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    SDSO...Reasons To REOPEN Rebecca's Death Investigation!! **LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION**

    This is not a thread for arguments or discussions of issues. There are threads in which to have discussions.

    This thread is to represent the information and questions that have been presented in these forum posts or in MSM, that call for the responsibility of a need for further investigation into Rebecca's death.

    This thread should be an area that allows a law enforcement officer, a family member, lawyer or other Websleuth posters/readers to see reasons and facts that for this opinion. This should not be a place for oposing opinions as we have threads for that purpose, as noted above.

    Thank you. I will take the liberty to post some previously made posts, by others. If anyone has an issue with my re-posting of their statements, please notify me and I will remove your posts!

    I feel there needs to be a place to keep this information together, as it is very important and pertinent information and may be of help to someone.
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    I give full credit to Smooth Operator, who posted this magnificent synopsis.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    - Rebecca's cell phone being forensically investigated

    - The inconsistent claim of a phonecall placed by Jonah Shacknai at 12:30am when there is no record of the call or message.

    - A court documented lie from Jonah Shacknai repeatedly stating to LE that he never left the hospital during the hours in question.. This false statement used as probable cause in an affidavit for SW of Rady's security video to verify Jonah's statement..

    - Found in a separate affidavit that Jonah changed that original statement(he'd made more than on one occasion) that he never left the hospital during the hours in question to his indeed having left the hospital around 1am and not returning to the hospital til after 7am(during those hours Rebecca's TOD along with discovery of her body occurred)

    - there being no subpoenas for the RMcDH which would be mandatory in establishing Jonah's whereabouts during this time in question since he has changed where he states that he was from the hospital to now the RMcDH.

    - there now being confirmed multiple witnesses to hearing a woman scream the night in question. ATLEAST one of those witnesses stating they attempted to tell LE of this more than once.

    - confirmed witness that saw an UNidentified female at the Shacknai mansion during the time in question

    - along with Nina's 10:41pm late night need to suddenly speak with Rebecca face to face.. When just hours prior she had been face to face with her having every opportunity in the world to discuss Max's accident as Rebecca was her ride from the airport when she arrived earlier in Coronado..

    - strangely and again inconsistent with what phone records show Nina claims the text message was over an hour earlier in the evening when she sent it.. Phone records prove it to have been 10:41pm not 9:30

    - one of the newest pieces of info to come to light that IMO I find to be the most IMPORTANT is seeing the grave mistake made by a physician on staff at Rady's Children's hospital and his mistake included stating false claims of inconsistent injuries as well as his belief that Max was suffocated
    Prior to the fall. His taking this so far as to have a pending protective order in place and LE's full involvement of these false allegations.. IMO with as far as this grave mistake was taken by this doctor including social workers and LE there is no way possible that the parents of Max were not informed of this physicians mistaken beliefs and the legal steps being taken because of those false claims and allegations.. It was only after Max's thorough autopsy which was found to have been extensive severe injury to spinal column and brain stem that his mistaken claims and allegations were 100% disproved and found to have zero basis.. Proving the fall to have been accidental as well as all injuries consistent with the magnitude of that fall.. Sadly for Rebecca this was found too little, too late!! She was already dead..

    Feel free to add to my list of info and evidence that would warrant her case being re-opened and thoroughly investigated.
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    Thank you defense, very telling information, imho:

    Quote Originally Posted by defense101 View Post
    Hmmm reading search warrants again..... LE didn't request the hospital video surveillance video until the 24th of august. wtf is that all about what freaking investigating did they do until August 24th when they needed evidence to prove suicide???
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    According to Dr. Wecht, this exact point is true!

    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    Per blunt force trauma to the top of Rebecca's head ...

    Seems examination by an ME could determine what possibly made it and if it was enough to daze her, knock her out, etc.
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    Not the usual type of investigation techniques, from what I understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by lauriej View Post
    ..ahhh..so, they'll "just take his word for it" that he was in fact there from 1:00-7:00..

    ..and add it to their "just taking his word for it" as to what he said on the voice mail ( that was a big part of why LE says she decided to kill herself.)

    ..and they wonder why the public ( and her family ) doubts/questions SDPD???
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    To the best of my knowledge, there have been no pictures of the binding ON Rebecca released, so this has not been addressed or answered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Holmes View Post
    I wonder if you can tell if it was a right handed or left handed person that made those knots? I haven't watched the video do the knots match up EXACTLY .. left over right type thing?
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    Sorrell, I think the post is very pertinent, even without the last paragraphs!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    ITA Time.

