09-24-2011, 06:10 AM #1
UK - S/K Robert Black on trial in the '81 murder of Jennifer Cardy, 9
I started a thread at JREF on this, but it's not getting a lot of traction. I wonder what posters here think?
Robert Black is currently on trial for the murder of Jennifer Cardy in 1981. Here's the latest news report.
Fuel receipts link driver to Jennifer Cardy's murder
Black has already been found guilty of murdering three girls - Susan Maxwell in 1982, Caroline Hogg in 1983 and Sarah Harper in 1986. He was caught red-handed in 1990 in the act of trying to abduct another girl (Wikipedia quote).
Police suspected Black of the murders of Susan Maxwell, Caroline Hogg and Sarah Harper. They checked his petrol receipts and eventually charged Black with all three murders, in addition to the attempted kidnapping of a 15-year-old girl who had escaped the clutches of a man who had tried to drag her into a van in 1988.
Black stood trial at Newcastle upon Tyne Moot Hall on Wednesday 13 April 1994 and denied the charges. Having sifted through many thousands of petrol-station receipts, the prosecution was able to place him at all the scenes and show the similarities between the three killings and the kidnap of the six-year-old girl who had been rescued. Juries are not usually allowed to know of a defendant's current or past convictions, but in this case the judge allowed it.
Is this sufficient to convict beyond reasonable doubt in the case of Jennifer Cardy? (Note that they have already in effect locked him up and thrown away the key on the basis of the other cases. Practically speaking, there's no additional punishment that can be imposed.)
Rolfe.Pi still doesn't equal three even if a court rules that it does.
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM #2Registered User
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Honestly? I don't feel like I have enough information to make a judgement. It seems like he is probably guilty of a number of these killings, but I don't know enough to decide anything.
It sounds like one of those cases that I would just assume the courts are doing their job correctly.
09-25-2011, 02:19 PM #3
Black is a haunting character, but this prosecution has the "just trying to clear a case off the books" feel to it.
09-25-2011, 05:45 PM #4
I think he's as guilty as hell. However, I don't know how much of that is because of the reporting. I'm really in two minds about whether there is enough evidence to support a conviction "beyond reasonable doubt".
It's almost a statistics question. What are the odds that this guy who absolutely definitely did snatch a girl and tie her up in his delivery van, and whose job took him all over the country - just happened to be right there at the time and place the other girls were murdered, and had nothing to do with it?
I'd say slim, but it's the sort of conundrum you can be wrong about at first glance.Pi still doesn't equal three even if a court rules that it does.
09-26-2011, 07:43 PM #5
I see I'm not getting much traction on this. I think perhaps my concern is, normally a suspect's mere presence in the vicinity of a murder would not be sufficient to convict without anything else. Normally details of a suspect's other convictions would not be allowed to be before the court. The jury would not know.
In this case the details of his previous convictions, in particular the conviction for abducting his last victim, and the fact that his petrol receipts put him in the vicinity of three other similar murders are the mainstay of the prosecution case.
It's not even a habitual pattern of behaviour, like the guy who had the "bad luck" to be falsely accused of date rape several times before the pattern was allowed in evidence and he was convicted. It's just the single red-handed abduction, and then inference from the petrol receipts in all the other cases. It convinces me, but should it?
If we allow the safeguards of the legal system to be waived in this case, is this a dangerous erosion of safeguards that should not be compromised? Is it worth it, just to convict one man?Pi still doesn't equal three even if a court rules that it does.
10-27-2011, 08:26 AM #6
10-27-2011, 09:07 AM #7
Was just about to post this. He is an evil man and the coincidence is too much. I believe he did it and I hope he never sees natural daylight againEngland's dancing days are done...
10-27-2011, 09:13 AM #8
I believe there are other cases he was looked at for - can't quite remember where I read it, but Genette Tate, and another disappearance in Norfolk.
Although, Peter Tobin is perhaps a more likely candidate.
10-27-2011, 09:14 AM #9
From the Daily Mail
Black's killing spree was finally ended in 1990 when he was caught red-handed by police with a barely alive six-year-old girl hooded, bound, gagged and stuffed in a sleeping bag in the back of his van in the Scottish village of Stow.
He had sexually assaulted her moments earlier.
Black prided had himself on his encyclopaedic knowledge of the UK's road network but it was one wrong turn that proved his undoing.
The serial killer's decision to double back on himself after snatching the little girl saw him drive straight into the hands of police officers who had just been alerted to a suspected abduction.
He later described that date - Saturday July 14, 1990 - as the day 'the roof fell in'.
The terrified six-year-old was found in the back of his delivery van bound, gagged, hooded and stuffed head first into a sleeping bag. If she had remained in that state, medical experts claimed, she could have been dead within 15 minutes.
Black had sexually assaulted her in the back of his blue Ford Transit moments earlier in a lay-by beside a disused quarry two miles north on the main A7 Galashiels Road.England's dancing days are done...
10-27-2011, 03:59 PM #10
More about this excuse for a human being
"Born in 1947, near Falkirk in Scotland, Black's single mother had him fostered within weeks.
A couple in the West Highlands - the Tulips - took him in but, when they both died within 11 years, he ended up in the children's home in Falkirk where the rape attempt happened.
He was never charged with the attack, only moved to an all-boys home in Musselburgh.
He was to remain there until he was 15 and claims that, during that time, he became the victim of sexual abuse himself at the hands of a male member of staff.
It was in 1963, a year after he left the home, that he was to first face the courts.
Aged just 16, Black lured a seven-year-old girl from a playground with the promise of showing her a box of kittens - instead, she was choked into unconsciousness and violated.
Her teenage attacker left her lying in the darkness of a disused air raid shelter, but Black escaped jail and was only cautioned for lewd and libidinous behaviour.
Three years later, he was reported to the authorities for abusing the daughter of a couple he was lodging with - found guilty of three counts of indecent assault, he was sent to borstal for a year.
"I did not like getting locked up and vowed I'd never get locked up again," Black would later tell police.
He would continue to spend years involved with abusive images of children and spying on young girls at the leisure centre where he worked as a pool attendant."
More at above linkEngland's dancing days are done...
12-08-2011, 10:40 PM #11
Serial child killer Robert Black jailed over murder of Antrim girl Jennifer Cardy
10 hours ago
CONVICTED CHILD killer Robert Black has been sentenced to serve a minimum of 25 years in prison for the abduction and murder of Co Antrim schoolgirl Jennifer Cardy.
08-07-2012, 08:53 AM #12Registered User
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Hey everybody I am a newbie and this is my first post on this wonderful site.
Just thought I'd say a few things on this particular case. I live in the same country from where little Jennifer was from. My mother told me about her murder ten years ago exactly this month during the hunt for missing Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Child Murder of this kind is thankfully very rare in Northern Ireland. I'm currently researching and writing a book on this very evil individual (Robert Black) and his life and crimes.
I'm particularly looking into other crimes that he may be responsible for. In my opinion, if the full truth regarding the activities of this man ever came to light he would probably not only be the worst serial child killer in UK history but also Europe.
From my research thus far, I personally think there are another three disappearances and murders he should be considered a serious person of interest or a prime suspect. As well as these cases, there is another couple he should be seriously considered for being maybe involved in.
These cases are not only based in Great Britain but mainland Europe as well.
This man is evil personified.
01-12-2016, 05:35 PM #13
He died in prison today
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