrieres (even parking on medians, sides of highways, lone beaches, parking lots, lone lots of land and even wooded areas, easily and without question...or at least could easily explain away his reason for being there any day at any time; however odd.

    3)That due to said employment the likihood that he is/has been questioned for being in X place at X time, is HIGH; however, at the same time, due to his type of work/profession, even if questioned (as in stopped by LE about why he was where at any given time), LE's initial concerns were 'justified', away by the suspect, and NO Alarms were raised. As in, this person could/can/and likely DID at some point, VERY logically justify why he was in X area at X time (which was questionable); however, after his explanation, LE dismissed any suspicion they had at the time and likely did not file a report (& if did then I think any report would show up as filed under the main company's name and multiple vehicles, and not under a single individual'.
    4) This individual has access to multiple types of vehicles (car/work van AND work truck), making his movements in the area easily dismissed, along with the type of vehicles used for transport difficult to narrow down as eyewitnesses do not realize that they have seen what they have seen as they simply dismissed the vehicles as logically belonging 'there'...(with there being multiple locations and few which could not easily be explained away as having had to do with 'work')
    5) I personally believe that the LISK was forced to (relocate) the remains due to construction which was scheduled to occur on his (fairly large) property..(google map images showed massive construction occurring just after the remains were "discovered"), and considering the scope of that construction,(it is just seems extremely coinsidential), but ya never know!...

    It was things such as the discussion of the heavy grade black bag material (I'm working from memory so pardon if a bit off or not verbatim..), the burlap material, etc.. that initially lead me to look at locale business types which potentially had access to those various items, easy access to transportation, easy and explainable access to various/multiple "sites", from dump site to abduction site to lone/quiet work area to storage (temp to long-term keeping), to dismemberment and disposal (to logically needing to relocate successfully disposed bodies & why after so long would one do so if the killer was NOT interested in just the notoriety..aka there HAD to be "an IMMEDIATE & PRESSING NEED"), even if I am wrong in my own suspicions of "who", I still believe that this logic will bare out the real LISP if ppl are ruled (IN/OUT) of this criteria.
    6)I do not think that the out of state incidents must fit neatly into this as applicable; however, (for the person I looked at, it was all easily accomplisable using his, a private plane) ...(along w/there being related businesses/business reason for being, within blocks of where those incidents occured, WHEN they occurred..coincidence, maybe, as I said, I'm not sold on the out of state logic for some of the preported incidents (but that's just me, and I can not recall why I wasn't that sold on it all, but it's been yrs so I forget)..


    So, why post all this (again), because I hope someone follows the trail versus dismisses it all as an armchair sleuth...be that as it may, it is and always will be the actual on the ground detectives who will flush out the actual evidence, clues, and legitamite suspects..(my only hope is that someone picks up the breadcrumbs and follows the logic trail to the same manorville area conclusion..)..just MHO and you know what they say about those...(where I left it: I called in the points that I had but it was years later and I no longer had access to my in-depth original indepth & research,due to several dead/crashed laptops & years passing, so less "key points" vs supposition)

    Simply posting thoughts/opinions/breadcrumbs, that someone legitimate may stop to look at further, and include or dismiss ...(if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.. One can presume it is likely NOT a horse!..GOOD LUCK!)
    Check out my post under (Burlap & Forensics) #132 2/5

    When I read this post of yours I felt as though I was reading my own thoughts. Whoa!!


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    It is long island, maybe a boat?

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    Please take a look at the specs of material found at an unsolved homicide in BC and posted by Dotr in post #2. Could this material be burlap?
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...1995-Vancouver

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    Burlap and Forensics

    Quote Originally Posted by Patience View Post
    Please take a look at the specs of material found at an unsolved homicide in BC and posted by Dotr in post #2. Could this material be burlap?
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...1995-Vancouver
    Just my humble opinion (& I am certainly not a materials or fabric industry expert); however, burlap is a woven fabric consisting of interwoven threads alone. With the weight of the burlap based upon the size of the interconnected threads, and/or the size of the holes within the weaving.

    Whereas, the yellowish material specks shown in those photos do NOT strike me as at all being burlap.

    THREE THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES:

    ONE, it could be a plastic of some sort, that has the impression of burlap pressed into it from the long term contact between the two materials (plastic pressed against a burlap fabric, causing the plastic to pick up the weave pattern impression).

    TWO, and this one struck me as I looked more closely at the photos. A type of Safety (potentially reflective) Fabric. Often, Safety/Outdoor fabrics consist of a flexible plastic, that has thin woven threads pressed within the plastic itself. Giving the plastic a type of internal structure, yet allowing the light plastic to remain flexible, and sewable like a fabric, therefore, as a fabric for making clothing, outdoor gear, etc., the resulting item would have a degree of waterproofing to it, while the manufacturer doesn't incur the higher cost of other types of weather or waterproofing options (like regular clothing fabric with special chemical coatings, or using more expensive water/weather proof fabrics like gortex, etc.), making safety, water "resistant" or "proof" plastic threaded fabric a low cost option.
    To my own eyes, that is what the 'impression' or specks look to be, either the impression of safety water resistant or proof fabric (OR) an aged/weathered & therefore BRITTLE piece of that type of safety/outdoor plastic fabric.

