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    I had asked before a while back but don't know if anyone answered.
    Is it known if GP ever used the off road 4 wheel capabilities on her Jeep? Did she ever go off road in it...was she experienced in off road driving. Or did she literally have no real clue as to how to...
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    Are there off road trails literally coming off the mountain?

    If someone was scared that someone was following them, could they 'suddenly' veer to go off road?
    What was the weather like that day she disappeared? Was it clear, or raining & foggy?

    If someone were totally unfamiliar with off road driving, and/or the trails there, could that person literally have gotten lost...and maybe suffered an accident, gone over a cliff, or some odd occurence??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sreshowtime View Post
    I had asked before a while back but don't know if anyone answered.
    Is it known if GP ever used the off road 4 wheel capabilities on her Jeep? Did she ever go off road in it...was she experienced in off road driving. Or did she literally have no real clue as to how to...
    also-

    Are there off road trails literally coming off the mountain?

    If someone was scared that someone was following them, could they 'suddenly' veer to go off road?
    What was the weather like that day she disappeared? Was it clear, or raining & foggy?
    If someone were totally unfamiliar with off road driving, and/or the trails there, could that person literally have gotten lost...and maybe suffered an accident, gone over a cliff, or some odd occurence??
    My understanding is the weather was good on Saturday April 30th but I wasn't in town on that day.. We did have severe storms come through on the 27th though and much of the area sustained alot of damage.. Trees were down everywhere, no power for days in many areas of the city.. Signal Mtn, to my knowedge, did not receive alot of damage from the storms, but I suspect there had to be some damage on Signal Mtn..


    Personally, I cannot imagine anyone thinking they were being followed and making a decision to turn off onto one of the off road trails..JMHO..


    ETA.. Someone did come forward and claim they saw Gail on BIG FORK Road that afternoon and there was another woman with her..IMHO.. I suspect IF the person's sighting is legit Gail was not there of her own volition...JMHO..

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    In the media, we have also heard about Maria G and Alaine G.

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    This article references "about a dozen friends" including Brandie L.