    If the subgaleal hemorrhages were the result of RZ's head striking the balcony balusters, or the balcony supports below, or the shrubbery, or even the exterior wall of the house, there should have been evidence of those surfaces on her scalp and/or in her hair (i.e. minute paint flakes from the balcony, minute rust flakes from the balcony, plant material from the shrubbery, or particles of the surface of the exterior wall of the house), especially considering the impact of a 9'2" fall.

    If her head contacted the shrubbery, strands of her hair should have also been found in the shrubbery and/or pieces of shrubbery should have been found in her hair - again, considering the impact of a 9'2" fall.

    ETA: No materials of the above sort were noted in the AR, which leads me to believe @ this point in time that the subgaleal injuries were caused by something other than the above-noted surfaces or objects.
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    Seems like a valid and important factor to me!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CalElliot View Post
    To the Reinvestigation Reasons list, I would add that LE did not document nor release the total amount of tow rope used at the crime scene. (If the total amount is inconsistent with a standard tow rope of the same manufacturer, there's a missing piece of rope that was removed from the scene.)
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    All of these points have been brought up previously by various posters, but I needed one post to sum it up! Thank you Cal Elliott!

    Quote Originally Posted by CalElliot View Post
    Astonishing indeed. Brings me back to these three questions:

    • Why did Adam Shacknai immediately conclude that Rebecca "hung herself," as per his text to Jonah?
    • Why did Jonah Shacknai immediately accept that Rebecca "killed herself" as per his call to Dina?
    • Why did LE in turn pursue such a lop-sided investigation?


    What could cause these three things to happen in sync?

    Could the document addressed to Jonah have been a statement about Dr. Peterson's speculation about Max being suffocated? And if so, how and when did it get there? If not, what could it have been? When did LE learn about the Peterson aspects?

    That LE treated RZ body so disrespectfully because LE, however wrongly, assumed she was a child murderer, would explain (but not justify by any stretch of the imagination) some of their actions.

    Any thoughts on what else could have been in the room, planted or not, that could have been so persuasive?
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    Yippie Skipee!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CalElliot View Post
    One possibility: If it was a two-person job, one person could have propped up RZ body on the table while the other worked backwards to what turned out to be the bed to do the deed. That is, IF they used the tow rope's full uncut length, which I personally don't believe is the case. LE left out total rope length in their reports.
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    Excellent question!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I like how SD Sheriff's invoked the "Science doesn't lie" meme, yet any average middle school student could come up with more that should have been investigated.

    I would take your questions a bit further. Did the cut/frayed end of the rope over the balcony match the other end hanging down? If not, then that would suggest the stories don't match, the rope was longer, etc. If I were teaching middle school students to 'investigate' a mock up version of this, I'm afraid they would not receive passing grades for the same performance we got from LE.
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    This has been brought up multiple times, by multiple posters and we can not get an answer to this, period!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Holmes View Post
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    Expert pathologists have confirmed that Rebecca died while on her back – not from or while hanging. Lividity was fixed in her back, not in her legs or feet. Renowned pathologist Dr Cyril Wecht has reviewed the autopsy report and has concluded this is not a suicide and that she had blunt force trauma in four places on the top of her head, inconsistent with the fall and consistent with blows that could have rendered Rebecca unconscious.


    WOW... just WOW!!!! this has to re-open the case.... and the murderer is still out there and getting all this info

    Will JS cut and run for the border with all his money.... ????
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    Thank you! Good links to keep Anne Bremners statements accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by deanna82437 View Post
    Here are some links to the Dr. Drew episodes where the family attorney Anne Bremner was a guest and first spoke of RZ death occurring while she was on her back. As you can see it was early this month.

    9/06 - Dr. Drew - Guest - Anne Bremner
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../ddhln.01.html

    9/08 - Dr. Drew - Guest Anne Bremner - speaks of death came while on her back
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../ddhln.01.html
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    Again, brought up by many and never addressed by SDSO or in the PC:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharyne View Post
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    Since I do watch a lot of CSI shows and Forensic Evidence shows, I'm sure from the actual, true cases on Tru TV of Forensic Evidence shows, they now claim to be able to get finger prints from INSIDE gloves, and DNA as well.
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    Would you please be so kind as to repost your excellent post with pictures here? Thank you!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by IWannaKnow View Post
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    This is my best guess. I didn't have everything perfectly tied so the feet didn't come up as far as I thought they should have but this is what I think happened and she was cut down soon enough and laid on her back in the grass to account for the livor mortis on her back:
    Certainly fits the rigor patterns, does it not?
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