    THIRD, A type of low cost plastic fabric (with?) and/or without the internal threading can also be found as bags for food stuff, such as a rice bag, or a potatoes, or vegetable sack. The term for it is polypropylene...and I believe Option 2 & This Option 3, can both also be used to make outdoor gear like tents, but also tarps! (Many people will be familiar with blue tarps to cover furniture when moving, etc.), Which are cheap and available at any hardware store, and also gets brittle with age & exposure to the elements.

    Could not post the image examples but do a google search for:
    1) BURLAP FABRIC IMAGE
    2) SAFETY FABRIC IMAGE (yellow or orange)+reflective and you should see what I mean (items like a 'safety vest')
    3) POLYPROPYLENE (PLASTIC) WEAVE EXAMPLE IMAGES + food industry

    ===> MY GUESS? Option 3, as a tarp would make sense; or Option 2, as safety/outdoor gear would also make logical sense.

    The TRUTH WILL OUT!, and There will be a Reckoning, in this Life or the Next!
    Last edited by curiosityscat; 09-10-2017 at 12:45 AM.
    The TRUTH WILL OUT & THERE WILL BE A RECKONING, in this Life or the Next!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburnkaren View Post
    Not sure if this is the correct forum thread to put this in but here it is: Has LISK Recommenced His Killing Again?
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1283293561759927/permalink/1426269474129001/
    I believe this is a hoax . The sundaypost.org where this story originated does not appear to be a legit site but puts out "news" that is unverifiable and area papers have no mention of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marble View Post
    I believe this is a hoax . The sundaypost.org where this story originated does not appear to be a legit site but puts out "news" that is unverifiable and area papers have no mention of this.
    I agree. I noticed that the tweet screenshot from
    Nassau County PD in the article isn't on the Nassau County PD's official twitter.
    "Intelligence, as well, is really a kind of taste: taste in ideas. (One of the facts to be reckoned with is that taste tends to develop very unevenly. It's rare that the same person has good visual taste and good taste in people and taste in ideas.)" -Susan Sontag


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    THE ASSOCIATED LINK POST, and associated body that was found on Jones Beach, was determined after a few days, to be UNRELATED to the LISK case, and unfortunately, one of domestic abuse, that culminated in her murder. I submitted to the Admin/Mod the associated posts to be removed, including the original posting of the FB link that began this issue...fyi., and my apologies for the confusion. I did check the post, and left it when I found mention of similar bia google from legtitimate media sites, although they varied slightly...a few days later, after I learned they determined the body in the suitcase at Jones Beach was unrelated, is when/why, I requested removal.

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    Not a complete hoax, there was a body, in a suitcase discovered at/off Jones Beach. (which is why I initially left it), but not completely accurate (they twisted & added some details), and a it later it was determined to be unrelated, (it turned out to be a woman killed by her long term boyfriend and said killer was/is in LE custody), which is why I requested the link(s) removal.

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    No worries, curiousitycat- I didn't realize it was a hoax either at first

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    I have been researching textiles in Ancient times and the uses of the jute plant (which burlap is made out of) in burials very interesting stuff here. Lots of it.
    . http://nyp-corp.com/blog/plant-fiber...atural-burial/

    In a green burial process, a body is not prepared with embalming fluids or other chemicals and can completely decompose and recycle naturally. The body is put in a biodegradable coffin or shroud with no concrete burial vault. These coffins and shrouds can be made from 100 percent jute mixed with natural starch and then compressed to make a strong, easily biodegradable board that resembles wood. They are suitable for cremation and burial for the eco-friendly consumer concerned about the environment.

    This too.
    Plant Fibers Like Jute, Flax and Hemp in Medical Science


    Tuesday, March 14th, 2017
    Posted in All Natural, Jute, Plant Fiber | No Comments Ľ
    Plant-based fibers such as flax, jute, and hemp are being used to engineer medical use bio-composites. The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference defines biomaterials as a natural or manufactured material that can be used for any interval of time to treat, enhance or replace a tissue, organ, or function of the body. They are used in implants and medical devices and must be compatible to interact with biological systems without rejection. As complicated as it sounds, humans have been doing this throughout history.
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    Last edited by Patience; 10-10-2017 at 07:18 AM.


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    The use of Burlap material is camouflage in the brown dense wood line. I used these Bags in the Military for a Ghillie Suit for Infantry forward observation tactics. It is easy that once the LISK placed the remains inside that they would be camo'd out of eye site.

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    Parabon should be the next step used in identifying the victims. Especially Peaches. We have no idea what she looks like. Parabon can change that. It can produce an image of what she looks like using her DNA.
    The technology can also produce an imagine of what both parents look like by using the DNA of a child.
    Last edited by deedee21; 10-19-2017 at 08:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    Parabon should be the next step used in identifying the victims. Especially Peaches. We have no idea what she looks like. Parabon can change that. It can produce an image of what she looks like using her DNA.
    The technology can also produce an imagine of what both parents look like by using the DNA of a child.
    It would be great if they put some resources toward this. Sadly, I donít think they will considering they havenít havenít done skull/face reconstructions or even released identifying factors such as Jane Doe 6ís tattoo or Asian Maleís clothing. I believe they should be putting more resources into identifying the unidentified, as that could break this case open IMO.

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