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    We used to hear from several here on WS, but not anymore. Surely you remember fbx, fireflylink, MacGyver, and locals like perico and sophieness. ETA: Also Kikidee, I forgot her earlier.
    HI All,
    Some of us, Gail's friends, are still here, but what I find interesting is that because we are not heard from, some seem to take that to mean that she did not have any friends, or any close friends, other than AD? Speaking for myself, I read these posts every single day. I have a summary sent to me on a daily basis, and it's usually the last thing I do at night. I think about Gail EVERY SINGLE DAY. She was my best friend in college, we were inseparable for awhile. i was in her wedding, and she was in mine. And while it is true that we drifted apart, I still considered her a very dear friend. And I'm SURE she had many many friends like me.
    So why haven't we been heard from? Truly, what is there we can say? No one is contacting us for information, and we wouldn't have any to give. We are in the dark as much as anyone. I could, of course, comment on all the posts on here, but to what end? It is all speculation, I have no more information than any of you do.
    As for MY thoughts, I've stated them before and they haven't changed. I do not believe that Gail took off on her own. I do not believe that she would EVER EVER do that to her kids, or to her siblings. They have been through a great deal of losses in their lives, and IN NO WAY do I believe that Gail would add to that on her own. I also don't believe that she had an accident. Diane has told me that she drove up and down those roads, and would have seen a barrier hit had she done that. And I can't help but think that they would have found the car by now, had that been the case. Further, it seems extremely coincidental that something like that would happen right at the time it did, when Gail was obviously preparing for something? So what does that leave? Something foul, or nefarious? Maybe. i suppose. But I can't seem to reconcile that with the Matt that I've met. I don't claim to know him very well, we had already started to drift apart by the time he came along, but the man I met was kind and sweet. I know, people can change, and they can also be deceptive. I agree, his behaviour HAS seemed "hinky," to quote a few of you [and I love that word, btw!]. Why? Why hasn't he had the kids talk to LE? Why hasn't he made a formal statement? Why isn't he doing more to find her, although doing what, I don't know. At least LOOKING like he cares. Even if they had grown apart, even if he DOESN'T miss her, do it for the kids. But again, I don't comment on it because I DON'T know. I DON'T know why. Maybe someday we will, and I pray to God that whatever it turns out to be, those kids come out of this ok. Maybe he's afraid that if he DID have the houses searched early on, something might somehow point to him, even if he WERE completely innocent. Everyone is looking for him to be guilty anyway, so it wouldn't take much. So I'm sure he's following the advice of his lawyers, lawyers who put HIM first, as their client, and NOT Gail. Do I think it's right? No. Of course I don't. But he's not paying me to be his lawyer, he's listening to the people for whose advice he is paying. Their sole job is to protect HIM. Not Gail. Again, before I get misunderstood or misquoted somehow, let me state that I am not saying he is innocent. I am not saying he is guilty. His behaviour is hinky. But maybe he has reasons we don't know about? I too wish he would do what it takes to clear himself if he can.
    The bottom line is that Gail DID have friends, I am sure there were lots of them. And I know I am not alone in missing her. Don't mistake our silence for absence, we are here and we do care. But until there are some new leads, what can we do but keep looking and hoping and praying. Something will break.
    Sorry to go on so, I guess I had to make up for my prolonged silence!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikidee View Post
    HI All,
    Some of us, Gail's friends, are still here, but what I find interesting is that because we are not heard from, some seem to take that to mean that she did not have any friends, or any close friends, other than AD? Speaking for myself, I read these posts every single day. I have a summary sent to me on a daily basis, and it's usually the last thing I do at night. I think about Gail EVERY SINGLE DAY. She was my best friend in college, we were inseparable for awhile. i was in her wedding, and she was in mine. And while it is true that we drifted apart, I still considered her a very dear friend. And I'm SURE she had many many friends like me.
    So why haven't we been heard from? Truly, what is there we can say? No one is contacting us for information, and we wouldn't have any to give. We are in the dark as much as anyone. I could, of course, comment on all the posts on here, but to what end? It is all speculation, I have no more information than any of you do.
    As for MY thoughts, I've stated them before and they haven't changed. I do not believe that Gail took off on her own. I do not believe that she would EVER EVER do that to her kids, or to her siblings. They have been through a great deal of losses in their lives, and IN NO WAY do I believe that Gail would add to that on her own. I also don't believe that she had an accident. Diane has told me that she drove up and down those roads, and would have seen a barrier hit had she done that. And I can't help but think that they would have found the car by now, had that been the case. Further, it seems extremely coincidental that something like that would happen right at the time it did, when Gail was obviously preparing for something? So what does that leave? Something foul, or nefarious? Maybe. i suppose. But I can't seem to reconcile that with the Matt that I've met. I don't claim to know him very well, we had already started to drift apart by the time he came along, but the man I met was kind and sweet. I know, people can change, and they can also be deceptive. I agree, his behaviour HAS seemed "hinky," to quote a few of you [and I love that word, btw!]. Why? Why hasn't he had the kids talk to LE? Why hasn't he made a formal statement? Why isn't he doing more to find her, although doing what, I don't know. At least LOOKING like he cares. Even if they had grown apart, even if he DOESN'T miss her, do it for the kids. But again, I don't comment on it because I DON'T know. I DON'T know why. Maybe someday we will, and I pray to God that whatever it turns out to be, those kids come out of this ok. Maybe he's afraid that if he DID have the houses searched early on, something might somehow point to him, even if he WERE completely innocent. Everyone is looking for him to be guilty anyway, so it wouldn't take much. So I'm sure he's following the advice of his lawyers, lawyers who put HIM first, as their client, and NOT Gail. Do I think it's right? No. Of course I don't. But he's not paying me to be his lawyer, he's listening to the people for whose advice he is paying. Their sole job is to protect HIM. Not Gail. Again, before I get misunderstood or misquoted somehow, let me state that I am not saying he is innocent. I am not saying he is guilty. His behaviour is hinky. But maybe he has reasons we don't know about? I too wish he would do what it takes to clear himself if he can.
    The bottom line is that Gail DID have friends, I am sure there were lots of them. And I know I am not alone in missing her. Don't mistake our silence for absence, we are here and we do care. But until there are some new leads, what can we do but keep looking and hoping and praying. Something will break.
    Sorry to go on so, I guess I had to make up for my prolonged silence!
    I miss you every day, Gail.
    I am SO sorry for you and your beautiful friend Gail! I do not even know Gail aside from everything I have read, and I think about her every day. Thank you SO much for your post!

    I have found that there are SO many red Jeeps in my area. I see many every day, and every time I pass one - I look closely! I HIGHLY doubt that Gail would have come all the way here, but I still look because I think about her. I have found that with ALL of the Jeeps that I see every day, very very few are like Gail's Jeep.

