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    AS lie detector test

    From SW 11-164, page 6, lines 10-14:
    On July 13, 2011, Detectives H. Lebitski #2079 and D. Hillen #1635 interviewed Adam Shacknai. Later that same day, Detectives Lebitski and Hillen facilitated a polygraph examination of Adam Shacknai with Polygrapher Paul Redden. Redden said based on the analysis of the polygraph charts, he couldn't draw a conclusion, but felt Adam was being truthful during the examination.
    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test
    Renowned Polygrapher: Jonah Shacknai's Brother Needs To Take Another Lie Detector Test
    Posted on Sep 21, 2011 @ 12:45PM

    By Jen Heger
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    Trimarco routinely works with law enforcement to conduct lie detector tests. Trimarco said he would be willing to conduct another polygraph test of Adam Shacknai, and any other witnesses in the investigation.

    "If the test is inconclusive, as it was in this case, you state that you have no opinion, period, end of discussion. This means you run another test, with new questions. Polygraphers aren't trained to judge people's feelings, it's just not something we do, or have the capability of doing. Adam Shacknai needs to be given another polygraph test," Trimarco says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWannaKnow View Post
    From SW 11-164, page 6, lines 10-14:


    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test
    Renowned Polygrapher: Jonah Shacknai's Brother Needs To Take Another Lie Detector Test
    Posted on Sep 21, 2011 @ 12:45PM

    By Jen Heger
    Radar Legal Editor
    But SD LE's polygrapher had a hunch - or a "feeling" - that AS was being truthful. I know Southern Cali has kind of a vibe-y, new age-y rep, but lord-y, I'd hope Law Enforcement is going on more than "feelings" when drawing conclusions..........

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    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test

    AdamShacknaiPolygrapherRecommendedAnotherLieDetectorTest

    The polygrapher that gave Adam Shacknai his lie detector test, tells RadarOnline.com exclusively, that the results of the test were inconclusive, and that he recommended to the San Diego Sheriff's Department that another test be given.

    However, Paul Redden tells RadarOnline.com exclusively: "The test results from the polygraph that I gave Adam Shacknai were inconclusive, therefore, I wasn't able to form an analysis from the results of the polygraph test. Adam did not necessarily pass or fail the test. Whenever I deal with an inconclusive result, I always recommend a follow-up test. I have never been asked to do a follow-up test for Adam Shacknai.

    Law enforcement officials stated at the press conference that Adam Shacknai had passed the polygraph test.

    When contacted for comment, Jan Caldwell, Public Affairs Director for the San Diego Sheriff's Department said: "We put our evidence out there already, and we have no further comment. We won't be talking to RadarOnline, so don't waste your time calling us anymore," and then promptly hung up the phone.
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    So someone in the Sheriff's Dept. made the decision to 1) not request another polygraph test and 2) tell the public at the press conference that Adam had passed the test.

    If they felt it was a suicide, why didn't they follow up?

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    your gonna hurt their feelings...

    Quote Originally Posted by elementry View Post
    But SD LE's polygrapher had a hunch - or a "feeling" - that AS was being truthful. I know Southern Cali has kind of a vibe-y, new age-y rep, but lord-y, I'd hope Law Enforcement is going on more than "feelings" when drawing conclusions..........

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    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test

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    When contacted for comment, Jan Caldwell, Public Affairs Director for the San Diego Sheriff's Department said: "We put our evidence out there already, and we have no further comment. We won't be talking to RadarOnline, so don't waste your time calling us anymore," and then promptly hung up the phone.
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    SDPD's handling of the case went beyond being just incompetent. It shows they tried their best to cover something up and make the whole case go away.

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    Uh wow are you serious?


    I have been around police work for years, I have always assumed the poly examiner would judge results based on the machine and his expert opinion. Def news to me that this isnt the case. I do not believe in polys so I probably never paid attention.

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    OMG...this is not good. Thanks for posting.

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    All I will say about this is that I think it is REAL hinky that LE gave AS a pass on this inconclusive polygraph test. Especially considering he is the only one around that we know knows about mariners knots. No proof RZ did. And considering he was the only other person we knew to be around the place that night. Real hinky....


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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenM View Post
    SDPD's handling of the case went beyond being just incompetent. It shows they tried their best to cover something up and make the whole case go away.
    This begs for an answer to ONE word. WHY???
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    Bump for further discussion.
    However, Paul Redden tells RadarOnline.com exclusively: "The test results from the polygraph that I gave Adam Shacknai were inconclusive, therefore, I wasn't able to form an analysis from the results of the polygraph test. Adam did not necessarily pass or fail the test. Whenever I deal with an inconclusive result, I always recommend a follow-up test. I have never been asked to do a follow-up test for Adam Shacknai.


    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test

    Law enforcement officials stated at the press conference that Adam Shacknai had passed the polygraph test.

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    Other Rule observations:

    • Coronado police chief Louis Scanlon spoke to Adam Shacknai, Jonah Shacknai's brother, the only other person investigators said was on the property when Zahau died. Scanlon commiserated with him and Shacknai, who found Zahau's body, cursed, then said “I don't think my bedside manner is that bad …” Rule wrote that Scanlon found his response to be “off the wall.”
    • Investigators amassed mounds of evidence, from the mansion, guesthouse and courtyard – clothing and hair, fingerprints and DNA, knives and paintbrushes – but failed to test all of it or, she wrote, to thoroughly search all of the property's vast grounds.
    • Prominent San Diego attorney Paul Pfingst had a cozy relationship with the Sheriff's Department that could have impacted the case. The former San Diego County District Attorney was allowed behind police tape at the mansion while Zahau's body remained onsite and used an unpublished Sheriff's department phone number to reach Adam Shacknai as he was being questioned. “In 35 or more years of writing about crime scenes, I've never seen a case where a potential defense attorney or someone not actually the current prosecutor would be behind the police ribbons that early in the case,” she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielilane View Post
    Bump for further discussion.
    However, Paul Redden tells RadarOnline.com exclusively: "The test results from the polygraph that I gave Adam Shacknai were inconclusive, therefore, I wasn't able to form an analysis from the results of the polygraph test. Adam did not necessarily pass or fail the test. Whenever I deal with an inconclusive result, I always recommend a follow-up test. I have never been asked to do a follow-up test for Adam Shacknai.


    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-detector-test

    Law enforcement officials stated at the press conference that Adam Shacknai had passed the polygraph test.
    This is another huge nagging thing. Why in the world would they not have re-tested him? Why in the world was NS allowed to make excuses and not do her scheduled test? Doesn't LE have to follow a certain protocol? Follow the leads until they end? If one detective, officer, Sargent decides something must be done, isn't it done?

    Worse, is that it was glossed over, lied about. AS passed the test. Not true. MSM blaring this, and SDSO has nothing to say but to tell the Z family that they should cease and desist or they'll "open the file"?

    Smacks of wrongdoing....and maybe a cover up.

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