    I am still here praying for good news about Gail. Good luck to you kikidee. {Big Hugs} to you and any of Gail's friends here reading.
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    Prayers for Gail, her children, her siblings and all her friends who are heartbroken and missing her...
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    Ruckus

    "Most of the people who are making such a ruckus and leading the search for her are total strangers."

    I knew Gail long ago. I have never posted on this site, but the word "ruckus" is so dismissive it has stuck in my head. I feel the need to say this:

    If any of you - Confused included - disappeared off the face of the earth under any circumstances, I hope people raise a hell of a ruckus until you're found.

    Damn right, a ruckus is being raised. Anyone who truly wants Gail found would join right in.

    JMHO, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolMommy View Post
    "Most of the people who are making such a ruckus and leading the search for her are total strangers."

    I knew Gail long ago. I have never posted on this site, but the word "ruckus" is so dismissive it has stuck in my head. I feel the need to say this:

    If any of you - Confused included - disappeared off the face of the earth under any circumstances, I hope people raise a hell of a ruckus until you're found.

    Damn right, a ruckus is being raised. Anyone who truly wants Gail found would join right in.

    JMHO, of course.
    Welcome to Websleuths, Cool Mommy. I am with you on the ruckus being raised for anyone who goes missing. I think it is very very important for all of us to take to heart that just because there appears to be silence from some corners of Gail's universe, doesnt mean that the trees arent being shaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolMommy View Post
    "Most of the people who are making such a ruckus and leading the search for her are total strangers."

    I knew Gail long ago. I have never posted on this site, but the word "ruckus" is so dismissive it has stuck in my head. I feel the need to say this:

    If any of you - Confused included - disappeared off the face of the earth under any circumstances, I hope people raise a hell of a ruckus until you're found.

    Damn right, a ruckus is being raised. Anyone who truly wants Gail found would join right in.

    JMHO, of course.
    Welcome, CoolMommy. I truly am sorry to disagree on your very first post, but I'm afraid I must.

    I've followed many missing person cases, and I know many family members and friends of missing persons.

    Some people in these cases have engaged in bad behavior. Sometimes that bad behavior has interfered in cases, or seemed to interfere in cases. Sometimes it certainly seems to hinder and delay finding out what happened to the missing person, because the focus is drawn away *from* the missing person and their plight, and *to* those raising the ruckus.

    Further, the bad behaviors cause stress and pain to so many family members who already are suffering so. I've seen - and talked with - suffering family members who've had to 'go quiet' and withdraw from the public and the media because the stress of dealing with the ruckuses was just too much for them to cope with.

    So I just can't agree that ruckuses in missing person cases are good things, or that anyone who truly wants a missing person found would join right in. They just have always seemed to me to take focus away from the missing person, and constructive efforts to figure out what happened to them, and to find them.

    Not creating ruckuses, and avoiding those that are created by others, keeping focused on the missing person, helping family members in their constructive efforts, etc, to me, is the best thing one can do if one truly wants a missing person found.

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    Unfortunately, in my honest opinion, there hasn't been enough ruckus raised in this case. I wish to high heaven that the national media would report on Gail at least once a week. I wish that many unsolved missing person cases would be highlighted more frequently. I wonder WHY Gail's case has been so quiet. I wish that someone would shake LE's tree and see why they haven't pursued a higher priority investigation. JMHO and all that ruckus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Welcome, CoolMommy. I truly am sorry to disagree on your very first post, but I'm afraid I must.

    I've followed many missing person cases, and I know many family members and friends of missing persons.

    Some people in these cases have engaged in bad behavior. Sometimes that bad behavior has interfered in cases, or seemed to interfere in cases. Sometimes it certainly seems to hinder and delay finding out what happened to the missing person, because the focus is drawn away *from* the missing person and their plight, and *to* those raising the ruckus.

    Further, the bad behaviors cause stress and pain to so many family members who already are suffering so. I've seen - and talked with - suffering family members who've had to 'go quiet' and withdraw from the public and the media because the stress of dealing with the ruckuses was just too much for them to cope with.

    So I just can't agree that ruckuses in missing person cases are good things, or that anyone who truly wants a missing person found would join right in. They just have always seemed to me to take focus away from the missing person, and constructive efforts to figure out what happened to them, and to find them.

    Not creating ruckuses, and avoiding those that are created by others, keeping focused on the missing person, helping family members in their constructive efforts, etc, to me, is the best thing one can do if one truly wants a missing person found.
    IMHO..The ONLY people who could possibly be hindering or delaying finding out what may have really happend to Gail are MP, his mother and his mistress... For certain they are not causing any ruckus in order to find out what happened to her.. ...JMHO..

    ETA.. And due to their non actions concerning Gail's disappearance I suspect they are causing quite alot of stress and pain to Gail's children too...JMHO...
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    Thanks, BeanE, for sharing your experience. Yes, I thought as I was walking away from my desk that there's good ruckus (productive) and bad ruckus (distracting). Point taken.

    IMO, most ruckus is advocacy = the good kind. It keeps MPs like Gail from being forgotten.

    Also: People like LE get paid to ignore distractions. The really good posters on WS, the ones who never get banned and don't need reminders, don't get distracted by the bad. They ignore the bad and keep the advocacy alive for finding Gail.

    I have to believe LE is working on this case. I have to believe Gail's family is making their own ruckus, behind the scenes.

    Those of us who have little to contribute other than our interest and ideas are nonetheless advocates for finding Gail. This is our way of making a ruckus.

    And it should not be dismissed.

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    Sorry for the double post!
    Told ya I'm new to the whole posting thingie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Welcome, CoolMommy. I truly am sorry to disagree on your very first post, but I'm afraid I must.

    I've followed many missing person cases, and I know many family members and friends of missing persons.

    Some people in these cases have engaged in bad behavior. Sometimes that bad behavior has interfered in cases, or seemed to interfere in cases. Sometimes it certainly seems to hinder and delay finding out what happened to the missing person, because the focus is drawn away *from* the missing person and their plight, and *to* those raising the ruckus.

    Further, the bad behaviors cause stress and pain to so many family members who already are suffering so. I've seen - and talked with - suffering family members who've had to 'go quiet' and withdraw from the public and the media because the stress of dealing with the ruckuses was just too much for them to cope with.

    So I just can't agree that ruckuses in missing person cases are good things, or that anyone who truly wants a missing person found would join right in. They just have always seemed to me to take focus away from the missing person, and constructive efforts to figure out what happened to them, and to find them.

    Not creating ruckuses, and avoiding those that are created by others, keeping focused on the missing person, helping family members in their constructive efforts, etc, to me, is the best thing one can do if one truly wants a missing person found.

    I dont disagree with Bean E's post, but I want to put a slightly different spin on it from my perspective-any publicity is good publicity in a missing persons case. I firmly believe that.

    However, anything that is said or done which compromises the investigation, obstructs it or misleads investigators is appalling from where I sit. FWIW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    IMHO..The ONLY people who could possibly be hindering or delaying finding out what may have really happend to Gail are MP, his mother and his mistress... For certain they are not causing any ruckus in order to find out what happened to her.. ...JMHO..

    ETA.. And due to their non actions concerning Gail's disappearance I suspect they are causing quite alot of stress and pain to Gail's children too...JMHO...
    BBM. We dont know that anyone is actually hindering it, although I get your point. I dont think it is fair to imply Matt's mother is a subject of the investigation, and I dont believe that anything so far shows that she has hindered it except that she hired a lawyer as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolMommy View Post
    Thanks, BeanE, for sharing your experience. Yes, I thought as I was walking away from my desk that there's good ruckus (productive) and bad ruckus (distracting). Point taken.

    IMO, most ruckus is advocacy = the good kind. It keeps MPs like Gail from being forgotten.

    Also: People like LE get paid to ignore distractions. The really good posters on WS, the ones who never get banned and don't need reminders, don't get distracted by the bad. They ignore the bad and keep the advocacy alive for finding Gail.

    I have to believe LE is working on this case. I have to believe Gail's family is making their own ruckus, behind the scenes.

    Those of us who have little to contribute other than our interest and ideas are nonetheless advocates for finding Gail. This is our way of making a ruckus.

    And it should not be dismissed.
    Thanks, CoolMommy.

    I came away wondering if it's a matter of the understanding each of us posting about this have of the word ruckus. My understanding is that it means something negative.

    I am very definitively for strong, positive, constructive, advocacy that focuses on the missing person, figuring out what happened to them, and getting credible information about their story out. I wonder if that's perhaps what some people have in mind. For me, I don't think of that as a ruckus, because that is not what my concept of a ruckus is.

    I think you and I are actually in agreement on the concept.

    I too am convinced that LE, as well as Gail's family, are working hard on Gail's case, in strong, positive, constructive ways, and I support them 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    I dont disagree with Bean E's post, but I want to put a slightly different spin on it from my perspective-any publicity is good publicity in a missing persons case. I firmly believe that.

    However, anything that is said or done which compromises the investigation, obstructs it or misleads investigators is appalling from where I sit. FWIW.
    I'm going to have to disagree, believe. I don't think publicity that takes focus off the missing person and figuring out what happened to them is helpful, and I think it is hurtful and a hindrance in many way.

    But... we can agree to disagree, and I respect your opinion.

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    BBM. We dont know that anyone is actually hindering it, although I get your point. I dont think it is fair to imply Matt's mother is a subject of the investigation, and I dont believe that anything so far shows that she has hindered it except that she hired a lawyer as well.
    I don't think it's fair to say that hiring an attorney shows that someone has hindered an investigation.

    People hire attorneys in missing person cases for all kinds of reasons, and we are not privy to those reasons.

    A couple examples. Sometimes people just want their questions answered about the process LE is following. Sometimes people have been harassed and are seeking protection from that harassment and to try to put a stop to it.

    We don't know why Matt's mother retained an attorney. It may not even have had anything to do with this case. To say it shows she's hindered the investigation because she hired an attorney is unfair, IMO.

    Again, we'll have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I don't think it's fair to say that hiring an attorney shows that someone has hindered an investigation.

    People hire attorneys in missing person cases for all kinds of reasons, and we are not privy to those reasons.

    A couple examples. Sometimes people just want their questions answered about the process LE is following. Sometimes people have been harassed and are seeking protection from that harassment and to try to put a stop to it.

    We don't know why Matt's mother retained an attorney. It may not even have had anything to do with this case. To say it shows she's hindered the investigation because she hired an attorney is unfair, IMO.

    Again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
    BBM..Yes IMHO.. We will have to agree to disagree...JMHO
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    FWIW, an INNOCENT person who hires an attorney, will STILL talk to LE and tell them everything they know and they'll turn over ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that can assist in finding their loved one,................INCLUDING all electronic forms such as COMPUTERS!

    They do NOT give it to their criminal defense attorney.

    just sayin'
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    PS...one must admit, IMHO, that the mistress hiring a criminal defense attorney looks a little 'hinky' as well.

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    However, anything that is said or done which compromises the investigation, obstructs it or misleads investigators is appalling from where I sit. FWIW.
    Agreed. Let me preface my next statement by saying this is entirely my opinion: Unfortunately, it seems like in Gail's case there are people -- maybe some of those "complete strangers" we were talking about yesterday -- who want to insert themselves into the case for their own reasons. We're often being asked to value the opinion of said complete strangers much more highly than we are the opinions of Gail's friends and relatives who speak out with such obvious and real concern, who have real information.

    The biggest example I can think of is MP's attorneys putting out hearsay and gossip about Gail in their quest to defend their client. And before I'm asked yet again for a link, I'm referring to the "flat f----d up" quote and the info given Jammer Scott. But there are also lesser examples, which I admit concern me just as much.

    Like I posted yesterday with all those links, from the beginning people were claiming Gail's relatives and friends didn't want any help which must mean something. Here we are, coming up on 6 months since Gail disappeared, and we're still arguing about it.

    I absolutely do not understand why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorias View Post
    Agreed. Let me preface my next statement by saying this is entirely my opinion: Unfortunately, it seems like in Gail's case there are people -- maybe some of those "complete strangers" we were talking about yesterday -- who want to insert themselves into the case for their own reasons. We're often being asked to value the opinion of said complete strangers much more highly than we are the opinions of Gail's friends and relatives who speak out with such obvious and real concern, who have real information.

    The biggest example I can think of is MP's attorneys putting out hearsay and gossip about Gail in their quest to defend their client. And before I'm asked yet again for a link, I'm referring to the "flat f----d up" quote and the info given Jammer Scott. But there are also lesser examples, which I admit concern me just as much.

    Like I posted yesterday with all those links, from the beginning people were claiming Gail's relatives and friends didn't want any help which must mean something. Here we are, coming up on 6 months since Gail disappeared, and we're still arguing about it.

    I absolutely do not understand why.
    I will ALWAYS suspect soon-to-be or just-barely SO or spouse when a person suddenly goes missing. However, my "hinky" meter gets even higher when said ex does nothing significant to help find the missing person. The meter rises even HIGHER when said ex hires an attorney before any charges are even brought against them. Sorry, but that is just the way I roll. I can't change this; and I can't change how many times my instincts are correct and said ex is eventually (sooner or later) charged.
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    I've watched many cases here on Websleuths through the years. I've also reviewed 'cold cases.'

    IMHO, when you have a person in an alledged abusive relationship, who was in the process of severing her relationship with the alledged abuser, and has gone to the trouble Gail had gone to insure herself and children a safe place and sufficient funds to survive, they had been in contact with a NUMBER of people outside the home who were aware of their plight and their plan to leave the relationship, and she ends up missing without a trace and leaving children behind with the alleged abuser,........ IF the VICTIM never gives any sign of being still alive (like calling one of their trusted friends/family), ends up either dead, or the case goes unsolved until ......................

    I'm not meaning to be so blunt, but this is a pattern, unfortunately.

    JMHO
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    PS......I was researching domestic abuse recently, and I saw one thing mentioned I'd never thought of before, but it's oh sooooo true. Not only would Gail have NOT left her children behind, she would NOT have left her dog(s). Her dog(s) that we know she'd had with her and the kids when she went to the lake that last night. NOT leave kids, NOT leave dogs.

    Pets are one of the things that get abused in an abusive relationship. I never thought of that before. But then it reminded me of a friend who's abuser tried to drown her dog. She saved the dog's life and not a night or two later, the dog returned the favor. Her abuser snapped and seriously, tried to kill her, but the dog attacked him! Yes! He went straight to jail, did not pass go, and stayed there for a year!


    PPS......How do I come to the conclusion Gail was in an abusive relationship? By THREE 911 calls and LE giving her the # of an abuse hotline! fran


    PPPS.....sorry, one last time.............about the attorney saying that about the friend who said she was all 'f'd up!'.................One difficulty abuse victims have is getting some people to believe them about the abuse. It can be detrimental to the victim. Someone they trusted turns on them and takes the side of the abuser!? Abusers often times are very good at what they do, keeping the problems, Gail not doing what he wants to do until he has to force her! They sound sincere on the outside, but do NOT get them behind that closed door! What goes on in their marriage, stays in their marriage! IMHO, that's what MP MAY have meant when he said something like "You're messing things up." to AD, when she wouldn't be quiet about GP's disappearance.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    I've watched many cases here on Websleuths through the years. I've also reviewed 'cold cases.'

    IMHO, when you have a person in an alledged abusive relationship, who was in the process of severing her relationship with the alledged abuser, and has gone to the trouble Gail had gone to insure herself and children a safe place and sufficient funds to survive, they had been in contact with a NUMBER of people outside the home who were aware of their plight and their plan to leave the relationship, and she ends up missing without a trace and leaving children behind with the alleged abuser,........ IF the VICTIM never gives any sign of being still alive (like calling one of their trusted friends/family), ends up either dead, or the case goes unsolved until ......................

    I'm not meaning to be so blunt, but this is a pattern, unfortunately.

    JMHO
    fran

    PS......I was researching domestic abuse recently, and I saw one thing mentioned I'd never thought of before, but it's oh sooooo true. Not only would Gail have NOT left her children behind, she would NOT have left her dog(s). Her dog(s) that we know she'd had with her and the kids when she went to the lake that last night. NOT leave kids, NOT leave dogs.

    Pets are one of the things that get abused in an abusive relationship. I never thought of that before. But then it reminded me of a friend who's abuser tried to drown her dog. She saved the dog's life and not a night or two later, the dog returned the favor. Her abuser snapped and seriously, tried to kill her, but the dog attacked him! Yes! He went straight to jail, did not pass go, and stayed there for a year!


    PPS......How do I come to the conclusion Gail was in an abusive relationship? By THREE 911 calls and LE giving her the # of an abuse hotline! fran


    PPPS.....sorry, one last time.............about the attorney saying that about the friend who said she was all 'f'd up!'.................One difficulty abuse victims have is getting some people to believe them about the abuse. It can be detrimental to the victim. Someone they trusted turns on them and takes the side of the abuser!? Abusers often times are very good at what they do, keeping the problems, Gail not doing what he wants to do until he has to force her! They sound sincere on the outside, but do NOT get them behind that closed door! What goes on in their marriage, stays in their marriage! IMHO, that's what MP MAY have meant when he said something like "You're messing things up." to AD, when she wouldn't be quiet about GP's disappearance.......
    You said what I had been trying to convey - only much more eloquently! Thank you!
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